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phleshdef

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230. Hey thats cool, but I'm still voting for Bernie Sanders in the Ohio primary.

Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:40 AM

Jun 2015

I remember a guy named Obama who was in this position once. I didn't think he had a chance in hell, but he was my candidate. I said to myself then what I am saying now... if its Hillary Clinton in the general, then I'm on team Hillary all the way. I am not the biggest fan. I believe wherever there are Clintons, there is unnecessary drama and I don't believe she is entirely honest sometimes. But her against any given Republican, shit, I'll be wearing her face on my chest and putting her signs on my lawn.

Thats what I said in 2008... but then something unexpected happened and Obama became the Democratic nominee. So who knows, maybe Bernie will pull another upset. I've no ill will toward Hillary Clinton and I believe she'd be a decent President... but Bernie is who I support in my heart and I'm voting my heart.

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Newest PPP poll out today has Hillary gaining momentum on all Dem candidates. [View all] JaneyVee Jun 2015 OP

How dare you post this positive news about Hillary! hrmjustin Jun 2015 #1

How dare you post this positive news about Hillary (REDUX) DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #2

How dare you post this positive news about Hillary (once more with FEELING!) calimary Jun 2015 #49

How dare you post this positive news about Hillary! It means nothing. AlbertCat Jun 2015 #119

Hillary Only Candidate That Can't Beat Bush billhicks76 Jun 2015 #128

Please post a link to the poll leftynyc Jun 2015 #146

That's Because You're Making Opinions Based On Early Polls billhicks76 Jun 2015 #185

And you think THIS country leftynyc Jun 2015 #191

You're Naive And Insulting billhicks76 Jun 2015 #204

I Agree About Supreme Court billhicks76 Jun 2015 #205

Pro choice, pro gay rights, leftynyc Jun 2015 #206

Ah. The old if you don't take this evil we give a worse evil billhicks76 Jun 2015 #212

Spare me the hysteria leftynyc Jun 2015 #213

LOL treestar Jun 2015 #3

Maybe PPP (D) is a Republican pollster DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #5

It is a conspiracy by the Clinton Foundation! hrmjustin Jun 2015 #6

I really liked DU, but I am beginning to believe that it lacks balance. olegramps Jun 2015 #35

It is sad that the attacks have increased and they make DU suck. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #38

Oh you must be talking about the 11 commandment of the Rupublicon Patry. Historic NY Jun 2015 #39

And we NEED that here. calimary Jun 2015 #75

I feel same as you calimary. lovemydog Jun 2015 #108

What's hard is how much zentrum Jun 2015 #113

Not quite it. calimary Jun 2015 #138

I don't see that at all leftynyc Jun 2015 #148

Correct my thinking here: My problem with this approach is it mirrors media's 'horse race' meme... freshwest Jun 2015 #214

I'm not really understanding your question leftynyc Jun 2015 #235

Honestly...no one is shutting you down or wants to eliminate the Primary process Sheepshank Jun 2015 #231

Yeah. It's noticeable. calimary Jun 2015 #67

No, it wasn't, and it led to more deaths in Vietnam and Cambodia. Is it the same non-voters now? n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #215

I remember well remember this because I am 76 years young. olegramps Jun 2015 #240

There is a relatively quiet Clinton fan base, OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #116

drawn together by their hatred of her. AlbertCat Jun 2015 #120

Hillary is starting to talk the Bernie talk..... Pauldg47 Jun 2015 #123

This is typical for election season. "The republicans remain dedicated to their cause of getting still_one Jun 2015 #133

This message was self-deleted by its author AlbertCat Jun 2015 #118

That's Positive? billhicks76 Jun 2015 #127

Negatives will be found in these positives quite soon..... CherokeeDem Jun 2015 #4

My God, she's not even at 90%! joeybee12 Jun 2015 #9

Oh noes!!!! CherokeeDem Jun 2015 #10

She will LOSE until she's sworn in... If she is. The alternative is unbearable for some of us. freshwest Jun 2015 #216

FYI....PPP was the most accurate pollster the last presidential election cycle: Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #7

That's even better news. Thanks for that. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #43

It's the one used by Obama. n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #217

FYI....PPP was the most accurate pollster the last presidential election cycle: AlbertCat Jun 2015 #121

