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Shamash

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21. Even Australians did not put up with it

Sat Jun 20, 2015, 07:22 AM

Jun 2015

The gun ban resulted in approximately 700,000 prohibited weapons being turned in, which by government estimates was only about a third of the expected amount. And this from a people without an RKBA tradition.

If you look at Australia for the past 20 years:
• the number of guns illegally smuggled into Australia has gone up several-fold (and straight into the hands of criminals)
• criminals now have their own underground firearms manufacturing industry
• murders are down a little (they went up for several years after these 700,000 guns left circulation, but eventually dropped)
• armed robberies are unchanged
• kidnap and abduction is unchanged
• sexual assaults are way up

So remind us all again exactly how taking guns away from non-criminals helped the Australians as a whole.

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Why gun control is doomed [View all] damnedifIknow Jun 2015 OP

The pro-massacre lobby won. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #1

Because the Bible study group wasn't packing enough heat themselves? Are you fucking kidding me? Electric Monk Jun 2015 #10

No, because a possibly mentally ill white supremacist fuckwit was able to get a gun. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #37

I will not call this young man mentally ill nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #112

Shooter reportedly motivated in part by black on white violent crime. ed_shaw Jun 2015 #151

I read the statement in full nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #155

Yes, it sounds like he did. ed_shaw Jun 2015 #170

Well lone wolves are far more common than they used to be nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #171

cowards won Skittles Jun 2015 #12

Yep shenmue Jun 2015 #126

I happen to be in favof of total SheilaT Jun 2015 #2

guns are the perfect 4 yr old's toy: loud noise, bright flash, breaks stuff nt msongs Jun 2015 #3

... GGJohn Jun 2015 #5

It does not matter if the majority of firearms owners are law abiding. SheilaT Jun 2015 #7

Hey Sheila Shamash Jun 2015 #20

"And I'm perfectly happy with the way things are now..." daleanime Jun 2015 #33

Maybe you are, but I'm not Shamash Jun 2015 #41

There needs to be an investigation to see where NICS failed EL34x4 Jun 2015 #49

I agree. Virginia's broke down in the VT killings, yet its reporting system was 2nd only to CA. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #68

Get back to you never, the pro-gun side talks well.... daleanime Jun 2015 #50

Here is the dilemma you are in: Wanting pro-gunners to do what you can't... Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #67

You never fail to come thru, El! CTyankee Jun 2015 #115

Every tragedy pipoman Jun 2015 #116

more of the same old, same old...I know you guys have your "sources." I see them CTyankee Jun 2015 #131

And the gun control usual suspects were the first on the scene pipoman Jun 2015 #133

so I guess it's "impossible" so just give up and don't try anything anymore... CTyankee Jun 2015 #134

There's actually a lot of things which could be done pipoman Jun 2015 #139

let's get them done then... CTyankee Jun 2015 #141

Get what done? The possible? pipoman Jun 2015 #143

And the NRA opposes absolutely all of the things that can be done mythology Jun 2015 #168

I'm not an NRA member and most of the things which could be done pipoman Jun 2015 #169

another guy whooping and hollering... CTyankee Jun 2015 #135

I have no idea what this has to do with what I said... pipoman Jun 2015 #140

think harder... CTyankee Jun 2015 #142

barely since it has nothing to do with DU... pipoman Jun 2015 #144

as long as some people blame the victims for their deaths by gun violence we avoid CTyankee Jun 2015 #145

you'll have to give me a post number for the problems and solutions as you see it.... pipoman Jun 2015 #157

It is there and I think you'll find what you are looking for. CTyankee Jun 2015 #162

Who was first in line with the animosity, CT? THAT is what never fails. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #163

I disagree strongly with your ideas on this issue, it is not personal animosity. CTyankee Jun 2015 #165

??? SheilaT Jun 2015 #38

I'm an older guy Shamash Jun 2015 #42

Okay, you win. SheilaT Jun 2015 #44

Yes, I -will- be surprised Shamash Jun 2015 #46

At around 10k non suicide deaths annually pipoman Jun 2015 #120

"There's another readily identifiable minority" - guns are a choice you make to own. The Straight Story Jun 2015 #62

Because committing violent crimes is a matter of desire/intent. Which invites comparison. n/t Shamash Jun 2015 #130

So start the process to repeal the 2A, GGJohn Jun 2015 #29

With your rationale we would have to reinstate Prohibition. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #58

I would say that 80+ million gun owners downright disagree with that. beevul Jun 2015 #80

