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84. Joseph Rakes is unrepentant.

Sat Jun 20, 2015, 07:49 PM

Jun 2015

If you look at a few of the links I've posted throughout the thread, you can see that he is just living with his reputation, he mitigates his behavior, and, most telling of all, he's kept/preserved that flag.

He's not going to go out on the ramparts at this stage of his life, but he's not going to be mistaken as a friend of the Civil Rights Movement, either.

Jim Kelly was helping Ted up after he got attacked, punched, thrown to the ground and kicked. I posted a video elsewhere in this thread that has the photographer discussing the images (and he shows Ted on the ground getting kicked) and the sequence of events. Start around the two minute mark if you don't want to see Forman's account of another very iconic image about a fire and balcony.

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Here's a White guy about to stab a Black guy in the chest with an American Flag. [View all] WilliamPitt Jun 2015 OP

Yes. we can do it Jun 2015 #1

Complete BULLSHIT Post! False Equivalency AllTooEasy Jun 2015 #57

No, this actually happened in Boston. cwydro Jun 2015 #61

Please help Missn-Hitch Jun 2015 #135

So you want a race war npk Jun 2015 #142

I guess it is just a river in Egypt. Missn-Hitch Jun 2015 #154

I cannot take your seriously npk Jun 2015 #156

Eh, not bad. Missn-Hitch Jun 2015 #157

Good day also npk Jun 2015 #158

No it isn't. Racism is alive and well here in Ohio. Ask Tamir Rice. we can do it Jun 2015 #87

The south is the only part of the country where white and black people see each other regularly Recursion Jun 2015 #121

that didn't take long... quickesst Jun 2015 #130

You're wrong, AllTooEasy. I remember the riots in Boston. I also remember the Stuart murder case catbyte Jun 2015 #134

I believe the point is "false equivalency", not Missn-Hitch Jun 2015 #138

I really don't see how saying that racism is just as bad in the north as it is in the south catbyte Jun 2015 #140

Maybe you and I are reading the responses to AllTooEasy's post differently... Missn-Hitch Jun 2015 #155

The Soiling of Old Glory. Brickbat Jun 2015 #2

There's another version of this photo WilliamPitt Jun 2015 #4

I guessing from the next sentence, the interviewed "he" was the white guy. MindPilot Jun 2015 #13

He's OK. WilliamPitt Jun 2015 #14

Ted Landsmark's nose was broken (from a punch), and he has gone on to do a lot of work in art and Brickbat Jun 2015 #15

YES! Iwillnevergiveup Jun 2015 #103

He is a well-respected Bostonian who continued to work within city government MADem Jun 2015 #102

No there isn't oberliner Jun 2015 #34

William Pitt may be thinking of this review of a book about the incident csziggy Jun 2015 #42

Which confirms that the image described does not exist oberliner Jun 2015 #44

See post 64. WilliamPitt Jun 2015 #65

Why? You are still wrong. JTFrog Jun 2015 #86

There is no call to be rude. rhett o rick Jun 2015 #106

Did you say that to Pitt.... JTFrog Jun 2015 #120

So you are using the "he started it" argument. rhett o rick Jun 2015 #133

And some here are interested in facts. JTFrog Jun 2015 #143

But they'll live on forever, just like so many other inflammatory rumors. 7962 Jun 2015 #43

Hm. WilliamPitt Jun 2015 #64

Rakes doesn't regret it, and the picture you describe does not exist. MADem Jun 2015 #85

There was a Boston Globe article where he said he didn't regret it fishwax Jun 2015 #80

lets see it then Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #52

Post 64. WilliamPitt Jun 2015 #66

so you can not show the picture Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #68

The photographer says the guy was swinging the flagpole and the swinger didn't connect. MADem Jun 2015 #81

There is no such photo melman Jun 2015 #147

I remember that horrible time but never saw this photo....racial violence, as American as apple pie. haikugal Jun 2015 #3

