General Discussion

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,756 posts)

129. IMHO

Mon Jun 22, 2015, 07:27 AM

Jun 2015

IMHO, the reason Hillary Clinton has inherited so many of Barack Obama's supporters is because she and him occupy roughly the same space on the ideological spectrum and the differences are more a function of style than substance. That's why the 2008 primary became so nasty because the arguments were about personality. Well, that and the fact they were fighting over the same thing. That's why zero sum games are so toxic and why we need to expand the pie but that's a debate for another day.

I see a lot of posters arguing that HRC is much more hawkish than BHO but I would argue that's more tone than anything and the debacle of the Iraq invasion is going to make any president, Democratic or Republican, regardless of their rhetoric reluctant to sign on to a large scale invasion anywhere.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

136 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Bernie Sanders Enthusiasm Gap [View all] ellisonz Jun 2015 OP

There Will Always Be Nattering Nabobs Of Negativity cantbeserious Jun 2015 #1

Ah, another well thought out counter argument. MoonRiver Jun 2015 #9

Well Turned Phrase Used By Many Over The Years cantbeserious Jun 2015 #14

Yes who can forget the great Spiro Agnew? zappaman Jun 2015 #18

Negativity Is Negativity cantbeserious Jun 2015 #21

interesting, a phrase used by Agnew to describe the media uncovering Nixon's crimes bigtree Jun 2015 #33

I don't believe you possibly can. okasha Jun 2015 #102

Ridicule - A Common Technique Used When Nothing Better Is Offered cantbeserious Jun 2015 #105

See your own post #1 for a sterling example. okasha Jun 2015 #107

One Would Observe That Your Post Underscores The Tone Of Negativity cantbeserious Jun 2015 #108

Nothing negative about it. okasha Jun 2015 #110

One Would Disagree cantbeserious Jun 2015 #111

The line was actually written by this guy DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #67

And from Spiro Agnew, cwydro Jun 2015 #39

Hard to respond to absurdity kenfrequed Jun 2015 #130

He has plenty of time! nt nc4bo Jun 2015 #2

Pure mythology swilton Jun 2015 #3

It's "mythology" supported by polling data. BainsBane Jun 2015 #4

The polling data in '08 was closer to mythology. SaranchaIsWaiting Jun 2015 #31

I want a "political revolution" tee. azmom Jun 2015 #28

Which explains the repeated smear attempts against him AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #29

I would argue that video illustrates the problem perfectly Egnever Jun 2015 #34

Yet there is no problem AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #43

there was less diversity than i would have liked to have seen fizzgig Jun 2015 #56

I do believe that's Denver, okasha Jun 2015 #103

"I haven't heard of him, to be honest." Let's check back in a few months. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #5

at this point in 1975 localroger Jun 2015 #13

Nobody outside of Georgia hifiguy Jun 2015 #16

Good point. eom Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #124

Yes, let the Latino voters learn more about him. For instance lunamagica Jun 2015 #19

Your post is dishonest. Sanders addresses immigration reform. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #53

Are you calling me a liar? lunamagica Jun 2015 #62

Your post is dishonest because it implies Sanders doesn't care about immigration reform. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #70

Your post started and ended with a personal attack on me lunamagica Jun 2015 #73

Your post was deliberately dishonest. HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #92

What kind of lesson? DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #109

You are wrong... ljm2002 Jun 2015 #98

Rut-Roh. I may have accidentally alerted on this. If that's what a pink bar below and the brewens Jun 2015 #64

I saw the same thing and was wondering how I could have sent an alert. Must be a glitch or something think Jun 2015 #71

I get it. I clicked on the link of an alerted post, got distracted and when I got back brewens Jun 2015 #83

Bernie Sanders sponsored 45 pieces of legislation on immigration matters PotatoChip Jun 2015 #65

Much thanks. SaranchaIsWaiting Jun 2015 #68

here are the links you requested lunamagica Jun 2015 #69

Both of those statements were completely taken out of context by you. PotatoChip Jun 2015 #74

GMAB. Keep convincing yourself of that lunamagica Jun 2015 #77

You omitted important portions of the article. PotatoChip Jun 2015 #85

Here DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #76

The man grew up in very culturally and racially diverse Brooklyn. PotatoChip Jun 2015 #82

My aunt lived on Flatbush Avenue until 1970... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #87

The actions of elected members of the Legislative branch of the US Government PotatoChip Jun 2015 #93

That's a good and fair argument. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #95

I know. You were right about that. I checked it out, and PotatoChip Jun 2015 #96

A lot of them, well their grandchildren and grand grandchildren are moving back... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #101

Oh Dear! False Alert!! I just hit the alert as i was scrolling ( on phone). misterhighwasted Jun 2015 #66

I thought it was me..... CherokeeDem Jun 2015 #134

I just got an notice my alert was sent.... CherokeeDem Jun 2015 #133

uhm.. kenfrequed Jun 2015 #131

KATE is obviously clueless concerning the youth. L0oniX Jun 2015 #6

$2.5 billion buys a fair amount of "enthusiasm" at the NYT and LAT. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #7

