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9. Is there any ulterior motive in trying to link me to Scalia?

Sun Jun 21, 2015, 09:58 PM

Jun 2015

This is US Constitution 101. Freedom of speech, freedom to marry, the right to a jury trial, separation of church and state, freedom from forced self-incrimination, and all that.

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No-nonsense gun control in the US. It really does exist. [View all] DanTex Jun 2015 OP

Unconstitutional derby378 Jun 2015 #1

False. Of course, you never know how Scalia and the rest of the crazies will decide to re-interpret DanTex Jun 2015 #2

Unless you are unaware of the requirements of the NFA... derby378 Jun 2015 #6

You and Scalia think it's unconstitutional, of course. But there isn't any precedent at the moment DanTex Jun 2015 #7

Is there any ulterior motive in trying to link me to Scalia? derby378 Jun 2015 #9

You are echoing Scalia's beliefs on the second amendment. No ulterior motive, just a fact. DanTex Jun 2015 #12

No, I'm echoing the Constitution's position on the Second Amendment, that's all derby378 Jun 2015 #14

No, you are echoing Scalia's opinion on Heller. In fact, you are reading more into Scalia's opinion DanTex Jun 2015 #18

The old cannard that "the Second Amendment doesn't apply to the people" will be gone soon enough derby378 Jun 2015 #21

I'm not aware of that canard. But I agree that the next SCOTUS will have some important decisions DanTex Jun 2015 #22

I see a bit of debate between you and derby378 above rock Jun 2015 #67

Why should it more difficult for a person in NYC if he is a law abiding person? theycallmetrinity Jun 2015 #10

That's a separate question, of course. I brought up NYC as a response to the constitutionality DanTex Jun 2015 #13

It shouldn't be easier nor should it be harder if it's being done legally theycallmetrinity Jun 2015 #17

"Being done legally" depends on what the laws are. In NYC the laws are very stringent. DanTex Jun 2015 #19

Are you sure? derby378 Jun 2015 #23

We're talking about different laws here. But, yes, New Yorkers are happy with both. DanTex Jun 2015 #24

Duly noted - my bad derby378 Jun 2015 #27

Seriously? treestar Jun 2015 #51

I don't know if that is the case theycallmetrinity Jun 2015 #30

People in NYC think it should. DanTex Jun 2015 #31

I think maybe we are getting our wires crossed here theycallmetrinity Jun 2015 #37

$400 is not prohibitive. Also, people with less means suffer the most from gun violence and DanTex Jun 2015 #39

I then will agree to disagree with you on this point theycallmetrinity Jun 2015 #40

It's easier to buy beer in NH than in MA Recursion Jun 2015 #63

D.C. v. Heller did not overturn U.S. v. Miller ThoughtCriminal Jun 2015 #48

This is true, and for the following application derby378 Jun 2015 #49

Heller only prohibited outright bans like DC had Recursion Jun 2015 #62

You do realize that the Supreme Court held against individual ownership 4 times... Sancho Jun 2015 #54

Miller, Heller, and McDonald all confirmed the NFA Recursion Jun 2015 #60

YEAH! What you said! flamin lib Jun 2015 #3

Did you actually read the post, or just skim it? cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #4

Well, I didn't say that. Banning isn't necessary. There are plenty of countries where handguns DanTex Jun 2015 #8

They would have to hire tens of thousands of more agents theycallmetrinity Jun 2015 #5

Maybe, maybe not. But even if they did, it would be worth it. DanTex Jun 2015 #11

What you are proposing and it might be unintentional is theycallmetrinity Jun 2015 #15

Not really. A decent gun already costs $300-$500. If you can afford that, you can also afford DanTex Jun 2015 #20

The price will go up for the stamp if eveything is NFA theycallmetrinity Jun 2015 #26

Perhaps, and I have no problem with that. The important thing is the tens of thousands of lives DanTex Jun 2015 #29

I have a problem with it theycallmetrinity Jun 2015 #32

Well, you already need "means" to buy a gun, if "means" means a few hundred dollars. DanTex Jun 2015 #34

Not really theycallmetrinity Jun 2015 #36

Shotguns wouldn't be NFAed, so the cost of a shotgun wouldn't change. DanTex Jun 2015 #38

This could be the law of unintended consequences theycallmetrinity Jun 2015 #43

Manufacture of new automatic weapons is already illegal. So is modifying a semi-auto DanTex Jun 2015 #44

Right but the NFA is to control automatics and suppressor tranfers theycallmetrinity Jun 2015 #45

Well, then the new law would have to reinstate the 1986 ban on automatics. DanTex Jun 2015 #46

Like I wrote it happened here with the assault weapon registry theycallmetrinity Jun 2015 #47

Most giuns aren't all that cheap already. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #59

When you add it all up Shamash Jun 2015 #25

Well, if the NRA is as weak and poor as you say, then maybe there is hope after all. DanTex Jun 2015 #28

Not as poor or weak as I say Shamash Jun 2015 #33

No, I don't think they are poor and weak. I think they are a strong, very effective special DanTex Jun 2015 #35

Fair enough Shamash Jun 2015 #41

I disagree that all 80 million gun owners side with the NRA, and there is plenty of DanTex Jun 2015 #42

Let's be clear on the definition of that Shamash Jun 2015 #50

Sorry, but a $200 registration to own a gun is not "classist". DanTex Jun 2015 #53

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That's a good point. I'm not advocating for that. I'm also not advocating a poll tax. DanTex Jun 2015 #57

Good! Shamash Jun 2015 #61

Good. So now we can talk about gun control, which is a necessary public safety measure. DanTex Jun 2015 #64

I seem to be missing your point Shamash Jun 2015 #68

Without gun murders, the US would not be an outlier in terms of homicide rates among wealthy nations DanTex Jun 2015 #69

Disagree on a number of grounds Shamash Jun 2015 #70

OK, one by one. DanTex Jun 2015 #71

Gee, all those new jobs, well, that would be terrible now, wouldn't it! calimary Jun 2015 #16

Some clarification Lee-Lee Jun 2015 #52

Yes, in addition to NFAing handguns, they should also fix the corporation/LLC loophole. DanTex Jun 2015 #55

Funny, the RKBA group discusses the NFA all the time Recursion Jun 2015 #58

Hmm. The gungeon representatives who chimed in here don't seem very positive about NFA. DanTex Jun 2015 #65

His is definitely a minority position in the RKBA group Recursion Jun 2015 #66