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93. If true, rhetorically opposing the war is still different from rhetorically advocating for the war.

Fri Jun 19, 2015, 10:55 AM

Jun 2015

My only claim was that there are differences between Obama, on the one hand, and Hillary and Biden, on the other hand, one of which was the Iraq War. Regardless of anything else, Obama neither advocated for that war nor voted for it, while Hillary did both.

During the 2008 primary, Bubba tried to make the exact same point you are trying to make, when he made his "this whole thing's a fairy tale" speech. i believe, as Bubba believed, that the Iraq War was one reason Democratic voters saw Obama and Hillary differently.

Another difference among the three: Hillary is running in the 2016 Democratic primary. Neither Obama nor Biden is.

This is not about beating up someone who will never again run for office, or glorifying him. At least, not for me.

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Not happy with the democratic field. I Wish Joe Biden would run. [View all] davishenderson265 Jun 2015 OP

I appreciate the concern of all who claim to be Socialists who love Bernie but won't vote him. merrily Jun 2015 #1

I will vote for Bernie. davishenderson265 Jun 2015 #2

Most of those who lose but are nominated later have been Republicans. merrily Jun 2015 #6

And of course, they always bring up McGovern, Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #8

McGovern's losing because he was liberal and Clinton's winning because he was not are two of the merrily Jun 2015 #17

McGovern had the same kind of supporters as Bernie. davishenderson265 Jun 2015 #27

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There were no "special set of circumstances in 1972. davishenderson265 Jun 2015 #18

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Yeah, I know Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #74

It's not about right or wrong. It's about hammering the talking points. merrily Jun 2015 #76

It's just like all those posts from dubious Bernie "supporters" Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #80

I find it impossible to believe anyone picks a primary candidate based on how the supporters of merrily Jun 2015 #84

Actually, there were plenty of special circumstances in 1972. merrily Jun 2015 #59

Biden wasn't VP in 2008 davishenderson265 Jun 2015 #22

This means nothing? yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #67

I'm a socialist. Sanders is too middle of the road. They are all too middle of the road. McCamy Taylor Jun 2015 #99

Bernie is "too middle of the road" compared to what? Center right Democrats? Okay. merrily Jun 2015 #100

Joe Biden is a good and decent man and great Democrat./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #3

I'm happy with the field so far. bigwillq Jun 2015 #4

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"Socialist" banner disqualifies Bernie as a serious candidate. davishenderson265 Jun 2015 #7

I never saw so many posters in GD claiming to be socialists until Bernie declared. merrily Jun 2015 #10

That is easy. Even we Socialists know the word is toxic in our center right nation. davishenderson265 Jun 2015 #15

And you're certainly doing your part to help keep it that way. Doesn't imply merrily Jun 2015 #21

I don;t care who people vote for. I'm just warning of an electoral disaster in the fall davishenderson265 Jun 2015 #30

Yes, we see you. I've already thanked you for your concern. What more do you think merrily Jun 2015 #34

PS Americans are NOT center right on issues. That's another lie we've been told, merrily Jun 2015 #25

That is debatable. davishenderson265 Jun 2015 #32

That's your debate? That's supposed to disprove all those polls? merrily Jun 2015 #52

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What the hell is an avowed Socialist, anyway? merrily Jun 2015 #29

Bernie said he was a Socialist. davishenderson265 Jun 2015 #36

And he's said many more times he is a Democratic Socialist, which he obviously practices, since merrily Jun 2015 #38

Show me proof that he said it. Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #39

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They are not supply-siders BainsBane Jun 2015 #9

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Obama, Clinton, and Biden are essentially interchangeable DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #13

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They look close to me DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #43

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The original Patriot Act passed the Senate 98-1/NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #50

All the more shame to those who voted for something a Republican court held unconstitutional merrily Jun 2015 #54

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And? If there's a point to your comments about Edwards, I missed it. merrily Jun 2015 #61

I opposed the IWR and the Patriot Act... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #65

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Again, what is your point? merrily Jun 2015 #70

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As I've said to you twice before on this thread, it is what it is and it will end how it ends. merrily Jun 2015 #77

Have a good night as well./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #79

Obama rhetorically opposed the war, he was not a Senator and had no vote. What did he do when he Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #91

If true, rhetorically opposing the war is still different from rhetorically advocating for the war. merrily Jun 2015 #93

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Crowd size at rallies mean nothing. davishenderson265 Jun 2015 #20

He got standing ovations on his first foray into South Carolina. merrily Jun 2015 #45

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Bleh. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #28

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Genuine? Juicy_Bellows Jun 2015 #47

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