Well, that calls it..... daleanime Jun 2015 #8

DU rec... SidDithers Jun 2015 #11

+1 LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #88

Faith Militant!!... SidDithers Jun 2015 #98

Political version of The Tortoise and the Hare or David and Goliath. Cool! nc4bo Jun 2015 #12

As a Hillary supporter, I an not going to gloat at this news. Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #13

Same here ... we've got a long BlueMTexpat Jun 2015 #29

Well, it's not as though she's never faced it before. calimary Jun 2015 #90

Bernie peaked too soon! DCBob Jun 2015 #14

Hey Bob, you old corporatist, Turd Way, warmongering, Bernie hater...you! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #45

LOL! DCBob Jun 2015 #96

Bernie's a great novelty candidate. AlbertCat Jun 2015 #124

Actually, he's a "Democratic Socialist" or so we're told. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #144

he's a "Democratic Socialist" AlbertCat Jun 2015 #147

Thinking of moving? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #153

Thinking of moving? AlbertCat Jun 2015 #154

I just figured if you wanted to take advantage of those European niceties, you might be leaving us. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #157

Interesting paragraph; hrmjustin Jun 2015 #15

Yes.. Do we need any further evidence Hillary is our best candidate to win in the general? DCBob Jun 2015 #21

Not for me. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #23

Yes. That's the whole point of the primary election. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #129

Ye Gods ... I cannot understand BlueMTexpat Jun 2015 #31

Scott Walker must be stopped from getting the nomination! yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #36

Yeah, no kidding. calimary Jun 2015 #92

Interesting sentence, within a paragraph ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #72

Maybe. i tend to think Castro of TX will be on the ticket. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #85

Not a bad choice, either. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #94

This would be good because strategically, it sets him up as the most eligible Latino calimary Jun 2015 #102

True! Plus we need a regionally diverse ticket. freshwest Jun 2015 #218

She's a name and money juggernaut, no doubt about it. morningfog Jun 2015 #16

unsurprisingly she got a bump from her announcement speech cali Jun 2015 #17

I agree with a lot of what you wrote, but I still think Bernie can win the nomination peacebird Jun 2015 #54

I agree n/t MissDeeds Jun 2015 #61

Damn straight! Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #77

What are the odds Bernie will lose the general if nominated? LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #63

Exactly 0%. Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #79

99.9%. He's polling even with GOP candidates in California of all places stevenleser Jun 2015 #117

Negative. That's because people don't know Bernie yet. He's the real deal. Most will see that. nt stillwaiting Jun 2015 #194

They know him enough. He's tied in CA with GOP. His nomination would produce an electoral disaster. stevenleser Jun 2015 #201

No THEY don't. Political junkies in CA do though. THEY will know him soon enough. stillwaiting Jun 2015 #203

Just about 100% leftynyc Jun 2015 #156

Seriously? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #164

This isn't 1972 Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #193

"Vindicated"? Was McGovern sworn in "just 2 years later"? How did I miss that? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #199

Um, ever hear of "Watergate"? Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #207

How did "Watergate" change the outcome of an election held two years prior? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #208

I'll just drop this here. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #167

Might as well let sleeping dogs lie. I will go by what she is saying now and not what she said then. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #172

No surprise there LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #180

But you previously said you wouldn't vote for her if she's the nominee Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #190

"The lack of racial diversity in New Hampshire" DCBob Jun 2015 #18

I think Bernie needs to address this issue much more urgently. Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #22

So would Bernie be taking just trying to be upaloopa Jun 2015 #27

Vermont Vines?????????? karynnj Jun 2015 #62

So do I ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #89

What issue? Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #25

Item 3. DCBob Jun 2015 #26

No. It is not possible. I keep telling you guys that, and I get ridiculous retorts of "do you speak Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #51

I know exactly what you mean. DCBob Jun 2015 #106

The Clintons have Soooooooooooo been forgiven for any perceived slights from 8 years ago. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #151

I am not that far decided ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #174

Bernie's not an option for me. Not after this stunt: Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #198

I disagree ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #173

I dont see him able to change his style which seems to me will turn off not just AA voters but.. DCBob Jun 2015 #175

I get that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #177

Sure that makes sense for someone like you who is very tuned in to politics.. DCBob Jun 2015 #179

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #181

Exactly. DCBob Jun 2015 #182

True; but, it extends beyond the Bernie camp. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #183

yes.. agreed. DCBob Jun 2015 #184

Fatal mistake indeed. It's where the educated white "limousine liberal" & the rest of us part ways. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #209