^^^ THIS ^^^ cantbeserious Jun 2015 #15

80 million millenials WilliamPitt Jun 2015 #8

My hopes are up for those who have been silent. SaranchaIsWaiting Jun 2015 #20

The polls showing wide minority support for Hillary don't sufrommich Jun 2015 #36

Not this yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #52

8 million members of the nation’s largest minority are expected to vote in the November elections bigtree Jun 2015 #44

It's true wyldwolf Jun 2015 #10

Sure didn't look that way last night in Boulder madokie Jun 2015 #12

Sounds like someone is a little late to the party madokie Jun 2015 #11

By addressing the NALEAO... ljm2002 Jun 2015 #17

Good for him! bettyellen Jun 2015 #22

Too bad the Republicans will fight to the end on the minimum wage... ellisonz Jun 2015 #42

Same thing would happen if Celine Dion and Lou Reed showed up at the same place. cui bono Jun 2015 #23

It's not an enthusiasm gap, it's a lack of familiarity with most of the field gap. AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #24

Exactly. cui bono Jun 2015 #25

Yes indeed. Cheers. AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #27

Interesting, the Democratic strategist is already lowering expectations in nh AND Iowa aikoaiko Jun 2015 #26

And the strategist is delivering a mealy mouth line about how it's good for Hillary Vinca Jun 2015 #30

First they ignore him AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #37

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jun 2015 #32

He is a superstar on Reddit... AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #40

Check the Facebook pages of Gawker, Raw Story, Salon, Mother Jones.. frylock Jun 2015 #46

So was Ron Paul. nt sufrommich Jun 2015 #51

only young white men JI7 Jun 2015 #97

Too bad he needs Latinos, AA's and women for the win! leftofcool Jun 2015 #61

And he will have them AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #99

That is so incredibly condescending. okasha Jun 2015 #113

Hillary supporters continually claim hardly anyone knows about Bernie AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #118

Actually, okasha Jun 2015 #120

Civil rights follow economic justice AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #121

"Once they become informed." NYC Liberal Jun 2015 #117

Informed to what Bernie is all about AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #119

Obama didn't catch Hillary in the polls until Feb 2008 virtualobserver Jun 2015 #35

At this time in the 08 cycle her lead was approximately fifteen points DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #112

I agree with your analysis of the 2008 election virtualobserver Jun 2015 #116

Bernie is a very good debater Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2015 #136

Wishful thinking daredtowork Jun 2015 #38

I think that supporting Hillary just because she is a woman does a great disservice to women. djean111 Jun 2015 #75

I totally agree with you davidpdx Jun 2015 #125

They're pushing the narrative ((paid to?) that Sanders supporters are old and white. Avalux Jun 2015 #41

It's not just old from the people I know. zappaman Jun 2015 #47

He was hugely popular on Colbert's show every time he appeared. arcane1 Jun 2015 #58

Projection AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #45

Which is good since Clinton's poll numbers are more than double of Sanders' zappaman Jun 2015 #48

LMAO! leftofcool Jun 2015 #59

And then there's this: hootinholler Jun 2015 #49

makes it sounds like his ownly supporters are yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #50

True HassleCat Jun 2015 #54

Folks want to have their feelings validated and it's up to a politician to validate them or not... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #88

this reporter's other gig grasswire Jun 2015 #55

We had a lot of enthusiasm, charisma ,and appeal for the last 3 Presidents, You tell me . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #57

Bill Clinton and Barack Obama have been outstanding presidents.... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #91

I agree with your last statement . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #94

It's still early... kentuck Jun 2015 #60

Name recognition gap... MellowDem Jun 2015 #63

If it's a name recognition gap why is the gap larger among African Americans and Latinos? DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #84

Because the people that would know Sanders... MellowDem Jun 2015 #100

Hillary inherited most of Obama's supporters AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #122

I find that surprising as well davidpdx Jun 2015 #126

IMHO DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #129

I live in a state where 25% (or more) were born outside of the US.... Sancho Jun 2015 #72

Obama lost the Latino vote 2-1 to Hillary, iirc BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #78

Greetings Fellow Sanders Supporters sgtbenobo Jun 2015 #79

Not all "low information voters" are republicans tularetom Jun 2015 #80

If I was a poster like Sancho or lunamagica I would feel marginalized by your comments DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #89

More like a media gap Bradical79 Jun 2015 #81

Kick and highly recommended! William769 Jun 2015 #86

Somebody wasn't in Denver yesterday. backscatter712 Jun 2015 #90

Young and old! Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2015 #106

No amount of screaming "STOP CAlLING HIM a RAciST!!11one" from his devout (and fairly frightening) Number23 Jun 2015 #104

Very true. lovemydog Jun 2015 #123

This post was alerted... SidDithers Jun 2015 #132

The devout and frightening supporters trying to do what they do best -- scare everybody else away Number23 Jun 2015 #135

Yes, Hillary's been one of the political elite for a very long time. Marr Jun 2015 #114

This makes Bernie good, Older white voters are what Dems need the most help with KelleyKramer Jun 2015 #115

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #127

Everyone of those officials will follow their constituents. CanadaexPat Jun 2015 #128