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BumRushDaShow

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22. I am not a "Hillary supporter" and want to know

Mon Jun 22, 2015, 12:54 PM

Jun 2015

why people keep dodging the question about his messaging?

The DU knee-jerk reaction to this question is almost always that this is some sort of "Hillary conspiracy". That's complete bullshit. The critique is trying to address the lack of substance beyond tossed-out Democratic platform planks regarding issues important to blacks and other minorities by this candidate. The special circumstances experienced by people of color need to be included and there needs to be acknowledgment that "economic equality" is never going to fix those special circumstances. When billionaire Oprah Winfrey is treated no different from a black homeless woman in Los Angeles or other urban area in terms of being denied service, how is "economic" disparity relevant?

There is no "dog-whistle" about asking this question but certainly the responses to the question continue to be dog-whistles about "winning over 'working class'" (in some cases even stating "working class whites&quot , which basically is code talk to say "fuck-you POC, we need whites to win".

The old saying - If you're white, you're alright. If you're black, step back.

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Dear Bernie, we cannot overcome our economic challenges without overcoming racism and sexism [View all] Yavin4 Jun 2015 OP

Your subject line sums it all up perfectly. Thank you! He seems to have a blind spot in that area. pnwmom Jun 2015 #1

His record says that is not the case. hifiguy Jun 2015 #2

Economic disadvantages especially through laws, breeds hate in those affected. TheNutcracker Jun 2015 #3

Racism is a separate problem from economic inequality. Fixing the latter pnwmom Jun 2015 #5

Like Affirmative Action? bettyellen Jun 2015 #9

Which Bernie supports as evidenced by his 97% rating from the NAACP. smokey nj Jun 2015 #83

The reference is to things he's been saying lately pnwmom Jun 2015 #4

He represents the state tha elected him. hifiguy Jun 2015 #10

I would have him realize that he could do a better job speaking to the concerns of pnwmom Jun 2015 #12

Some facts on Bernie hifiguy Jun 2015 #24

"He is saying plenty if people want to actually listen." Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #28

Pathetic, ain't it? hifiguy Jun 2015 #33

Yup shore 'nuf madokie Jun 2015 #39

The idiotic narrative has been adopted and will be pushed regardless of the facts you present. Vattel Jun 2015 #137

Apparently he should campaign to have more blacks and Hispanics move to VT HERVEPA Jun 2015 #52

It really does beggar the imagination. hifiguy Jun 2015 #63

So you say. I understand you need a upaloopa Jun 2015 #70

Her positions are a matter of record. hifiguy Jun 2015 #73

Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #77

I have pretty much figured it out upaloopa Jun 2015 #90

Do you have any idea how Republican that statement sounds? hifiguy Jun 2015 #96

Hillary seeking "saviour" status = CHAMPION Cosmic Kitten Jun 2015 #103

Up is down hifiguy Jun 2015 #107

Hillary supporters certainly like to make believe that is so LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #6

You're supposed to have forgotten hifiguy Jun 2015 #8

while i am disillioned now by obama Robbins Jun 2015 #13

Are you kidding me? leftofcool Jun 2015 #21

your forgetting Robbins Jun 2015 #34

Hmm. I remember all that crap too. I guess we are not supposed to do that. hifiguy Jun 2015 #45

I don't forget anything and I am well aware of who started the drug thing leftofcool Jun 2015 #79

You can believe what you want... Chan790 Jun 2015 #133

Sanders is indeed blind to these issues. leftofcool Jun 2015 #20

BS, and I posted links to prove it. hifiguy Jun 2015 #25

I disagreee, but at the same time if Black Americans are saying Bernie isnt addressing randys1 Jun 2015 #30

I think Jews have a little historical experience with social and economic injustice zazen Jun 2015 #36

And I did not say he was anything, i merely said if BLACK people say he is, then he is. randys1 Jun 2015 #37

Funny madokie Jun 2015 #40

right here on DU...yes they are randys1 Jun 2015 #44

Is this one of those rare instances where DU represents the views of The Real World? frylock Jun 2015 #50

I believe the AA community when they say Sanders isn't addressing their issues leftofcool Jun 2015 #80

And at the same time I wish Hillary would say she was for or against TPP randys1 Jun 2015 #95

His voting record would prove otherwise frylock Jun 2015 #49

Again with this false race-baiting bullshit? truebrit71 Jun 2015 #132

Confused. What did he say? n/t Dawgs Jun 2015 #7

I guess we're on to another month of hearing how Bernie Sanders doesn't get race issues Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #11

The Hillary campaign has clearly determined that attacking Sanders on "issues of race" Maedhros Jun 2015 #16

It's just the sleaziest form of street-fighting politics Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #19

The Clintons have repeatedly shown hifiguy Jun 2015 #35

If Black Americans are saying he isnt relating to them, then he isnt. randys1 Jun 2015 #32

I think it's mostly coming from the political campaign agenda and not too many actual real people Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #38

But I have Black friends here at DU who are saying it, and away from the internet. randys1 Jun 2015 #41

That's cool man. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #47

Why the obnoxious remark and refusal to address the issue? randys1 Jun 2015 #48

Uh sorry - You have an interesting point Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #53

I am not Black, those who are have said that he is not making their issues, racism, etc randys1 Jun 2015 #59

Are your black friends aware of Sanders activism and voting record? frylock Jun 2015 #54

Great question, you can ask them, then they can explain to you what they want and randys1 Jun 2015 #56

I'd be more than happy to ask your black friends.. frylock Jun 2015 #108

Some are right here on DU, have you asked them? No, you havent. randys1 Jun 2015 #111