That "culture war thingy"... Chan790 Jun 2015 #32

LOL. GGJohn Jun 2015 #34

Have you ever even considered the logistics of a "total gun confiscation"?? It would NEVER happen, Ghost in the Machine Jun 2015 #6

It happened in Australia. SheilaT Jun 2015 #8

The bad guys in Australia just build their own now. davepc Jun 2015 #11

And the cops have got them off the street. Are you claiming gun control doesn't work here? n/t Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #14

"Gun control" is not a panacea. They problem is the "why" - why these mass shootings? jonno99 Jun 2015 #55

Which means they're not available to ordinary members of the public. SwissTony Jun 2015 #17

Oh. I guess I've missed their frequent mass murders as well. SheilaT Jun 2015 #39

I'm not a fan of our then Prime Minister John Howard SwissTony Jun 2015 #16

Nor me, but he was awesome when it came to gun control... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #36

Just like Electronic Frontier Foundation members are all responsible for child porn friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #18

Even Australians did not put up with it Shamash Jun 2015 #21

Let me tell you how the gun control laws help us as a whole... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #31

If one is correlating crime with gun ownership Shamash Jun 2015 #43

Um, I didn't expect my home to be less likely to be burgled... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #127

If I were PM of Australia... Shamash Jun 2015 #132

And the Australian public would have had four words for you... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #147

I didn't ask the Australian public, I asked -you- Shamash Jun 2015 #150

And I'm telling you how the vast majority of Australians felt... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #152

Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #153

yes there are gejohnston Jun 2015 #123

I disagree. One can support a civil liberty and still condemn those who exploit it to do harm aikoaiko Jun 2015 #22

Actually, no, they *bought* them. You ready to pony up market prices for 350 million guns? X_Digger Jun 2015 #65

"Fuck you. You are, each and every one of you, responsible for Charleston and every single other.. Ghost in the Machine Jun 2015 #66

Classy, huh? Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #98

Yep, a real class act there... Ghost in the Machine Jun 2015 #113

This has gone out of control ed_shaw Jun 2015 #172

Happened in Australia because their people consented to it LittleBlue Jun 2015 #77

These people are playing with matches- Lulu Belle Jun 2015 #148

Well, that changes everything. beevul Jun 2015 #81

The United States has almost FOURTEEN TIMES the population of Australia. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #83

Disgustingly, this vulgar, irrational, insulting POS post was (barely) sustained. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #97

Not surprising here Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #104

and legal gun ownership is the same gejohnston Jun 2015 #121

And if you go to, enjoy, or have a swimming pool pipoman Jun 2015 #122

Pass laws to freeze the assets of people with guns Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #9

How do you propose to get the 20-25% of Americans that own guns to go along with that... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #13

Those Americans will have bank accounts Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #47

even if such a law were possible, which it isn't, you wouldn't know where to look in most cases. aikoaiko Jun 2015 #24

Pass laws to freeze the assets of people convicted of DUI Ghost in the Machine Jun 2015 #73

Have you read the Bill of Rights lately? delta17 Jun 2015 #119

You do it how Japan did it. Chan790 Jun 2015 #35

Thanks for that information, as I didn't know that about Japan. SheilaT Jun 2015 #40

A wonderful addition to this thread - very informative Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #45

Now this approach is interesting. It sounds similar to what the bad guys have done w Roe v Wade. calimary Jun 2015 #57

Sure put a dent in their suicide rate. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #69

So, basically, you support Communism? Which Constitutional Right are YOU willing to give up?? Ghost in the Machine Jun 2015 #76

What does revoking RKBA have to do with state ownership of the means of production of capital? Chan790 Jun 2015 #79

Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #87

"So on...chip chip chip." beevul Jun 2015 #82

Thank goodness the Constitution protects us from people like you. tritsofme Jun 2015 #102

This is exactly why many of us RKBA'ers argue that gun control is a slippery slope. appal_jack Jun 2015 #146

And you see ANY POSSIBILITY of that ever passing any congress? nt Logical Jun 2015 #23

I'm with you, SheilaT. calimary Jun 2015 #53

unless you repeal the 2nd amendment it cant happen rdking647 Jun 2015 #167

It's easy to forget: (1) We really can change things; (2) Changing things takes lots of time struggle4progress Jun 2015 #4

Gun control is not doomed, however given the US' history, it will be akbacchus_BC Jun 2015 #15

