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96. Considering suicide by gun is successful about 85 percent of the time and

Sun Jun 21, 2015, 12:52 AM

Jun 2015

suicide by pill somewhere around 5% and more than half of all successful suicides are done with guns. There's no epidemic of people intentionally hanging themselves or intentionally overdosing on drugs.

And given that while the non-firearm rate of suicide is the same in states that have tighter gun control as in states without, the rate of suicides by firearm are substantially higher in those states that lack gun control laws. So you can't really argue that people will just find some other method as the numbers don't bear that out.

These facts brought to you by the smarties at Harvard:

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine-features/guns-and-suicide-the-hidden-toll/

So no, it's not wrong to include suicides in the death toll brought about by guns.

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Clinton calls for new gun control laws, outflanking Sanders [View all] BainsBane Jun 2015 OP

So what laws is she proposing? Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #1

Pfft... She is making noise, but it is all sound & thunder. There will be no action. peacebird Jun 2015 #3

As long as people like you dismiss gun control BainsBane Jun 2015 #15

Puhlease. Give it a rest Bainsbane. I have been for guncontrol forever. I do not trust HRC or You peacebird Jun 2015 #22

If you cared about gun control BainsBane Jun 2015 #34

LOL! peacebird Jun 2015 #40

If you guys cared about gun control, you wouldn't... beevul Jun 2015 #50

seems to happen all the time Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #59

Attacking Hillary is one thing but when you go after another DU member like that William769 Jun 2015 #95

"too many Americans allow it." Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #113

Factually, you are likely very incorrect. Sheepshank Jun 2015 #36

If it's that easy, maybe Bernie can play too BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #61

listen to the speech. That's what I'm doing now. BainsBane Jun 2015 #5

I tend to avoid speeches Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #10

Then you will have to rely on what the media tells you about candidates BainsBane Jun 2015 #12

Nope Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #16

She wants to keep "guns out of the hands of those with hearts filled with hate." aikoaiko Jun 2015 #25

"just universal background checks"? That's a lot more than Bernie is proposing. nt pnwmom Jun 2015 #28

Same ones she's always been proposing for decades? L0oniX Jun 2015 #72

She can start by shaming those who promote more gunz, lax laws, toting everywhere, etc. Hoyt Jun 2015 #78

heck, we have been doing that to the open carry knuckleheads Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #82

Yeah, gungeoneers cheer every time Republicans enact open carry laws. You guys promote more guns, Hoyt Jun 2015 #85

Not true but that does not matter Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #90

UBC is the only decent idea I've heard nationally Recursion Jun 2015 #109

MSM, I wish you wouldn't use Sports/Military speak when orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #2

It would be nice if the Democratic Presidential candidates guillaumeb Jun 2015 #4

I wish you would consider BainsBane Jun 2015 #7

Whe I use the term "whores" in my posts, guillaumeb Jun 2015 #14

Bernie Sanders. orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #8

Sad thing is, we cannot believe this of some of the candidates - "and actually govern on them djean111 Jun 2015 #9

The eternal conflict between rhetoric and reality. guillaumeb Jun 2015 #17

I would not use whores Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #13

I choose definition 6 guillaumeb Jun 2015 #20

Do you mean 3? Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #24

I do. My face is red. I meant the 6th definition in the series. eom. guillaumeb Jun 2015 #27

What polls are you looking at? former9thward Jun 2015 #26

I was not speaking of gun issues specifically. Polling on issues rather than labels guillaumeb Jun 2015 #32

A President can't govern on the positions without a Congress as progressive as the President. n/t pnwmom Jun 2015 #31

No argument there. guillaumeb Jun 2015 #37

^^^^^this^^^^ Sheepshank Jun 2015 #41

Check these positions: elleng Jun 2015 #53

I read some of the posts. guillaumeb Jun 2015 #115

I suspect that We the People would see to it; elleng Jun 2015 #116

True. The media does not seem to know how to categorize either O'Malley or Sanders. eom guillaumeb Jun 2015 #117

Right, and as to O'Malley, they fail MISERABLY. elleng Jun 2015 #118

Bernie was soliciting donations for the victims . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #6

That's nice BainsBane Jun 2015 #11

"... nicer to take action to prevent future victims." Um, no. Care for the CURRENT victims first. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #18

Um, yes. How many victims have been CURRENT then became PAST while some avoid the issue? wyldwolf Jun 2015 #23

Not sure how your cartoon changes the fact Bernie Sanders is trying to care for victims while cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #33

Doesn't change or clear anything, it's another ploy using media . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #39

While Hillary was making legislative proposals, okasha Jun 2015 #49

"Scoring points" BainsBane Jun 2015 #55

Not the least bit interested in the NRA or their talking points. I say what I think. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #58

