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Pooka Fey

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50. A USA dad can "honor kill" his daughter for refusing the husband he picked for her? Really?

Mon Jun 22, 2015, 08:49 AM

Jun 2015

Without having to worry about legal consequences because he is perfectly within his religious rights in our culture?

Is the USA a country where a young woman expects her parents to choose her husband for her? When did that happen?

In the USA, we have two concepts which you are confusing:

1) Domestic Violence which occurs between ADULTS in a romantic relationship, who may also live as spouses or domestic partners
2) Child Abuse - which is where an ADULT physically or mentally harms a CHILD in his/her care.

Pointless to discuss something that we can't clearly define first.

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Two girls murdered in Texas taxi: Were they honor killings? [View all] arely staircase Jun 2015 OP

Just a lone wolf.... brooklynite Jun 2015 #1

K&R & a small sob nt riderinthestorm Jun 2015 #2

"Science flies you to the moon and back. hifiguy Jun 2015 #3

One wonders if the victims of the Charleston church shooting would have agreed with that sentiment.. LanternWaste Jun 2015 #6

And another thread about women in America drops like a stone riderinthestorm Jun 2015 #4

+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2015 #10

Such as post 21, "Papa whacked his kids" NO he murdered his DAUGHTERS Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #22

No. Brickbat Jun 2015 #5

yeah, 'honor' doesn't belong in the term for what this is nr arely staircase Jun 2015 #8

Just disgusting. n/t prayin4rain Jun 2015 #7

Vanity can be really really dumb some times. lpbk2713 Jun 2015 #9

The narcissistic injury makes no sense from the outside (nt) Recursion Jun 2015 #32

Even Yahoo has more outrage about this than we do here. smirkymonkey Jun 2015 #11

The accused perp is Muslim Ex Lurker Jun 2015 #12

Of course, cultural relativism and all that. smirkymonkey Jun 2015 #17

Yes. Thank you. whathehell Jun 2015 #26

There's been some discussion here in the past struggle4progress Jun 2015 #21

What more can be said?! chervilant Jun 2015 #30

This behavior is not exclusive to Islam okasha Jun 2015 #13

I shit on your post. "Crimes of Passion" are between jilted LOVERS, not dads and their daughters Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #14

You can shit in tbe middle of your livingroom rug for all I care. okasha Jun 2015 #15

Okasha: "This behavior is not exclusive to Islam or to Third World cultures." Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #16

+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2015 #18

Agreed 100% romanic Jun 2015 #19

+100. nt whathehell Jun 2015 #27

Because we call them "family annihilators" here (nt) Recursion Jun 2015 #34

Sort of. When it happens in an Islamic context we call it an honor killing Recursion Jun 2015 #33

"I know how to invent an "Honor Killings" equivalent for the WEST - A new MADE UP word!!! Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #52

If you think I coined it you should probably read up on the subject (nt) Recursion Jun 2015 #53

The "I'm smarter than you" argument. CLASSY! Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #54

Not true, actually. Honor killings = domestic violence often. yardwork Jun 2015 #37

"Honor" killings are perpetrated because the killer believes the women are being unchaste. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #41

A USA dad can "honor kill" his daughter for refusing the husband he picked for her? Really? Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #50

Honor killings could include men who feel they have been dissed by boston bean Jun 2015 #38

Was just waiting for the leftynyc Jun 2015 #20

Clean 180 degree miss. okasha Jun 2015 #23

No -it's just more deflection leftynyc Jun 2015 #24

three women a day are murdered by their boyfriend or husband... boston bean Jun 2015 #39

Compare and contrast...objectively... tkmorris Jun 2015 #49

It takes a herculean effort to clean up after your falsifications Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #25

Again, "honor" killings are all but unheard of in the West, so whathehell Jun 2015 #28

No, they really aren't. Google "family annihilators" (nt) Recursion Jun 2015 #35

Family annihilation in the West is rare, and perhaps whathehell Jun 2015 #47

You are giving cover to the asshole honor besmirched killers here in the US. Why? boston bean Jun 2015 #40

I have no idea what you're talking about whathehell Jun 2015 #45

So, the types of killing I describe aren't committed against a woman? boston bean Jun 2015 #46

So now we're broadening the topic to include the entire subject of violence against women? whathehell Jun 2015 #56

But it does happen... boston bean Jun 2015 #57

Um, no. American and European families of non-Islamic heritage don't murder their kids for "honor" whathehell Jun 2015 #59

This thread is the conversational equivalent of an M.C. Escher lithograph Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #60

'The mind bending futility of modernity'. Yes, I agree! whathehell Jun 2015 #62

... Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #64

+1 Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #58

Given this egregious response, chervilant Jun 2015 #29

Very chilling Separation Jun 2015 #31

“Family Annihilators”: Understanding What Drives Fathers to Kill Recursion Jun 2015 #36

Family annihilators kill because they feel they are no longer the head of the household. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #42

That's the exact same thing Recursion Jun 2015 #43

I see a difference. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #44

I guess I see the "sin" in the Islamic case as secondary: he does it from shame Recursion Jun 2015 #51

PC precludes further comment. WinkyDink Jun 2015 #48

Honor Killings = Girls killed. Family Annihiliation = Boys and Girls killed. Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #55

You do realize Muslim fathers sometimes kill their sons, right? Recursion Jun 2015 #61

Yes, but again, this is not sanctionred, legally OR culturally in the West. whathehell Jul 2015 #65

Where is it "sanctioned" in southwest Asia? Imams issue fatwas against it Recursion Jul 2015 #66

Obviously, soutwest Asia is a small part of the Islamic World.. whathehell Jul 2015 #67

No, they were hate crimes. Gender-based murders should carry Federal penalties, as hate crimes. pnwmom Jun 2015 #63

They used to.. whathehell Jul 2015 #68