That's sounds pretty elitist. LAGC Jun 2015 #61

Remember folks Shamash Jun 2015 #19

Probably no more gun control, per se... but more surveillance, more people control seems possible HereSince1628 Jun 2015 #25

Self-fulfilling prophecy. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #26

Amazing how many Democrats also have this bizzare fetish for guns. DCBob Jun 2015 #27

Yep Shamash Jun 2015 #48

LOL laundry_queen Jun 2015 #78

Its right there in so many anti-gun posts for all to see. beevul Jun 2015 #84

Again LOL laundry_queen Jun 2015 #88

Thats what I'd say if I were in denial of it, myself. N/T beevul Jun 2015 #89

Denial of what? laundry_queen Jun 2015 #91

The behavior you're ignoring. beevul Jun 2015 #94

plenty of hateful behavior laundry_queen Jun 2015 #96

Whatever "hateful" behavior is coming from the pro-gun side, it PALES in comparison... beevul Jun 2015 #99

If there is plenty Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #105

Simply crashing a thread laundry_queen Jun 2015 #107

I see you could not link to any Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #108

I see the search function escapes your capabilities. nt laundry_queen Jun 2015 #109

No, it does not Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #110

and what am I searching for? Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #111

Some folks "like" guns just because the guns are "cool" and go bang. jonno99 Jun 2015 #59

Neither do I. smirkymonkey Jun 2015 #158

I grew up on a farm in the midwest and did alot of hunting. DCBob Jun 2015 #160

Because of Republicans. Same as most everything else. DanTex Jun 2015 #28

Let me fix that title for you: 99Forever Jun 2015 #30

Weapon manufacturers benefit from mass murders. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2015 #51

So if bar owners can be held liable for the murder that's committed when a drunk calimary Jun 2015 #60

No, your analogy is off. X_Digger Jun 2015 #74

Because they bought politicians to make it that way SwankyXomb Jun 2015 #103

apples and oranges and you know it Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #106

President Obama, House Speaker Pelosi, AG Holder ALL advocated banning.... Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #72

There are two ways to get pro-gun legislators to vote on gun bills. valerief Jun 2015 #52

Theres nothing ethical... beevul Jun 2015 #86

It has to be a community project. hunter Jun 2015 #54

It's sick is what it is damnedifIknow Jun 2015 #63

Gun control is a political loser. earthside Jun 2015 #56

I think it should be up to the person who wants a gun to prove they are not a gun pervert... hunter Jun 2015 #64

lol, NM_Birder Jun 2015 #70

White Republican Gun Love is extinct as a political issue in my community. hunter Jun 2015 #85

"Obsessing about tools of death, collecting them, admiring them, is a perverse sick fetish". smirkymonkey Jun 2015 #159

A lot of people in the South had to "prove" they knew constitutional law to vote... Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #75

Don't know anything about that. hunter Jun 2015 #90

Well, you sound like an American! Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #93

This was up until the 1960s (nt) Recursion Jun 2015 #136

I had trouble with the "gun gets you the vote and protects you from the night rider..." hunter Jun 2015 #154

There's a PBS docu about armed Black defense in the 60s. it's interesting. Recursion Jun 2015 #156

Because the proposal is insufficient. Chan790 Jun 2015 #117

Rights aren't based on 'need', they're inherent friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #128

I'm a vocal adherent, even in this thread, of 2nd A. repeal. Chan790 Jun 2015 #149

I support both pro-gun and anti-gun ideas madville Jun 2015 #71

the problem comes when a responsible, non-violent member of society becomes CTyankee Jun 2015 #138

I own guns that nobody knows about. I doubt I'm the only one. Throd Jun 2015 #92

We had a Rethug Congress in 2012. But eventually we won't -- demographics are moving pnwmom Jun 2015 #95

I don't know why so many Americans are so twisted compared to other humans in other Arugula Latte Jun 2015 #100

+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2015 #161

The people still believing in the promised land of gun control Shamash Jun 2015 #101

an amerikan disease/plague. pansypoo53219 Jun 2015 #114

The idea that the earth is not flat was doomed Aerows Jun 2015 #118

1992 was the apology: Galileo got in trouble for burning every bridge and not having proof to separa MisterP Jun 2015 #124

He was sentenced and excommunicated Aerows Jun 2015 #125

... without evidence MisterP Jun 2015 #164

Your reply is confusing Aerows Jun 2015 #166

I don't think anyone has ever thought the earth was flat Recursion Jun 2015 #137

The REAL reason (warning, some will be offended) DonCoquixote Jun 2015 #129