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forest444

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95. Well, if you must split hairs

Sat Jun 20, 2015, 12:31 AM

Jun 2015

The Stars and Bars was used not only as the battle flag of the CSA armies of Virginia and Tennessee and (as you mentioned) the CSA Navy, it was incorporated integrally into the "national flag" of the CSA itself.

In all cases representing not only the secessionist state, but its armed forces as well. In other words, both the civilian and military fronts of the greatest treason this country ever suffered (with the possible exception of the Bush administration).

It's worth reiterating here that its display is, in many quarters in the Deep South, meant as a deliberate celebration of said crimes against the United States - and many will tell you so to your face, especially if you doubt their sincerity in that regard.

Dylann Roof certainly thought of it that way.

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Doug Brannon SC Representative (R) introducing bill to take down confederate flag [View all] lostnfound Jun 2015 OP

Germans don't get to fly the Nazi flag as a way to honor their war dead NightWatcher Jun 2015 #1

... GGJohn Jun 2015 #6

Hate speech is not protected by the 1A dballance Jun 2015 #9

Hate speech is most certainly protected by the 1A, GGJohn Jun 2015 #10

That pos flag RobertEarl Jun 2015 #50

Regardless, it's still protected by the 1A. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #52

Not anynore RobertEarl Jun 2015 #56

Really? GGJohn Jun 2015 #59

Tell it to the judge RobertEarl Jun 2015 #66

So it hasn't been outlawed? GGJohn Jun 2015 #69

Just because the 1st ammendment gives the state the right to fly it, Mr.Bill Jun 2015 #133

Nor, John, is TREASON protected by the First Amendment. forest444 Jun 2015 #67

Ok, post the link where the confederate battle flag has been ruled as treason. GGJohn Jun 2015 #77

Display of the Confederate Battle flag isn't treason or a crime in itself, of course. forest444 Jun 2015 #86

You do realize that the flag flown over the memorial statute on the capitol grounds GGJohn Jun 2015 #88

Well, if you must split hairs forest444 Jun 2015 #95

I don't doubt your word, GGJohn Jun 2015 #97

What treason, exactly? NuclearDem Jun 2015 #122

The Civil War, for starters. forest444 Jun 2015 #127

I agree with TRP, but displaying the Dixie swastika is not legally an act of treason. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #129

You're right, unfortunately. forest444 Jun 2015 #131

Fire in a crowded theatre, exactly. SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #63

Maybe it has, GGJohn Jun 2015 #65

Totally agree, and I think it should be. nt SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #68

Thank you!!!! GGJohn Jun 2015 #71

Oh, you made me smile! SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #75

+1000. GGJohn Jun 2015 #78

Sauce for the goose, you betcha. SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #81

Thank whatever entity for moms. Salt of the earth. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #83

You know what, I've reconsidered my position. SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #84

I agree. GGJohn Jun 2015 #85

That's the way the guy was caught. SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #90

She was very brave and humble, I admire her for that, GGJohn Jun 2015 #92

She credited "God" SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #94

Believe it or not, I think that was a Gallagher bit. Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2015 #124

I believe it, SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #136

Gallagher bigmonkey Jun 2015 #138

Shouting fire in a crowded theater. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #121

Thanks for the info. SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #135

Actually it is protected speech hardluck Jun 2015 #11

Yes, it certainly is. linuxman Jun 2015 #113

it may be "protected" but the state endorsing it by flying the symbol rurallib Jun 2015 #14

Hey, you're preaching to the choir. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #15

That was kind of my thinking. 47of74 Jun 2015 #29

Yep. nt SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #70

Government is no more an individual.... daleanime Jun 2015 #16

Huh? GGJohn Jun 2015 #21

How is that confusing? daleanime Jun 2015 #26

Ok, I get it now. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #27

that is true. the comparison is still accurate cali Jun 2015 #17

Iirc, it's not atop the Capital. It's on a Confederate Soldiers memorial riderinthestorm Jun 2015 #24

Let them put it in a museum, then, SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #73

Agreed. It needs to be de-emphasized and minimized nt riderinthestorm Jun 2015 #76

That doesn't mean it should fly at the South Carolina capitol. DanTex Jun 2015 #30

I never said otherwise. eom GGJohn Jun 2015 #42

There is a difference between having the confederate flag Jamastiene Jun 2015 #33

It's not US govt. property, it's SC govt property, GGJohn Jun 2015 #35

Put it in a box in a museum Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2015 #43

No, it shouldn't. GGJohn Jun 2015 #44

I don't want to see it Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2015 #46

I don't blame you a bit. SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #93

Can't says I blame you. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #98

None of us want to see it For Freddie Jun 2015 #137

None of us want to see it For Freddie Jun 2015 #139

"It is an anti-American flag. It represents another country that fought against America." DamnYankeeInHouston Jun 2015 #62

Apparently the US govt doesn't see it that way. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #64

Unfortunately. SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #87

You know who flies that flag? SwankyXomb Jun 2015 #125

The "heritage" argument is utter bullshit! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #117

