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MH1

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11. Laws -- CAN -- make a difference. The problem ....

Sun Jun 21, 2015, 09:47 AM

Jun 2015

is that we have a broken political system, disengaged citizens, and a hugely wealthy set of stakeholders deeply invested in keeping their blood-soaked profits flowing.

Resulting in so-called "reforms" like Manchin-Toomey (those two names should set off all kinds of warning bells), which would have supposedly strengthened and expanded background checks, at the too-dear cost of requiring reciprocity in the wrong direction between states on gun laws ... i.e. someone legally allowed to carry a weapon in Florida would now be legal to carry in Pennsylvania, even though PA's requirements for a permit are stricter.

People wanted stronger background checks ... so Manchin-Toomey tried to use that as cover to get through a change that gun-lovers have been salivating over for a long time. Personally, I expect that whatever changes this legislation had made to supposedly expand background checks, would have been either incomplete, unworkable, unenforceable, or some combination thereof. I don't trust either one of those politicians as far as I can throw them. I especially don't trust Toomey. Manchin at least is nominally a Dem and votes with Dems on some things.

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WONDERFUL! This is what happened when Australia introduced tight gun controls [View all] RiverLover Jun 2015 OP

'But states rights!' - Bernie fans wyldwolf Jun 2015 #1

Not all Bernie fans agree on this one, obviously. RiverLover Jun 2015 #2

Yeah you're right. Reply should have been... wyldwolf Jun 2015 #3

'But states rights!' - Bernie Sanders AlbertCat Jun 2015 #26

So wyldwolf and the NRA have this much in common: brentspeak Jun 2015 #8

'In Reversal, the NRA Embraces States' Rights' wyldwolf Jun 2015 #10

no. what he believed was that states could best manage background checks magical thyme Jun 2015 #25

So states can best manage... wyldwolf Jun 2015 #38

last I saw, communities and states manage voter registration. and the states manage magical thyme Jun 2015 #53

So he's a states rights advocate wyldwolf Jun 2015 #56

your attempt to link Bernie to the slave states that own the "states rights" meme magical thyme Jun 2015 #78

So he isn't a states rights advocate on guns? wyldwolf Jun 2015 #79

No 2- word soundbite accurately summarizes Bernie's thinking about gun control magical thyme Jun 2015 #80

So his position is convoluted? wyldwolf Jun 2015 #81

oh ffs. if a 2-word soundbite doesn't do it, a single word doesn't either. it's a complex magical thyme Jun 2015 #82

Most of them probably make up their own minds, rather than blindly cheerleading. Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #20

he believed gun control could best be managed at the state level. that's not the same as state's magical thyme Jun 2015 #23

What else can be best managed at the state level? wyldwolf Jun 2015 #39

voter registration is handled by state & community. ACAs are state level unless magical thyme Jun 2015 #54

So he's a states rights advocate wyldwolf Jun 2015 #55

Different mentality over here, mate. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2015 #4

Yep, and population. prayin4rain Jun 2015 #7

Australia didn't remove all guns. 1/3 were bought back. And restrictions were put in place. RiverLover Jun 2015 #9

It must have to do with Americans loving their guns. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2015 #12

Yep, it's a damn shame. n/t prayin4rain Jun 2015 #14

A gay friend of mine told me that the Aussie men don't have to compensate for their size with guns. LiberalArkie Jun 2015 #31

Bazinga! U4ikLefty Jun 2015 #67

Americans also believe owning an SUV is about freedom. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #35

I certainly approve this post. BlueJazz Jun 2015 #5

K&r from a firearm owner in favor of sensible restrictions on firearms. Scuba Jun 2015 #6

So great to know there are gun owners like you, Scuba. RiverLover Jun 2015 #27

The reality is that a clear majority of gun owners are like Scuba eridani Jun 2015 #66

K&R from another firearm owner in favor of sensible restrictions on firearms! peacebird Jun 2015 #33

