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Lionel Mandrake

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Sun Jun 21, 2015, 08:39 PM Jun 2015

Our broken jury servitude system [View all]

Our jury servitude system provides an almost unlimited labor force which is forced to work for almost nothing. The court system wastes jurors' time in many ways: keeping jurors idle for hours in jury assembly rooms, sending hordes of them to courtrooms where they sit idly once again, waiting for the interminable voir dire process to exclude most of them, etc. The court system does all this because it has little incentive to use jurors' time efficiently.

An integral part of this economic distortion is excessive use of what are called peremptory challenges (defined below). We Americans pay little attention to how similar problems have been solved elsewhere in the world. Once when my time was being wasted in a jury assembly room and a judge came by to give the usual pep talk, I asked him what he thought about peremptory challenges. He said that of course he had his opinions but declined to say what they were. I mentioned that peremptory challenges had been abolished in England. The judge said that was interesting - he hadn't been aware of that. (!)

Today's LA Times has an editorial about peremptory challenges:

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-peremptory-challenges-in-misdemeanor-trials-ab87-20150621-story.html

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Our broken jury servitude system [View all] Lionel Mandrake Jun 2015 OP
I recall a comedian saying he'd hate to be judged by a jury of his peers AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #1
And that same comedian probably does not vote because he does not want to be bothered. former9thward Jun 2015 #6
My son just served 10 days here in SF. AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #11
Agree. enlightenment Jun 2015 #13
Historians, engineers, lawyers, and other educated people are often challenged peremptorily Lionel Mandrake Jun 2015 #17
I don't shirk my jury duty either, but I am never seated. MADem Jun 2015 #26
Plus One JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #27
My views are too wacky to ever actually be seated on a jury bluestateguy Jun 2015 #2
You are the type of people we need on juries. former9thward Jun 2015 #9
Yeah I got called, too. bmbmd Jun 2015 #3
I've been getting called twice a year ever Jamastiene Jun 2015 #19
I'm over 40 and have never received a jury summons, period alcibiades_mystery Jun 2015 #24
57 here and never been called either. I think it seems strange too. nt Mnemosyne Jun 2015 #25
I have seen some jurists who was on top of their game and some wasn't. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #4
It doesn't bother me. pintobean Jun 2015 #5
I was a law clerk to two trial judges. hifiguy Jun 2015 #7
I'd be afraid to say that out loud ... Ino Jun 2015 #16
You can discuss it privately at the bench with the judge and the attorneys. goldent Jun 2015 #35
+1 nt Live and Learn Jun 2015 #22
My former employer paid for jury duty leave eridani Jun 2015 #8
I haven't been called for jury duty in years, Blue_In_AK Jun 2015 #10
As long as one can challenge a juror for cause -- ie, a racist, gun lover for Roof's jury -- I could Hoyt Jun 2015 #12
I was one of the strikes gwheezie Jun 2015 #14
I am always excused on peremptories pinboy3niner Jun 2015 #15
I had a bad cold gwheezie Jun 2015 #18
Some time back, maybe as long as ten years ago, SheilaT Jun 2015 #20
Interesting. Might really be the most fair way to do it. nt Live and Learn Jun 2015 #23
I wish I could remember more details. SheilaT Jun 2015 #31
I'm in England; I did jury duty a few years ago, and it's roughly as you describe muriel_volestrangler Jun 2015 #33
Thank you. SheilaT Jun 2015 #36
I'd love to see John Oliver do an exposé on this. Initech Jun 2015 #21
I've served on several panels.. sendero Jun 2015 #28
For me 1939 Jun 2015 #29
I've never been called or served on jury duty davidpdx Jun 2015 #30
In Hawaii, I served where it was limited to 3 peremtory taught_me_patience Jun 2015 #32
I've been on two juries. alarimer Jun 2015 #34
Yes, $15/day is ridiculous. Lionel Mandrake Jun 2015 #37
My employer pays me LWolf Jun 2015 #38
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