But I thought Lindsey Graham said the flag 'works' for South Carolina. RandySF Jun 2015 #2

It's part of "who" he is! riderinthestorm Jun 2015 #12

Good on him. cui bono Jun 2015 #3

That was my first thought. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #18

Good to see a Republican doing the right thing Bjorn Against Jun 2015 #4

If he really cared, he wouldn't be a fuckin' Republican. nt valerief Jun 2015 #5

Give it a fucking rest, GGJohn Jun 2015 #8

Thats a tough job for a lot of folks here! 7962 Jun 2015 #22

Yep GGJohn Jun 2015 #25

Too little....too late. ZX86 Jun 2015 #45

You do know that alot of Democrats voted for the IWR also don't you? eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #51

No ZX86 Jun 2015 #53

You're welcome. GGJohn Jun 2015 #61

Do you have any other stunning revelations like... ZX86 Jun 2015 #79

Nope, but you seem to hit all the R talking points. GGJohn Jun 2015 #80

shame! Botany Jun 2015 #13

A lot of the pressure to be an asshole is coming down on them from a national level.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #19

Sorry, but this isn't 1954. To be a Republican todays means you hate women, you hate POC, and valerief Jun 2015 #120

Actually, on a local level all you have to do is be a parrot. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #132

Bwah! nt valerief Jun 2015 #141

True as far as it goes, but perhaps he will change. SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #48

It's frustrating that repubs are incapable of empathizing ("getting it") until something personally ecstatic Jun 2015 #144

Yeah, I do think SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #145

I think the national party is going to pressure SCGOP. blm Jun 2015 #7

It just may take him to yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #20

It will take a 2/3s vote in each house to change the 'comprise' law that put it there. sinkingfeeling Jun 2015 #23

They have the nerve to call it a "compromise "? They lost the fucking Civil War. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #32

Because the Fed. Govt has no jurisidiction. GGJohn Jun 2015 #37

That is the Confederate battle flag, not a state flag. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #40

That may be the way you see it, but it's not the law, GGJohn Jun 2015 #41

The 14th Amendment is the law. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #47

Then tell me something here, if what you claim were true, GGJohn Jun 2015 #54

The feds pick their battles I guess. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #89

Or they recognize that this is a state's issue and they have no jurisdiction over it. GGJohn Jun 2015 #91

Discrimination is not a state's right. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #102

Never said it was, GGJohn Jun 2015 #104

That's your opinion. That is not a fact. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #107

It's just as much fact as your opinion, matter of fact, GGJohn Jun 2015 #109

Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #110

LOLOL. GGJohn Jun 2015 #111

You contend the state should be able to fly that flag because it's "state property." SunSeeker Jun 2015 #114

Now you're lying about what I said. GGJohn Jun 2015 #118

You contend that because the flag is state property the feds can't stop them.. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #128

Actually, its the naval jack of the Confederate Navy, not a flag of the army. 7962 Jun 2015 #72

Thank you for the info. GGJohn Jun 2015 #82

AND General Lee's battle flag and the battle flag of the Confederate Army of Tennessee. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #99

And it's still protected under the 1A. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #100

The 1st Am protects people, not government. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #103

And yet, the US govt has declined to intervene. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #105

That does not make it any less an injustice. nt SunSeeker Jun 2015 #106

What injustise? GGJohn Jun 2015 #108

The injustice of your government treating you like you are subhuman chattel. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #112

It just might be the start of something good and enduring. marble falls Jun 2015 #28

Wow, props to him for that. Jamastiene Jun 2015 #31

Republicans are the only ones who can do this gratuitous Jun 2015 #36

Good point. Jamastiene Jun 2015 #38

They also need to: bkkyosemite Jun 2015 #34

Really. SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #55

A ray of hope Iwillnevergiveup Jun 2015 #39

Oh, so when it's HIS friend, when it affects HIM PERSONALLY . . . hatrack Jun 2015 #49

That's the way human beings work, SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #58

I appreciate what' he's trying to do. herding cats Jun 2015 #57

Change comes too slowly but we progress with changing one heart at a time ALBliberal Jun 2015 #60

Very nicely said. nt 7962 Jun 2015 #74

they should call a special session KT2000 Jun 2015 #96

Appropriate marions ghost Jun 2015 #101

that makes me cry.. thank you, lostandfound. :( Cha Jun 2015 #115

Will fall into the snake pit when we call it the confederate flag. TheOther95Percent Jun 2015 #116

K&R valerief Jun 2015 #123

K&R myrna minx Jun 2015 #119

One should be very careful sulphurdunn Jun 2015 #126

Sons of Confederacy Booth at Festival HockeyMom Jun 2015 #130

Thank you hockeymom saidsimplesimon Jun 2015 #134

They just need to keep focusing on the connection between avebury Jun 2015 #140

I wrote Representative Brannon an email stage left Jun 2015 #142

And that's good bluestateguy Jun 2015 #143