Your entire argument is exactly what they say BainsBane Jun 2015 #65

you argument is lost when you have to lump suicide Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #75

Considering suicide by gun is successful about 85 percent of the time and mythology Jun 2015 #96

Funny as that Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #74

The next shooting has already happened BainsBane Jun 2015 #97

That is a nice idea for a social worker Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #80

If you have followed us firearms Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #19

If you recall BainsBane Jun 2015 #56

is that when they loaded it up with the new Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #57

Yeah. You were a big proponent of the assault weapon ban, and magazine restrictions. beevul Jun 2015 #67

Probably not Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #76

Senior Senator, Presidential Candidate, Millionaire Before office orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #21

like Obama, JFK, and FDR? BainsBane Jun 2015 #60

Having money and beg, borrowing, and charging ridiculous fees, isn't orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #110

looks like you hit a nerve... quickesst Jun 2015 #83

I'm curious... toshiba783 Jun 2015 #92

I know Hillary used that like this to spew Poetry & Platitudes . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #111

She is way ahead on this. leftofcool Jun 2015 #29

Obama said almost the same thing in 2007-08 tularetom Jun 2015 #30

You clearly paid no attention to the legislative battles on this issue BainsBane Jun 2015 #42

You have clearly misunderstood my post. I'm glad Obama hasn't pushed any gun control measures tularetom Jun 2015 #47

Indeed. Many fine words produced no buttered parsnips... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #48

the legislation was about background checks BainsBane Jun 2015 #69

Again, you are reading into my post a lot of words that are not there tularetom Jun 2015 #73

It was a very good speech, with compassion, just what we expect of a president. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #35

This is a point in her favor. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2015 #38

Indeed it is BainsBane Jun 2015 #43

O'Malley is also strong on gun control BainsBane Jun 2015 #44

Thanks. I will check out his record. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2015 #45

Yesterday: elleng Jun 2015 #51

Very powerful statement 4now Jun 2015 #62

Good, I'm glad to hear it, 4now. elleng Jun 2015 #63

A call for gun control laws is a nice campaign sound bite Autumn Jun 2015 #46

Hillary is just taking advantage of Charleston IMO. L0oniX Jun 2015 #71

Hillary making gun control an issue in this campaign will be interesting to see. Autumn Jun 2015 #91

"Sanders hails from Vermont, a rural state that lacks virtually any gun regulations and he seems Cha Jun 2015 #52

Governor O'Malley said this: elleng Jun 2015 #64

That was fantastic BainsBane Jun 2015 #66

Thanks, BainsBane. elleng Jun 2015 #68

Yes by all means let her ensure that guns become a major issue of the Democratic presidential Autumn Jun 2015 #84

No, its not just about VT anymore. aikoaiko Jun 2015 #88

I'm for Hillary bluestateguy Jun 2015 #54

She could have done that anytime before Charleston. What's her stance on all the cops killing blacks L0oniX Jun 2015 #70

Another 'fail' when it comes to the general election. eom Purveyor Jun 2015 #77

K & R Iliyah Jun 2015 #79

And that's where coattails okasha Jun 2015 #86

I will concede that Clinton is more pro-gun control than Sanders. Nobody's perfect. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #81

Its kind of strange that the author describes HRCs stance as outflanking Sanders... aikoaiko Jun 2015 #87

Everything she does or says is strategic. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #89

How would the author know Clinton's motivations? BainsBane Jun 2015 #94

She gave a powerful speech William769 Jun 2015 #93

More calculation. Not a BAD thing in a politician, but not terribly inspiring either. Bonobo Jun 2015 #98

That's sure to draw independents and disenfranchised republicans frylock Jun 2015 #99

I so hope you are still here come nomination day! William769 Jun 2015 #100

i've been here a minute frylock Jun 2015 #101

You mean when Hillary gives her equally powerful concession speech, just like in 2008? LAGC Jun 2015 #108

Yes, well BainsBane Jun 2015 #102

Yes, Bernie Sanders doesn't care about human life. frylock Jun 2015 #103

You have just argued that promoting gun control will lose the precious Republican BainsBane Jun 2015 #105

this is hilarious.. frylock Jun 2015 #106

Sounds like DiFi pushing for assault weapons ban after Sandy Hook AND helping Republicans filibuster cascadiance Jun 2015 #104

Uh, Hillary is not in the Senate. Did that little tidbit escape you? leftofcool Jun 2015 #107

She's done a 180 on gun control since 2008 and she'll do it again tularetom Jun 2015 #112

I don't know if I trust her particularly BainsBane Jun 2015 #114