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Lizzie Poppet

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64. "all guns bought back"

Mon Jun 22, 2015, 04:28 PM

Jun 2015

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There are over 300,000,000 privately-held firearms in this country. Do you have any idea of how ruinously expensive buying all of them would be?

Any holdouts will need to have their guns removed by force-in addition to felony charges.

And just who do you propose conduct this forcible confiscation and arrest? The cops? Even if one assumed the majority of rank-and-file officers would obey such orders (a huge and probably unfounded assumption), they're not adequate to the task. Despite the recent (ghastly) militarization of the police, they would be grotesquely outnumbered. The military? Even if you altered federal law to make that legal, the military is even less likely to support such a measure than the police. In case you hadn't noticed, the military has become markedly more conservative than the general public and I don't think it's a stretch to say that the vast majority of serving military support citizen ownership of firearms. Do you actually think that orders to move against civilian gun owners would be obeyed? I certainly don't.

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Step 1: ban the manufacture of handguns [View all] XemaSab Jun 2015 OP

Prohibition doesn't work. Gregorian Jun 2015 #1

I do not see the ideas proposed in the OP as "prohibition". salib Jun 2015 #34

I see your point. It's probably good to work both ends of this, too. Gregorian Jun 2015 #42

Second Amendment LittleBlue Jun 2015 #2

Would they still be manufactured for police forces ? theycallmetrinity Jun 2015 #3

unless the 2nd is repealed rdking647 Jun 2015 #4

Which of those steps actually violates the second amendment? nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #9

An effective ban on guns is unconstitutional the same as Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #10

Where's the effective ban? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #11

You can play coy little semantic games but that's al they'll ever be. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #12

"OMG! We're limited to a maximum of 250 million guns!!! That's an 'effective ban'!!!! Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #13

So, as soon as the number of guns dips below 250 million you'll lift the restrictions? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #14

Nope. At the point at which gun stores run out of guns to sell, though, Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #16

Why only one? Different types of guns serve different functions. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #18

The vast majority of people don't need 'different functions'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #20

Neither you or anyone else is the arbitrator of what other people need. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #22

It's amazing how poorly you read. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #23

the right to bear arms shall not be infringed rdking647 Jun 2015 #25

You want to ban guns, you just lack the courage and integrity to admit it. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #38

Checkmate. ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2015 #15

"no new guns are allowed into the country" Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #26

" with fewer individuals actually wanting guns" former9thward Jun 2015 #75

I think the 2nd Amendment argument for a handgun is weaker than for an AR-15 Recursion Jun 2015 #96

Whoa, you really need to check out this post edgineered Jun 2015 #5

Shakes head nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #6

New technology like 3-D printing will be even easier for making guns and ammo at home Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #45

Yup nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #46

"Where do they often get them?" Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #89

I saw a broadcast TV ad for firearms last night ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2015 #7

This is so screen shot worthy. aikoaiko Jun 2015 #8

Seriously? What you suggest has ZERO chance of passing Lurks Often Jun 2015 #17

"No one here wants to ban guns, we all just want reasonable restrictions." LAGC Jun 2015 #19

I know, right! Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #30

Banning guns *is* a reasonable restriction. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2015 #60

I'll wait sarisataka Jun 2015 #21

This is exactly why Lulu Belle Jun 2015 #24

exactly Locrian Jun 2015 #51

"Anything like this would require nothing short of a door to door search..." Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #67

Last I read there are about 90,000,000 residences in the US discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2015 #68

Post #54 is fine with waging war against US citizens. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #73

post #54 Locrian Jun 2015 #77

Thanks for the tip discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2015 #82

How many new prisons are you prepared to build for inner city youth? Township75 Jun 2015 #27

And throw open the doors... HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #28

a lot of ranges don't sell ammo Travis_0004 Jun 2015 #29

And those that do charge a fucking FORTUNE for it. For shitty ammo. n/t Adrahil Jun 2015 #52

I am sorry, but all I can say is this... Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #31

Add a license to possess guns to your steps.... Sancho Jun 2015 #32

Better than OP chemp Jun 2015 #37

Maybe if a license was required for possession... Sancho Jun 2015 #40

Have the registration done by a federally supervised state agency. -none Jun 2015 #85

Step 10: Bundle it all together and call it "The 2nd Amendment Protection Act" -nt Liberal Veteran Jun 2015 #33

Back to the drawing board chemp Jun 2015 #35

Shotguns and rifles would remain under the existing regulation XemaSab Jun 2015 #39

So those evil poor people can't get them. Kurska Jun 2015 #49

Naive to the fullest. romanic Jun 2015 #36

That's more charitable than how I would have described it. n/t Shamash Jun 2015 #43

Hear, hear. I've always despised handguns. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #41

Your step two made me laugh. We have what are essentially open borders, and 20,000 lbs of cocaine cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #44

Initial Step (Step 1) Should be "ban the manufacture of BULLETS"... Herman4747 Jun 2015 #47

There are several problems with your position... Adrahil Jun 2015 #53

let me retort... Herman4747 Jun 2015 #66

Um... beevul Jun 2015 #71

A water gun? really? Adrahil Jun 2015 #97

I have been casting bullets and reloading for over 30 years. oneshooter Jun 2015 #78

Sorry to learn that you believed that... Herman4747 Jun 2015 #99

"mandatory felony" Hooray our prison industrial complex is already salivating. EOM Kurska Jun 2015 #48

Man sounds like you've got a great plan. ileus Jun 2015 #50

We need something more drastic, immediate ecstatic Jun 2015 #54

How do you propose we do that Travis_0004 Jun 2015 #55

I own firearms which I inherited. There is no record of them. Throd Jun 2015 #56

I agree with you Travis_0004 Jun 2015 #86

Generous financial incentives for anyone willing to ecstatic Jun 2015 #58

You're forgetting paying fair market value for all those "non-hold-out" guns. beevul Jun 2015 #61

More people for the prison industrial complex!!!!!! Travis_0004 Jun 2015 #87

Once, I "thought" I had read the most unrealistic, NM_Birder Jun 2015 #57

"all guns bought back" Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #64

Then utilize tax credits etc. The current situation is not sustainable at all ecstatic Jun 2015 #92

"will only get worse with each passing year" Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #98

"the militias would view it as war. Fine." Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #70

Your police state fantasy is very frightening. tritsofme Jun 2015 #72

More frightening than the inevitable daily/weekly massacres? ecstatic Jun 2015 #91

We would all be much safer if we repealed the entire Bill of Rights tritsofme Jun 2015 #93

So the countries with strict gun control/bans are police states? ecstatic Jun 2015 #94

You made some specific proposals in #54, that's what I am responding to. tritsofme Jun 2015 #95

Step 3: Buy more guns for the forces being relied upon to accomplish steps #1 & 2, oh wait... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2015 #84

No, ban the sale Matrosov Jun 2015 #59

You can't ban the sale of something that is constitutionally protected. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #74

Tax the hell out of guns and ammunition like we do alcohol and tobacco JCMach1 Jun 2015 #62

Make them so expensive that only the rich and priviledged can own them. Throd Jun 2015 #63

Now your talkin' discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2015 #69

Step 3 and 9 violate the 5th Amendment Glassunion Jun 2015 #65

I like the insurance idea better. tridim Jun 2015 #76

The NRA will thank you Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #79

Another idea that has no basis in reality Lurks Often Jun 2015 #81

No, thanks. bigwillq Jun 2015 #83

Forget the 2nd amendment, it fails at step 2; wouldn't fly with NAFTA and GATT. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #88

Just between you and me... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2015 #90