I addressed that when i asked if DU was now representative of The Real World.. frylock Jun 2015 #117

"I think it's mostly coming from the political campaign agenda and not too many actual real people" leftofcool Jun 2015 #81

You seem like a very commited Hillary fan, willing to spread lies about other candidates Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #87

I find that hard to believe Orrex Jun 2015 #72

This corner of the black community (whatever that is) begs to differ. TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #123

Actually I think Sanders does, I just don't think he has addressed them very well ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #62

Why don't Robbins Jun 2015 #14

They know his record, and don't care. [n/t] Maedhros Jun 2015 #17

Dear Clinton fans. You cannot overcome racism without overcoming mmonk Jun 2015 #15

I am not a "Hillary supporter" and want to know BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #22

Well of course Bobbie Jo Jun 2015 #29

Why are you asking this of Bernie? List the reasons mmonk Jun 2015 #42

Because there have been several threads asking this BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #65

It's clear it's an attempt to get people to shut up and stop talking about this from Bernie's very Number23 Jun 2015 #122

Agree with that comment BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #124

I don't think I'll ever understand this. TheFarseer Jun 2015 #18

Actually, Hillary has laid out some strategic plans on these issues leftofcool Jun 2015 #23

It isn't just lip service gollygee Jun 2015 #26

Economic struggle and inequality breeds hate. n/t whatchamacallit Jun 2015 #27

You get it. Those that exploit the economy also exploit race and religion to hold power. mmonk Jun 2015 #46

"White racism is the biggest roadblock to a progressive nation" Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #31

Dear Hillary: we cannot over come sexism and racism WDIM Jun 2015 #43

good, concise point bigtree Jun 2015 #51

'You workers can't have more money until there's peace on earth' CanadaexPat Jun 2015 #55

"We can't work on racism until there are no more poor white people." gollygee Jun 2015 #58

Until there are no more poor any people whatchamacallit Jun 2015 #60

Until you get rid of racism gollygee Jun 2015 #61

I believe he will talk about it whatchamacallit Jun 2015 #67

If he thinks they're linked you'd think he'd be talking about both gollygee Jun 2015 #69

See my post #24. hifiguy Jun 2015 #74

A deliberately deceptive pile of unmitigated stinking horse feces. 99Forever Jun 2015 #57

That description hifiguy Jun 2015 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jun 2015 #92

Duly noted - not in support of a candidate, but a condemnation of a rival Trajan Jun 2015 #66

Sad to report your post will just fly over many peoples heads.. boston bean Jun 2015 #68

Money = power AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #71

There are none so blind as those who wlll not see. hifiguy Jun 2015 #76

Baloney! leftofcool Jun 2015 #84

That has nothing to do with what I said AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #89

and the whole up and down structure of the society TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #125

There are so many people here hifiguy Jun 2015 #138

Isn't it amazing that Bernie was supported so many years on DU LittleBlue Jun 2015 #75

Indeeed it has. The groupthink, self-delusion hifiguy Jun 2015 #78

It's as if he needs to STOP talking about economic issues to be seen as working for these issues... cascadiance Jun 2015 #85

I have no horse in this race, polly7 Jun 2015 #100

I think bernie should keep talking about economic issues leftofcool Jun 2015 #104

He ISN'T IGNORING THEM! He just looks at them in ADDITION to other issues! cascadiance Jun 2015 #112

Supported? leftofcool Jun 2015 #86

See the links I posted upthread. hifiguy Jun 2015 #98

He never STOPPED supporting women, minorities, and the LGBT frylock Jun 2015 #109

Well spoken ... Trajan Jun 2015 #106

Deja vu CTBlueboy Jun 2015 #82

Talk of economic justice threatens Clintons big money donors. It's that simple. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #88

Thread winner. hifiguy Jun 2015 #99

Maybe HRC should ask her coporate friends if they still would like the TPA passed... cascadiance Jun 2015 #113

Bingo! n/t ozone_man Jun 2015 #127

This. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #134

I support Bernie because of his constant support for equality including for LGBT people, which has Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #91

Actually anyone with a 401k or 403b BainsBane Jun 2015 #97

Sanders' record on social justice issues is just fine. MineralMan Jun 2015 #93

True. The huge difference is on economic justice and income inequality. hifiguy Jun 2015 #101

don't make perfection the enemy of good.... mike_c Jun 2015 #94

How does Hillary solve your problem? daredtowork Jun 2015 #102

It doesn't work this way. leftofcool Jun 2015 #105

People of Color are not unified behind Hillary daredtowork Jun 2015 #115

No politician, not Bernie, not HRC, not O'Malley, NO ONE can "stop racism." hifiguy Jun 2015 #116

Umm... I think Martin Luther King disagrees with you... cascadiance Jun 2015 #118

MLK spent the last several years of his life hifiguy Jun 2015 #119

OP fail. n/t PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #110

He's a 1964 member of SNCC Report1212 Jun 2015 #114

I'm not saying that Bernie does not understand race relations nor is not a champion Yavin4 Jun 2015 #120

Well im sorry thats wrong Report1212 Jun 2015 #128

He doesn't "understand" it because it isn't true. Where is the power held? Who created the racist TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #129

Since the democrats haven't actually done much for the working class lately betterdemsonly Jun 2015 #121

Yes, you won't solve one without the other.... daleanime Jun 2015 #126

This message was self-deleted by its author Romulox Jun 2015 #130

Economic rightwingers like Hillary will *never* address inequality, so this OP is dishonest. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #131

And social justice is a jawbone to be wielded by them, not a problem to be solved. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #135

Hell, the same way *Hillary Clinton* co-opted the religious right in the 1980s. Romulox Jun 2015 #136