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Shamash

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55. Yes, and the story was pretty soundly debunked on any number of grounds

Fri Jun 19, 2015, 09:10 AM

Jun 2015

The most obvious of which is that the interval chosen for the study just coincidentally matched the premise. Shift the interval or change it, and you could draw the exact opposite conclusion from the exact same data (go look at the graphs in the study and see for yourself).

Another point is that cities like Hartford were simultaneously doing anti-crime measures that had nothing to do with registration and training, yet cut the number of firearm murders in the city by a staggering amount in a single year. Yet improvements like this were not factored in at all in the study you mention, and thus the resulting decline from these non-registration efforts is instead credited to the premise of the study.

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Do you favor gun registration? [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 OP

And do I favor banning handguns? HERVEPA Jun 2015 #1

That's a bridge too far for me at the federal level but I strongly favor gun registration./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #3

It's also unconstitutional BainsBane Jun 2015 #6

Registration, licensing and training BainsBane Jun 2015 #2

+1,000,000,000 PM Martin Jun 2015 #12

Add in liability insurance - Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2015 #15

glad you added the insurance rurallib Jun 2015 #27

+1 daleanime Jun 2015 #51

Yup ... Qualify, and you can have any gun you want. JoePhilly Jun 2015 #28

Not really, it might help some after-the-fact investigations HereSince1628 Jun 2015 #4

There was a study of CT's law requiring registration and training BainsBane Jun 2015 #9

Yes, and the story was pretty soundly debunked on any number of grounds Shamash Jun 2015 #55

In an ideal universe, certainly. In the actual political environment of American electoral reality-- Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #5

Well said and pretty much how I see it. nt Mojorabbit Jun 2015 #40

Do you favor car registration? KamaAina Jun 2015 #7

you beat me to it... mwooldri Jun 2015 #11

Cars do not need to be registered Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #13

Every car has a Vehicle Identification Number okasha Jun 2015 #18

And every gun has a serial number. Nt hack89 Jun 2015 #23

Of course. okasha Jun 2015 #26

You do not need plates or tags Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #33

It's not easy to buy an unregistered car. mwooldri Jun 2015 #31

All guns are sold initially Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #34

It'd help if gun ownership was... yallerdawg Jun 2015 #8

WA state has them under the control of the Governor, not the LP, TP, 2ASs, KKK, etc. freshwest Jun 2015 #17

Do you favor car registration? mwooldri Jun 2015 #10

Negative. beevul Jun 2015 #14

Many states require gun registration... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #19

Its not my argument... beevul Jun 2015 #21

yes and I would also require liability insurance corkhead Jun 2015 #16

That would make the NRA a ton of money hack89 Jun 2015 #24

and I suppose you don't buy gasoline because Exxon profits from it corkhead Jun 2015 #30

A richer, bigger, more powerful NRA is not good for gun control hack89 Jun 2015 #43

your premise is based on unfounded speculation corkhead Jun 2015 #46

It wouldn't have paid in this case-- insurance doesn't cover criminal acts. X_Digger Jun 2015 #32

Like a doctor's malpractice insurance, its not to protect the doctor corkhead Jun 2015 #35

A deliberate criminal act is not negligence. X_Digger Jun 2015 #39

we're not talking about the gun owner collecting here corkhead Jun 2015 #41

Nor could a drug dealer's business policy cover innocent bystanders to the 'hostile takeover'. X_Digger Jun 2015 #42

I am not talking about having a gun owner insure themselves from adverse consquences of their action corkhead Jun 2015 #45

Yes, that's called imaginary insurance. n/t X_Digger Jun 2015 #49

If it doesn't exist, then it needs to be created in my opinion. corkhead Jun 2015 #54

What would it pay out? Lurker Deluxe Jun 2015 #56

Why don't you just come out and state your real agenda instead of badgering me corkhead Jun 2015 #57

Why don't you ... Lurker Deluxe Jun 2015 #58

and I suppose you think free guns should be given out to those who cannot afford to purchase them. corkhead Jun 2015 #59

And if it's created (*snort* let's run with this illogical line) and the cost is $5 per year. X_Digger Jun 2015 #61

The only illogical thing I see here is how you are able to leap to crazy conclusions about my views corkhead Jun 2015 #64

Because it was an accident Lurker Deluxe Jun 2015 #50

I support gun registration Doc_Technical Jun 2015 #20

I stand with the ACLU on this. Nt hack89 Jun 2015 #22

Somwbody once told me that Snobblevitch Jun 2015 #25

Yes. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #29

Any firearm with a detachable magazine should be federally registered. Half-Century Man Jun 2015 #36

The 2A allows for the strict regulation of guns hack89 Jun 2015 #44

Of course. Iggo Jun 2015 #37

Ban all guns! n/t PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #38

Registration at the very least. Vinca Jun 2015 #47

What are the unintended consequences? One_Life_To_Give Jun 2015 #48

I want nothing short of a full repeal of the Second Amendment and confiscation of all guns LonePirate Jun 2015 #52

Free clue: The bill of rights *grants* no rights, therefore repealing them revokes none. X_Digger Jun 2015 #63

No, but perhaps the owner should be licensed to ensure competence. TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #53

mexico has said, 80% of the guns they recover came from the USA. I also favor turning over Sunlei Jun 2015 #60

I think licensure is more important Recursion Jun 2015 #62