How do you know if te guy with the flag mindem Jun 2015 #5

He's from South Boston. WilliamPitt Jun 2015 #12

No, he does not live in Southie and hasn't for years. MADem Jun 2015 #101

Facts, schmacts. JTFrog Jun 2015 #122

I thought he was from Maine? (nt) Recursion Jun 2015 #127

Thank you, Will... ms liberty Jun 2015 #6

Yes. cwydro Jun 2015 #60

There is certainly racism here in Michigan gollygee Jun 2015 #7

Absolutely! llmart Jun 2015 #123

Long ugly history or racism isn't over yey Sheepshank Jun 2015 #8

Oh man.that's old news !! virgogal Jun 2015 #9

dont need to tell me. chicago mopinko Jun 2015 #10

Yes. Chicago is very racist. murielm99 Jun 2015 #31

tru dat. mopinko Jun 2015 #62

Not limited to any state HappyMe Jun 2015 #11

Or, for that matter..... Rebubula Jun 2015 #136

When did Massachusetts outlaw slavery in its borders? NuclearDem Jun 2015 #16

Boston baked beans WilliamPitt Jun 2015 #17

Massachusetts outlawed slavery willingly in the 18th century. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #20

You got THAT right ! BlueJazz Jun 2015 #30

That would explain all the hate groups in Mass... Glassunion Jun 2015 #32

I've always found it historically ironic...... bvar22 Jun 2015 #35

Interestingsly.... paleotn Jun 2015 #58

Since you're a student of history NuclearDem Jun 2015 #75

So your answer is : bvar22 Jun 2015 #77

What on earth are you talking about? NuclearDem Jun 2015 #79

"Manifest Destiny"...LOL bvar22 Jun 2015 #89

I did answer your question. If you didn't like the answer, tough. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #90

You answered the question like Sarah Palin answers questions. bvar22 Jun 2015 #146

Now you're all manner of confused. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #149

When you try to pull any individual piece out of History, bvar22 Jun 2015 #152

Now you're just doing it deliberately. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #153

I will take that post as a concession. bvar22 Jun 2015 #166

You take it however you want, buddy. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #170

They just couldn't make it pay....so they "outlawed" it.... paleotn Jun 2015 #55

Amen to that, my friend. roamer65 Jun 2015 #78

Our other disagreements notwithstanding, this is one hell of a refutation! My sincerest KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #139

Thank you shenmue Jun 2015 #47

If the north were such a nirvana.... paleotn Jun 2015 #56

Mass was the first state to outlaw slavery, MannyGoldstein Jun 2015 #105

Well, kind of Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #113

Bullshit Leontius Jun 2015 #111

We all know that where ever there are people, there are bigots notadmblnd Jun 2015 #18

Some places it is more open, others more hidden. But it is all over. uppityperson Jun 2015 #19

The symbolism in that photo. WDIM Jun 2015 #21

k&r... spanone Jun 2015 #22

Yup. The Northern cities were the last to inegrate. DamnYankeeInHouston Jun 2015 #23

K&R Solly Mack Jun 2015 #24

Yeah, Boston is the worse fbc Jun 2015 #25

While this is horrid.... CherokeeDem Jun 2015 #26

I live in California and see the racism onecaliberal Jun 2015 #27

I remember quite well those troubled times in Boston. kairos12 Jun 2015 #28

Yes, anyone who thinks the North is "superior" needs to watch this movie: Coventina Jun 2015 #29

Molasses ablamj Jun 2015 #91

I have to agree, Boston racism hit me like a brick wall Warpy Jun 2015 #33

+10000000 Glassunion Jun 2015 #36

Too bad you didn't go to Cambridge, instead Warpy Jun 2015 #37

Guinness should always be enjoyed from the tap. Glassunion Jun 2015 #46

I was always given a free half pint Warpy Jun 2015 #49

To hell with virtual... Glassunion Jun 2015 #71

And East Boston is north of the North End Recursion Jun 2015 #126

One of the things I loved about it Warpy Jun 2015 #145

I've heard people say that the South has more structural racism but individuals are friendlier... DemocraticWing Jun 2015 #38

Watts Rebellion 50 years ago come August ~ nt antiquie Jun 2015 #39

I was attending Boston U heaven05 Jun 2015 #40

Maybe he's like George Wallace HassleCat Jun 2015 #41

Naaah...he really hasn't said "I was wrong." He said he was a hot-headed kid, but he justifies MADem Jun 2015 #83

Here is the photographer's web site with the photos of "Soiling Old Glory" csziggy Jun 2015 #45

I can take you to lots of racist places in California but that would ruin the DU stereotype. Throd Jun 2015 #48

