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In reply to the discussion: I don't understand the South. [View all]North was founded by Anglo-Saxons seeking to flee the British Empire. South was founded by Normans seeking to expand the Empire.
Northern Colonies:
o New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York - english names
o Massachusettes, Delaware, Connecticut - native names
o Pennsylvania - William Penn often argued for the people against the crown
Southern Colonies:
o The Virgin(ia) Queen Elizabeth
o Queen Mary(land)
o Lord Rhode's (Island and Plantation)
o King Georg(ia)
o King Charles I and II (Carolina comes from Carolus which is Latin for Charles)
The pre-war troubles were largely limited to the North. The war started in the North.
While Virginia was the leader in the Revolutionary War, the rest of the South was pretty quiet. South Carolina had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the Revolution, then surrendered to the British a few months into the war and spent the remainder of the war supplying the British.
To this date the South remains authoritarian.
Related note: with the African Slave trade out of existence the South was killing slaves faster than they could breed them. During the Civil War there was at least one serious proposal that, if the South wins they should tear down the northern cities, parce out the land using Anglo-Saxon slaves to work the land, and if the war should end in a stalemate the South could at least raid northern land to replace African slaves with Anglo-Saxons. "We beat them before, we can beat them again," the saying went.
Anglo-Saxon versus Norman was still "a thing" when the American Civil War took place. It might explain some of Britain's reluctance to side with the Confederates early on. Anglo-Saxons in Britian might have seen it as siding with Normans against Anglo-Saxons. The American Civil War could have become a British Civil War.
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And if Germany was still proudly flying swastikas, that would be somewhat problematic,
DanTex
Jun 2015
#47
Exactly. My point entirely...I've been thinking...do the Germans have special sections
CTyankee
Jun 2015
#99
How could Lincoln have been too conciliatory after the war if he was killed before it was over?
KitSileya
Jun 2015
#29
Plans for reconstruction were well underway at the time of his assasination
LordGlenconner
Jun 2015
#32
You must dig ISIS. In the ME, they're doing what you advocate for in this post.
Pooka Fey
Jun 2015
#57
Native Southerner here. Haley and Jindal are about nothing but lining their pockets.
onehandle
Jun 2015
#11
thanks I've spent some time in the deep South, but confess to feeling uncomfortable
cali
Jun 2015
#14
Yes, that is so true but they are not the only Americans who lost wars. Native Americans did also
jwirr
Jun 2015
#35
The operative word is "before the European" They did not lose a war because they wanted to
jwirr
Jun 2015
#93
Most people that I see obsessing about the civil war are northerners. nt
redgreenandblue
Jun 2015
#19
You may be right but this kid said it was about racism and wanting to start a new race war. That
jwirr
Jun 2015
#39
Not really. There are similar movements in Idaho and Montana, hardly the South.
Behind the Aegis
Jun 2015
#44
"Most"? Would you agree that democracy tends to reflect collective attitudes?
lumberjack_jeff
Jun 2015
#30
You don't understand it because you buy into the silly South bashing we partake in here on DU.
ileus
Jun 2015
#41
What South do you live in? I live in a South that is still seething with anger
McCamy Taylor
Jun 2015
#43
Yeah, I miss that guy so much. If you haven't read his essays, I think his blog is still
Nay
Jun 2015
#65
I grew up exposed to that whole rebel pride thing, but luckily wasn't raised by it.
arcane1
Jun 2015
#51
In my family is refered, when it is discussed, as the"War between the States".
oneshooter
Jun 2015
#103
+1. Jindahl and Haley are easy, racism is what it usually takes to get elected statewide there..
Hoyt
Jun 2015
#55
There's lots of icky racists in the north, too. But there's more of them per capita in the south.
Zorra
Jun 2015
#58
Jindal and Haley certainly DO understand it, they just care about their own political ambitions more
JI7
Jun 2015
#59
I was born in NC and do not understand the south. my folks were adamant about everyone being equal
peacebird
Jun 2015
#76
The "Civil War." The Poverty that happened after Reconstruction when Lincoln was Assassinated.
KoKo
Jun 2015
#89
Particularly considering that Southern Baptists have used the Bible to support
csziggy
Jun 2015
#110