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In reply to the discussion: For those who find Hillary's IWR vote unforgivable, are you equally disgusted with Joe Biden? [View all]karynnj
(61,065 posts)were on issues over the last 6 years where, to varying degrees they had influence on what the actual policy was. The fact that all made some recommendations of what they thought should be done - at a point when decisions were not yet made (and in HRC's case - after the fact (not a knock here as it would have been wrong had she directly opposed the President's position after it was made while SoS)
As Senators, I relied not on votes - where Kerry was by far more liberal than the other two - but on their more detailed speeches - in Biden and Kerry's case often in the SFRC. I assume that others could get other takeaways on these three people, but for the election it may be that only Clinton and maybe Biden are relevant. I included Kerry because of the comment I was responding to.
One observation I should have made to that poster is that all of us favoring one politician/statesman over others, there is possibly always a tendency to think that person was unfairly and unjustly singled out - as she seems to say. Now, it is entirely reasonable that HRC, more than JK is held to account on anything. She is asking us to make her President.
In a way the left by allowing the Republicans to conflate a decision made in March 2003, after inspectors were in for 5 months with a vote taken in October before inspections started. When Jeb Bush argues that everyone had the same information, ALL of us - for HRC, O'Malley, or Bernie - should ALL point out that what was known in March was NOT what was known the previous October. Where it was STILL the wrong vote in October, had Bush done what he said he would when asking for those votes, there would have been no war.
The problem is, whether 2004, 2008 or 2016, not having cast a yes vote helps in the primaries.