I grew up in LiberalElite Jun 2015 #50

The man is NOT "about to stab a black guy in the chest" 7962 Jun 2015 #51

Joseph Rakes is unrepentant. MADem Jun 2015 #84

Yet the OP's author refuses to change its title to one thats actually true. 7962 Jun 2015 #96

All I can say is consider the source. MADem Jun 2015 #100

Not a lousy opinion at all. I agree; facts matter. 7962 Jun 2015 #119

you are right quickesst Jun 2015 #131

I accept people as they come to me. "Regions" are not good or bad, "people" are. MADem Jun 2015 #144

thanks for your reply quickesst Jun 2015 #150

I have some family roots in one region of USA, but I've spent half my life outside America. MADem Jun 2015 #163

Very well said quickesst Jun 2015 #164

Love you, Will. Ishoutandscream2 Jun 2015 #53

People love to be superior, cwydro Jun 2015 #74

That "Black guy" is Ted Landsmark, who has had a long and distinguished career in the city. MADem Jun 2015 #54

He sure did pick the wrong way to hold a flag if he was just swinging it. Rex Jun 2015 #69

You can hear the photographer talk about that day in the 2nd half of this clip. MADem Jun 2015 #72

Here in liberal Oregon, JEB Jun 2015 #59

Really quite surprised by some of the pushback that you're receiving.. frylock Jun 2015 #63

I'm not. WilliamPitt Jun 2015 #67

The pushback is because the title of the OP is false, 7962 Jun 2015 #97

Overt racism is usually indicated by the "Stars and Bars" on a pickup truck. roamer65 Jun 2015 #70

There are 'code word' ways of indicating it--when people start talking about the "character" of a MADem Jun 2015 #82

yes, there are Racists everywhere but there seems to be more acceptance of it in some Southern areas JI7 Jun 2015 #73

Breathtaking photo. AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #76

Perfect metaphor for the last 6 years. nt ucrdem Jun 2015 #88

When was that picture taken? JDPriestly Jun 2015 #92

Obama was 14 and a half years old when that picture was taken. MADem Jun 2015 #95

How many higherarkies Jun 2015 #98

Yes. higherarkies Jun 2015 #99

Do you remember this? Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #93

My neighbor (in Iowa) has a confederate flag bumper sticker. progressoid Jun 2015 #94

At least he's not using a confederate or nazi flag. Hoyt Jun 2015 #104

My summary of the OP: Mr.Bill Jun 2015 #107

Racism chev52 Jun 2015 #108

If someone from outer space were looking... dakdirty Jun 2015 #109

Another reply chev52 Jun 2015 #161

If that's what you think... dakdirty Jun 2015 #165

Did you take a wrong turn at Alburqueque? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #112

I have a 60 lb terrier mix, and a 6 lb chihuahua. That little dog can hate on that big terrier all jtuck004 Jun 2015 #117

Rhetorical? chev52 Jun 2015 #160

you mad bro? irisblue Jun 2015 #132

Mad? chev52 Jun 2015 #159

ignore list for a 63 poster... irisblue Jun 2015 #162

How is any of this thread productive?? Fearless Jun 2015 #110

We cannot remove a thing when we deny the full breadth of its existence... LanternWaste Jun 2015 #168

No one is denying anything. Fearless Jun 2015 #171

Thank you, Will Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #114

Quote from Dave Chappell: King_Klonopin Jun 2015 #115

even though... handmade34 Jun 2015 #116

THANK YOU. nt raccoon Jun 2015 #118

Thank you Will. janlyn Jun 2015 #124

I was hoping to see the end of racism in at least this country before I die. L0oniX Jun 2015 #125

The difference, of course, is that one group is still trying to relive the "glory days." n/t Gore1FL Jun 2015 #128

chicago RoccoRyg Jun 2015 #129

I don't know why... Unca Jim Jun 2015 #137

You don't see it much here in Seattle. Sunlight is a good disinfectsnt and all that. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #141

Every where's riddled with bigots... MellowDem Jun 2015 #148

As awful as that is - and it ann--- Jun 2015 #151

It's odd that focusing rather on the thought-provoking substance of your post LanternWaste Jun 2015 #167

Yes, but most of it did happen in South Boston KamaAina Jun 2015 #169