Another term would be the "intellectual liberals". DCBob Jun 2015 #210

In 2008, Hillary came up against something brand new. A fresh faced, oratorically gifted, skilled Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #211

I understand some very complicated stuff... More than those who talk down to me. That's dumb. n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #223

I agree with most of this ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #237

+1. Isn't it awful? I was hoping to get 'up there' with 'em at one time. Fat chance... n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #222

our, collective, delusion that arguments and facts will always win the day AlbertCat Jun 2015 #188

Yes! That is exactly what I said ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #195

That's what drove me away: freshwest Jun 2015 #221

Alcoholics Anonymous? AlbertCat Jun 2015 #125

Good luck with that! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #152

Not if he continuously, and consciously, avoids talking to us. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #176

Not if he continuously, and consciously, avoids talking to us. AlbertCat Jun 2015 #187

Are you implying that Bernie is "continuously, and consciously" ignoring black people? U4ikLefty Jun 2015 #219

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #236

I've also seen this. Also people that are white, immigrant and black men and women and apolitical, freshwest Jun 2015 #220

I have to admit, I am more than a little baffled why black voters LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #32

8-years ago is a lifetime ago yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #37

I guess that's true LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #47

2008? Really? This is what happened in 2012, and this is what we remember now. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #57

Well first, I didn't think Bill was running this time around LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #60

So, essentially, you thought we'd still be holding a grudge from 8 years ago? Truth be told... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #71

Somewhat, yes. LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #76

We loved Bill Clinton before his dumb remarks, and like most wounds, time is a healer. nt Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #91

Understood. And let me say that I don't believe Hillary or Bill are racist, not even LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #105

And you're certainly entitled, but it's sad that you haven't moved on like the majority of us. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #141

And by the way, that was undoubtedly the best political speech, by far, I've ever witnessed LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #110

It was a peach of a speech, and probably helped tremendously in Obama's reelection efforts. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #142

That was at the 2012 DNC, no? I can post it... n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #226

Yup. It was his DNC speech. ACA was under assault (as usual), and it took the "Explainer In Chief" Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #229

Agreed on the 'her more rabid supporters.' That's what turned me off then and can still turn me off. freshwest Jun 2015 #224

Some of US heaven05 Jun 2015 #104

As I said, we remember, but average voters don't yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #112

Everyone will remember TM99 Jun 2015 #234

They think Bernie is a Republican or a communist. Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #81

No ... We think he is not speaking to us ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #103

His proposals will lift everyone up - can't you see that? Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #130

His proposals is right upaloopa Jun 2015 #137

Well, thats complete bs as far as I'm concerned. Hillary=Progressive???? Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #145

Thanks for making my exact point ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #161

Take care, man. I appreciate your contributions to DU. Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #171

I think she and Bill have been forgiven by most AA voters.. DCBob Jun 2015 #126

I don't think it's black voters per se... MellowDem Jun 2015 #132

Jinx. I should have read your comment before I posted downthread. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #46

Time will tell --- and I for one am already bored of this meme karynnj Jun 2015 #55

Despite the optics of both events, what don't you get about 83%? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #59

I have posted very very often that I think Clinton will be the nominee karynnj Jun 2015 #69

"Pretty white" and "exclusively white" are two very different animals, but I think you know that. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #87

The Burlington event was not exclusively white -- I know I was there karynnj Jun 2015 #101

I saw a black cameraman, is that what you mean? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #139

No, there were minorities in the audience - whether you saw them or not karynnj Jun 2015 #149

Great. Thanks. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #155

I AM not Black... yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #225

And more power to you. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #227

Lets see Bernie do a campaign event in South Carolina and see how many AAs show up. DCBob Jun 2015 #107

He'll be in SC June 21st. joshcryer Jun 2015 #189

It isn't a problem... MellowDem Jun 2015 #136

She won't "slime" Bernie... no need. DCBob Jun 2015 #162

What about his "nature" is it... MellowDem Jun 2015 #165

An old white jewish guy from VT who calls himself a socialist... DCBob Jun 2015 #170

Clinton is an old white Christian gal from Chicago suburbs... MellowDem Jun 2015 #186

Hillary and Bill have earned their creds with AA voters. DCBob Jun 2015 #192

That's why she's won in 2008? MellowDem Jun 2015 #196

She nearly won despite the campaign mistakes. DCBob Jun 2015 #197

Bernie's "dog whistle" came in the form of seeking a primary opponent for the first AA president. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #232

