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Shamash

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57. Speaking of spin

Sun Jun 21, 2015, 06:15 PM

Jun 2015

The Australian government has admitted that it only got about one-third of the guns it expected to in the mandatory buy-back.

And the number of deliberate events qualifying as mass deaths in the 19 years since the ban is the same as in the 25 years before it, with an average death toll per year that is virtually the same. The only difference was that fewer guns were used, though with the same number of people dying per year, that would seem to be of little consolation to the victims. However, that is merely according to this, so there may be additional incidents not listed on either side of the ban.

If you have additional information on the subject, it would certainly be useful. But implications of "NRA spin" or that anyone who disagrees with you is taking an NRA position, not so much.

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WONDERFUL! This is what happened when Australia introduced tight gun controls [View all] RiverLover Jun 2015 OP

'But states rights!' - Bernie fans wyldwolf Jun 2015 #1

Not all Bernie fans agree on this one, obviously. RiverLover Jun 2015 #2

Yeah you're right. Reply should have been... wyldwolf Jun 2015 #3

'But states rights!' - Bernie Sanders AlbertCat Jun 2015 #26

So wyldwolf and the NRA have this much in common: brentspeak Jun 2015 #8

'In Reversal, the NRA Embraces States' Rights' wyldwolf Jun 2015 #10

no. what he believed was that states could best manage background checks magical thyme Jun 2015 #25

So states can best manage... wyldwolf Jun 2015 #38

last I saw, communities and states manage voter registration. and the states manage magical thyme Jun 2015 #53

So he's a states rights advocate wyldwolf Jun 2015 #56

your attempt to link Bernie to the slave states that own the "states rights" meme magical thyme Jun 2015 #78

So he isn't a states rights advocate on guns? wyldwolf Jun 2015 #79

No 2- word soundbite accurately summarizes Bernie's thinking about gun control magical thyme Jun 2015 #80

So his position is convoluted? wyldwolf Jun 2015 #81

oh ffs. if a 2-word soundbite doesn't do it, a single word doesn't either. it's a complex magical thyme Jun 2015 #82

Most of them probably make up their own minds, rather than blindly cheerleading. Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #20

he believed gun control could best be managed at the state level. that's not the same as state's magical thyme Jun 2015 #23

What else can be best managed at the state level? wyldwolf Jun 2015 #39

voter registration is handled by state & community. ACAs are state level unless magical thyme Jun 2015 #54

So he's a states rights advocate wyldwolf Jun 2015 #55

Different mentality over here, mate. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2015 #4

Yep, and population. prayin4rain Jun 2015 #7

Australia didn't remove all guns. 1/3 were bought back. And restrictions were put in place. RiverLover Jun 2015 #9

It must have to do with Americans loving their guns. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2015 #12

Yep, it's a damn shame. n/t prayin4rain Jun 2015 #14

A gay friend of mine told me that the Aussie men don't have to compensate for their size with guns. LiberalArkie Jun 2015 #31

Bazinga! U4ikLefty Jun 2015 #67

Americans also believe owning an SUV is about freedom. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #35

I certainly approve this post. BlueJazz Jun 2015 #5

K&r from a firearm owner in favor of sensible restrictions on firearms. Scuba Jun 2015 #6

So great to know there are gun owners like you, Scuba. RiverLover Jun 2015 #27

The reality is that a clear majority of gun owners are like Scuba eridani Jun 2015 #66

K&R from another firearm owner in favor of sensible restrictions on firearms! peacebird Jun 2015 #33

Laws -- CAN -- make a difference. The problem .... MH1 Jun 2015 #11

Excellent points. RiverLover Jun 2015 #13

K & R Thespian2 Jun 2015 #15

"Because of the proliferation of guns, America is one of the most dangerous countries in the world" EX500rider Jun 2015 #41

How about countries like us...? Bigmack Jun 2015 #58

I am glad we aren't Venezuela that's for sure.. EX500rider Jun 2015 #61

Over 14,800 homicides in 2012... Thespian2 Jun 2015 #75

"Are you saying that 14,800+ homicides do not make America one of the most dangerous of nations?" EX500rider Jun 2015 #76

Okay. Thespian2 Jun 2015 #77

Outstanding Posts..Thanks .big K AND R... post and link say everything there is to say....nt Stuart G Jun 2015 #16

"This is what we should have done after Newtown/Sandy Hook" George II Jun 2015 #17

I concede, you are right. I am wrong. /nt RiverLover Jun 2015 #22

I think here the problem is the 2nd Amendment treestar Jun 2015 #18

This ISNT TAKING AWAY PEOPLE's GUNS. That's a RW meme that Fox has spread even to us on the left. RiverLover Jun 2015 #24

No but in comparison with Australia and other countries treestar Jun 2015 #37

That is a difference, & it would be relevant if we wanted to take away their right to bear arms. RiverLover Jun 2015 #40

Australia's was compulsory, so you can understand why we assumed you meant compulsory. prayin4rain Jun 2015 #46

Compulsory for certain types of guns only. Do you need a semi-automatic? RiverLover Jun 2015 #48

No, certainly I do not think any regular citizen does. prayin4rain Jun 2015 #49

How many pistols are not semi auto? clffrdjk Jun 2015 #83

I can get behind this madokie Jun 2015 #19

Gun Grabber!!!!!! RiverLover Jun 2015 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author RiverLover Jun 2015 #47

Second Admendment, 2nd Admendment, II Admendment, SECOND AD, 2 AD packman Jun 2015 #21

No one wants to prevent Americans' right to bear arms. RiverLover Jun 2015 #28

John Oliver did a great series on this on the Daily Show. DanTex Jun 2015 #29

The SCotUS would not permit banning all semi-autos.... Adrahil Jun 2015 #32

What really happened in Australia were Australians burying a lot of guns in their back yards. EL34x4 Jun 2015 #34

I can see how the NRA would spin it that way. RiverLover Jun 2015 #42

You're right about needing the strong will of the people. EL34x4 Jun 2015 #44

OMG that's so true, and so awful RiverLover Jun 2015 #45

Speaking of spin Shamash Jun 2015 #57

Our president disagrees with your spin, & acc to Factcheck, it is indeed in the eye of the beholder RiverLover Jun 2015 #70

You missed something Shamash Jun 2015 #73

Read the fact check article. It really is debatable. Both sides. RiverLover Jun 2015 #74

But Australia doesn't have major gun manufacturers TexasBushwhacker Jun 2015 #36

"A decade of gun massacres had seen more than 100 people shot dead." Contrary1 Jun 2015 #43

Yes, this was essentially a gun ban. Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #50

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #52

South Korea as well davidpdx Jun 2015 #62

K&R..... daleanime Jun 2015 #51

I don't understand why anyone, anywhere would need to carry a weapon, polly7 Jun 2015 #59

Possibly this? Shamash Jun 2015 #60

I'm fully for a woman, or anyone's right to choose. polly7 Jun 2015 #64

Remember that fear is subjective Shamash Jun 2015 #68

I don't argue with people who believe it's fine to openly carry around guns at the expense of polly7 Jun 2015 #69

Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #72

The question is how many more shootings and deaths will it take before something is done? davidpdx Jun 2015 #63

Australia doesn't have anything similar to our 2nd amendment. roamer65 Jun 2015 #65

It is more pre-apocalyptic than frontierland mentality. Baitball Blogger Jun 2015 #71