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samsingh

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25. there are many cases where two people are armed and the murderer kills the innocent one

Reply to Dont call me Shirley (Original post)

Fri Jun 19, 2015, 03:29 PM

Jun 2015

e.g. in language the nra understands - the bad guy with the gun killed the good guy with the gun.

simple inference, arming everyone will not eliminate gun deaths or death of innocent people with guns. guns do not always make you safer. generally, its the one imbecile with a gun killing many people at once - even when some of them are armed. Obviously, having a gun doesn't help if someone jumps into a room starts shooting people in the back with an assualt rifle. but these are facts, and facts, don't mean anything to the gun lobby and the imbecile blood soaked nra.

the true argument is about money being made by the manufacturers and others getting their personal thrills - while people are slaughtered all the time.

nothing is going to change in the near future, unfortunately. there is too much money, corruption, and a screwed up scotus to make it better.

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Does Right To Own Guns Trump Right To Live? [View all] Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 OP

That belief is a derivative Turbineguy Jun 2015 #1

+100. Even if one accepts "right" to carry/own guns, it doesn't mean good/civilized people should. Hoyt Jun 2015 #2

"My rights trump your dead" BainsBane Jun 2015 #3

Does he really thing that fighting in the Iraq or Afghanistan war passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #33

Not only that, he thinks it makes his right to have guns more important BainsBane Jun 2015 #34

Yes, but that I expected from a gun nut. The NRA sells that loud and clear. passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #40

Links Electric Monk Jun 2015 #38

+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2015 #50

I have been told several times Bettie Jun 2015 #76

OMG there is something wrong with him treestar Jun 2015 #82

I own guns but I don't go around saying I want to start a race war, civil war, etc. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #4

I have several relatives who hunt. They are good, kind people. I think we need to emphasize JDPriestly Jun 2015 #24

Pointing fingers at the NRA for fighting sensible bills to hold people and gun dealers Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #35

True. I would favor requiring gun owners to insure their guns and to post bonds to cover JDPriestly Jun 2015 #46

And they very successful in scaring some of their members into thinking Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #48

Around the world, people hunt and eat what they kill, and most other countries in which JDPriestly Jun 2015 #66

The problem isn't gun owners BainsBane Jun 2015 #54

Very true, NRA thinks everyone should have guns, manufactured by the groups they represent Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #80

Then you are guilty, and have blood on your hands. According to this DU poster. oneshooter Jun 2015 #77

Very good post TheCowsCameHome Jun 2015 #5

I call them "The #2s". Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #36

LOL BainsBane Jun 2015 #39

"My right trumps your dead." From the 3-11-2013 speech of Aaron Weiss. Paladin Jun 2015 #6

According to gun nuts, yes. Arugula Latte Jun 2015 #7

I think lumping all gun rights defenders together is inaccurate cali Jun 2015 #8

Don't confuse "gun owners" with "gun rights activists." Paladin Jun 2015 #16

I didn't. The OP used the phrase gun defenders. cali Jun 2015 #23

I would agree with that distinction and that is why drray23 Jun 2015 #29

Our resident gun rights cadre has more leeway now than they used to. Paladin Jun 2015 #30

Well said nt Mojorabbit Jun 2015 #43

That's what makes them the moral equivalent of climate deniers. villager Jun 2015 #9

It's not an either/or question Man from Pickens Jun 2015 #10

I am told the Deacons for Defense saw no dichotemy. nt Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #11

For many in this benighted idiocracy, hifiguy Jun 2015 #12

Not mutually exclusive One_Life_To_Give Jun 2015 #13

No, in the same way that the right to free speech doesn't trump crimes involving speech aikoaiko Jun 2015 #14

False dichotomy. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #15

+1. It's so ridiculous pintobean Jun 2015 #75

Gun owners literally have more rights than non-gun owners in the U.S. onehandle Jun 2015 #17

Specifically, what rights do you believe gun owners have that you don't? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #18

In Texas, for example, a CCW license is ok ID to vote, while a University Student ID card isn't. Electric Monk Jun 2015 #41

a CCW license is issued by the government cali Jun 2015 #44

You went and ruined a perfectly good rant with inconvenient truth friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #49

So are driver's licenses- so what's your point? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #51

I answered the question you posed in post #18 with a specific example. nt Electric Monk Jun 2015 #52

What has this "right" to use another form of ID while voting deprived others of? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #53

It is harder for a university student (with photo ID) to vote than for a gun toter. Electric Monk Jun 2015 #55

The id is not government owned yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #57

It doesn't bother the state of Kansas NoGOPZone Jun 2015 #67

Is the student ID issued by the state? Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #58

An obvious attempt to hang the Voter ID thing on gun owners friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #60

Yep Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #65

Not only that, most gun owners don't *have* ID cards-not required where they live friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #68

I doubt he will nt Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #74

It seems that gratuitous swipe didn't work out as planned... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #84

The difference, as I'm sure you know, is that a university ID isn't a govt issued ID, GGJohn Jun 2015 #59

Gun-averse Massachusetts allows Firearms ID cards to be used as proof of residence... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #61

How dare you introduce facts into the conversation. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #64

Exactly. SoapBox Jun 2015 #19

There can be no civil rights at the expense of another. tymorial Jun 2015 #20

This is not an ether or arguement. imthevicar Jun 2015 #21

Live by the sword, die by the sword... americannightmare Jun 2015 #22

there are many cases where two people are armed and the murderer kills the innocent one samsingh Jun 2015 #25

in America, yes Skittles Jun 2015 #26

k&r CharlotteVale Jun 2015 #27

And we can have guns HassleCat Jun 2015 #28

Apparently yes. SheilaT Jun 2015 #31

According to some gun advocates, yes Jack Rabbit Jun 2015 #32

Then there's this group... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #37

"Your right to live is not on the Bill of Rights." Matrosov Jun 2015 #42

Does the right to get intoxicated trump the right to not die from drunk drivers and criminals? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #45

There is no right to get intoxicated outside your own home BainsBane Jun 2015 #56

Wow. So little fact in that post. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #63

"Just stop working to ensure felons have access" Any evidence NU is doing such a thing? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #70

"The only thing you criticize is people who want to stop that." beevul Jun 2015 #73

Things would be so much better if you could trouble yourself to lose the snotty rhetoric. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #78

Outside of video extremists... beevul Jun 2015 #47

Does my right to not self-incriminate trump your right to life? X_Digger Jun 2015 #62

No. Ban all guns!! n/t PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #69

And what are *you* doing to that effect, aside from parroting that phrase? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #71

Do you believe the same as this poster? oneshooter Jun 2015 #79

When dealing with bullies seveneyes Jun 2015 #72

Hell, not only is owning guns not a trump it's not even a high card! rock Jun 2015 #81

Yes, always has and always will. In another time it would be, "do spears trump the right to live?" Rex Jun 2015 #83