That's a dog whistle? MellowDem Jun 2015 #238

To all of Bernie's "disillusioned" white fanbase it sure as hell was a dog whistle. Fortunately, Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #239

Let's see what the polls say 10 months from now. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #19

Anything to keep up the denial upaloopa Jun 2015 #28

I want to see them on the same stage - answering the same questions Plucketeer Jun 2015 #41

+100000000000000000000000 Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #82

I'm sure she got a bump from the content free speech over the weekend Doctor_J Jun 2015 #20

Yes she really has nothing of content in her upaloopa Jun 2015 #97

They've cornered the market on "cool" LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #134

I'm not sure why you're so testy since I said your corporatist DINO is going to win Doctor_J Jun 2015 #159

Because you like it so much. upaloopa Jun 2015 #160

Nice, but not bragging here. Beacool Jun 2015 #24

I think that Obama's youth was also a big factor of his appeal. nt lunamagica Jun 2015 #52

That too. Beacool Jun 2015 #56

LOL Iliyah Jun 2015 #30

IE: Near 100 percent chance of another corporate President... MellowDem Jun 2015 #33

... MattSh Jun 2015 #34

Vote for the Dem Candidate DownriverDem Jun 2015 #40

My vindication is contained within this Money Quote: Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #42

Fun fact... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #68

I realize it's going to be tough to hold the WH for a third term, but I think HRC is the only Dem... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #73

Only if she can hold the Obama Coalition together and she's off to a great start. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #83

Trust me, the coalition will be there. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #95

Then she wins... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #100

We're not haters�! LOL!! BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #44

Good for her, leading so early. Let's see if she has staying power. n/t Avalux Jun 2015 #48

Reality cannot overcome the Bern!!!!! MohRokTah Jun 2015 #50

Reality today will not be reality a year from now. Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #86

Keep on dreaming. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #111

It's called reality - I think you're the one enjoying the daydream. Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #131

Get back to me if Berne ever breKs 25 points nationally MohRokTah Jun 2015 #135

I probably won't remember by then, but I'm sure you'll find out about it. Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #143

. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #150

Isn't it nice to end things with a good belly laugh! Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #169

I've maintained all along that Bernie will peak somewhere between 20%-23%. It's funny because.... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #233

k&R. Good news.nt lunamagica Jun 2015 #53

Yes, but she can't speak well and is into slaughtering people. zappaman Jun 2015 #58

She's also now a BILLIONAIRE, and her supporters are murderers, which R B Garr Jun 2015 #65

Her net worth is nowhere near a BILLION. zappaman Jun 2015 #70

I forgot the sarcasm thingie, but I did see someone call her a BILLIONAIRE. R B Garr Jun 2015 #78

Ha! zappaman Jun 2015 #80

It is lulz. R B Garr Jun 2015 #99

Yeah, but ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #64

Good thing I wasn't drinking juice when I read that upaloopa Jun 2015 #84

Do you mind putting a warning on your posts. There is coffee all over my monitor! leftofcool Jun 2015 #158

ALL of them? Really? Atman Jun 2015 #66

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #109

IMO, the main reason Bernie's numbers are good in NH is the proximity to VT Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2015 #74

Are You Sure These #s Are Right??? Gamecock Lefty Jun 2015 #93

Bet you a billion dollars .... Pauldg47 Jun 2015 #114

I'm more worried by how she's going to do in a general election. I want a Democrat to win. octoberlib Jun 2015 #115

The minority vote is for hillary captainarizona Jun 2015 #122

Minor bump due to the announcement. Motown_Johnny Jun 2015 #140

I've always said the debates are make or break. joshcryer Jun 2015 #163

Woohoo! Hill the Burn! eom tarheelsunc Jun 2015 #166

When is the national primary? CanadaexPat Jun 2015 #168

There are no national primaries , of course, but this augurs well for her when ... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #200

Empirical data and evidence instead of emotional and wishful thinking? Sancho Jun 2015 #178

How does this have so many comments? JaneyVee Jun 2015 #202

Glad to see you dropped your "Bernie Sanders for President, fuck yeah" sig line. merrily Jun 2015 #228

Hey thats cool, but I'm still voting for Bernie Sanders in the Ohio primary. phleshdef Jun 2015 #230