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karynnj

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38. Beyond position, I was trying to assess what each would do as President from where they
Fri Jun 19, 2015, 01:20 PM
Jun 2015

were on issues over the last 6 years where, to varying degrees they had influence on what the actual policy was. The fact that all made some recommendations of what they thought should be done - at a point when decisions were not yet made (and in HRC's case - after the fact (not a knock here as it would have been wrong had she directly opposed the President's position after it was made while SoS)

As Senators, I relied not on votes - where Kerry was by far more liberal than the other two - but on their more detailed speeches - in Biden and Kerry's case often in the SFRC. I assume that others could get other takeaways on these three people, but for the election it may be that only Clinton and maybe Biden are relevant. I included Kerry because of the comment I was responding to.

One observation I should have made to that poster is that all of us favoring one politician/statesman over others, there is possibly always a tendency to think that person was unfairly and unjustly singled out - as she seems to say. Now, it is entirely reasonable that HRC, more than JK is held to account on anything. She is asking us to make her President.

In a way the left by allowing the Republicans to conflate a decision made in March 2003, after inspectors were in for 5 months with a vote taken in October before inspections started. When Jeb Bush argues that everyone had the same information, ALL of us - for HRC, O'Malley, or Bernie - should ALL point out that what was known in March was NOT what was known the previous October. Where it was STILL the wrong vote in October, had Bush done what he said he would when asking for those votes, there would have been no war.

The problem is, whether 2004, 2008 or 2016, not having cast a yes vote helps in the primaries.

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I did not cast a vote for VP. n/t PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #1
Yes you did... brooklynite Jun 2015 #22
That's sophistry and you know it. truebluegreen Jun 2015 #28
Voting for President/Vice President has always been a package deal... brooklynite Jun 2015 #31
Currently, I'm sick over TPP and TPA and now her raising money with the lobbying firm, here and now! TheNutcracker Jun 2015 #2
If Biden were up for the nomination, I would hold him equally accountable, absolutely. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #3
Yeah, RAVE was awful (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #4
No. It's not only that. SaranchaIsWaiting Jun 2015 #5
Clarence Thomas eom Autumn Jun 2015 #6
Great question. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #8
Yes, that's why I won't vote for either of them in the primary. Shoulders of Giants Jun 2015 #9
Your point? elleng Jun 2015 #10
Is Joe Biden Running? Katashi_itto Jun 2015 #11
I'm disgusted that Joe Biden gave us Clarence Thomas on the SC. kath Jun 2015 #12
Far as I know, Joe Biden has no designs on the presidency tularetom Jun 2015 #13
If he runs I certainly will. Nt. Juicy_Bellows Jun 2015 #14
Heh. pacalo Jun 2015 #15
Yup, plus he voted for Thomas. U4ikLefty Jun 2015 #16
Of course not, just like they aren't with John Kerry BainsBane Jun 2015 #17
+1 leftofcool Jun 2015 #27
Kerry was different than HRC on this AND he has routinely been bashed karynnj Jun 2015 #34
Are you talking about her Senate record ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #36
Beyond position, I was trying to assess what each would do as President from where they karynnj Jun 2015 #38
+1000 ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #35
No Aerows Jun 2015 #18
+1 treestar Jun 2015 #19
Equal zeal as if there isn't other things to consider JonLP24 Jun 2015 #24
Biden isn't running for president. Marr Jun 2015 #29
Well if the vote is warmongering for people running for POTUS, it is for everyone else. treestar Jun 2015 #30
Yes, it is-- but only one of them is running for President. Marr Jun 2015 #33
Don't worry, we ARE looking at all those things. It is not eight years ago anymore. We have sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #40
I'm disgusted with ANYONE that voted for it. hobbit709 Jun 2015 #20
Yup NobodyHere Jun 2015 #21
I find the vote equally disgusting JonLP24 Jun 2015 #23
I've been disgusted with Biden since the Anita Hill hearings. nt bemildred Jun 2015 #25
In my experience most Biden supporters supported the IWR betterdemsonly Jun 2015 #26
The answer to that question is very obvious. JoePhilly Jun 2015 #32
Yes bigwillq Jun 2015 #37
He was not a candidate for president. The candidate I supported back then had opposed sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #39
No, they aren't. At least I don't recall them going on ad nauseum McCamy Taylor Jun 2015 #41
Yes. And Bush, and Cheney, and Hillary, and all the others who voted to kill people. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2015 #42
Hillary had a unique advantage. moondust Jun 2015 #43
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