Laws -- CAN -- make a difference. The problem .... MH1 Jun 2015 #11

Excellent points. RiverLover Jun 2015 #13

K & R Thespian2 Jun 2015 #15

"Because of the proliferation of guns, America is one of the most dangerous countries in the world" EX500rider Jun 2015 #41

How about countries like us...? Bigmack Jun 2015 #58

I am glad we aren't Venezuela that's for sure.. EX500rider Jun 2015 #61

Over 14,800 homicides in 2012... Thespian2 Jun 2015 #75

"Are you saying that 14,800+ homicides do not make America one of the most dangerous of nations?" EX500rider Jun 2015 #76

Okay. Thespian2 Jun 2015 #77

Outstanding Posts..Thanks .big K AND R... post and link say everything there is to say....nt Stuart G Jun 2015 #16

"This is what we should have done after Newtown/Sandy Hook" George II Jun 2015 #17

I concede, you are right. I am wrong. /nt RiverLover Jun 2015 #22

I think here the problem is the 2nd Amendment treestar Jun 2015 #18

This ISNT TAKING AWAY PEOPLE's GUNS. That's a RW meme that Fox has spread even to us on the left. RiverLover Jun 2015 #24

No but in comparison with Australia and other countries treestar Jun 2015 #37

That is a difference, & it would be relevant if we wanted to take away their right to bear arms. RiverLover Jun 2015 #40

Australia's was compulsory, so you can understand why we assumed you meant compulsory. prayin4rain Jun 2015 #46

Compulsory for certain types of guns only. Do you need a semi-automatic? RiverLover Jun 2015 #48

No, certainly I do not think any regular citizen does. prayin4rain Jun 2015 #49

How many pistols are not semi auto? clffrdjk Jun 2015 #83

I can get behind this madokie Jun 2015 #19

Gun Grabber!!!!!! RiverLover Jun 2015 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author RiverLover Jun 2015 #47

Second Admendment, 2nd Admendment, II Admendment, SECOND AD, 2 AD packman Jun 2015 #21

No one wants to prevent Americans' right to bear arms. RiverLover Jun 2015 #28

John Oliver did a great series on this on the Daily Show. DanTex Jun 2015 #29

The SCotUS would not permit banning all semi-autos.... Adrahil Jun 2015 #32

What really happened in Australia were Australians burying a lot of guns in their back yards. EL34x4 Jun 2015 #34

I can see how the NRA would spin it that way. RiverLover Jun 2015 #42

You're right about needing the strong will of the people. EL34x4 Jun 2015 #44

OMG that's so true, and so awful RiverLover Jun 2015 #45

Speaking of spin Shamash Jun 2015 #57

Our president disagrees with your spin, & acc to Factcheck, it is indeed in the eye of the beholder RiverLover Jun 2015 #70

You missed something Shamash Jun 2015 #73

Read the fact check article. It really is debatable. Both sides. RiverLover Jun 2015 #74

But Australia doesn't have major gun manufacturers TexasBushwhacker Jun 2015 #36

"A decade of gun massacres had seen more than 100 people shot dead." Contrary1 Jun 2015 #43

Yes, this was essentially a gun ban. Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #50

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #52

South Korea as well davidpdx Jun 2015 #62

K&R..... daleanime Jun 2015 #51

I don't understand why anyone, anywhere would need to carry a weapon, polly7 Jun 2015 #59

Possibly this? Shamash Jun 2015 #60

I'm fully for a woman, or anyone's right to choose. polly7 Jun 2015 #64

Remember that fear is subjective Shamash Jun 2015 #68

I don't argue with people who believe it's fine to openly carry around guns at the expense of polly7 Jun 2015 #69

Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #72

The question is how many more shootings and deaths will it take before something is done? davidpdx Jun 2015 #63

Australia doesn't have anything similar to our 2nd amendment. roamer65 Jun 2015 #65

It is more pre-apocalyptic than frontierland mentality. Baitball Blogger Jun 2015 #71