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freshwest

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290. Having done it, I'd say it would not ever work.

Mon Jun 22, 2015, 07:50 PM

Jun 2015

The patronizing we see online is not what people take time out of their busy lives to meet about. Each person engaged IRL work, except for the Libertarians and LeRouchies, consider the effort, money (for fuel or riding the bus) and the emotional investment of each person who attend events.

The LPs and LRs are the only real life trolls I've seen. They don't have anything better to do so it's a game to them, it's about ego. No one listens them, not because the ones they attempt to put down are whatever names being called online but because they have missed one essential factor:

They have no respect for the lives of those they are disrupting who are concerned enought to show up who time is valuable. It's a lot of work to organize anything. People show up to get something doen to better their lives and those of their communities.

It's just a sense of basic respect and empathy for others. That means one must believe that the lives, time, and ideas of others are worth listening to and doing something about. It's sorely lacking in online talks.

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I'm starting to feel bad for Hillary Supporters [View all] hootinholler Jun 2015 OP

The DU admin approved corporate candidate never has problems, Katashi_itto Jun 2015 #1

Hillary will get tore up in a debate with Bernie. She has to be scared. nt Logical Jun 2015 #177

Hell, she can't be half as scared as the repugs are pocoloco Jun 2015 #192

Republicans would prefer to go up against Hillary kenfrequed Jun 2015 #257

Too Many In both Parties Dislike Her billhicks76 Jun 2015 #213

It appears she is doing quite fine DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #2

OhYeah! n/t OhZone Jun 2015 #113

Thanks DemocratSinceBirth, I like you! rock Jun 2015 #120

Thank you for this, DemocratSinceBirth! lunamagica Jun 2015 #168

She has a commanding lead nationally, but the primary is held by states. morningfog Jun 2015 #191

The OP is about Wisconsin. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #240

Is DU becoming an echo chamber? It seems out of touch with the reality of the situation. olegramps Jun 2015 #243

Is DU become an echoing chamber? DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #244

He'll never make to the April primary in Wisconsin OKNancy Jun 2015 #3

I like the gratuitous call out./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #5

What are you talking about? What "call out"? The OP? cheapdate Jun 2015 #164

The unedited version: DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #175

Got it. cheapdate Jun 2015 #182

you're right. she and her corporate cronies will buy the nomination. cali Jun 2015 #15

Well my vote will not matter Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #30

I will not vote for that woman, hifiguy Jun 2015 #91

Mines all RED Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #102

Were my state not as blue as it is I would probably hold my nose hifiguy Jun 2015 #104

Oh, I always vote Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #107

Except MS Aerows Jun 2015 #135

Lol Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #137

It's just as true in OK Aerows Jun 2015 #139

My state is solid Red . bvar22 Jun 2015 #144

I'm in Virginia, and will vote for my preferred candidate. peacebird Jun 2015 #178

Voting for Anderson got us Reagan, and Jimmy Carter at worst was no corporate shill.... marble falls Jun 2015 #224

not when your vote really does not matter Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #226

Yep. yesphan Jun 2015 #227

All those votes that don't matter added up together do matter. The individual vote may not matter... marble falls Jun 2015 #228

Not only DO the votes "matter"..... Plucketeer Jun 2015 #246

AMEN! +1000 marble falls Jun 2015 #247

I get your point in the general case, but Reagan had over 50% of the vote karynnj Jun 2015 #249

Not in my state, which went for Carter. hifiguy Jun 2015 #261

nobodys votes matter historian Jun 2015 #220

If however a Republican did win the election, it would destroy the party. It would be bad for LiberalArkie Jun 2015 #58

After Bush, I no longer believe that. Rod Beauvex Jun 2015 #186

I'd argue that Bush II was worse than any of those. stopwastingmymoney Jun 2015 #196

I thought like that, too. Since Ford. Living in Texas has shown me that some people have no .... marble falls Jun 2015 #223

I Will No Longer Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Jun 2015 #87

I like Bernie - OhZone Jun 2015 #114

No More Corporate Controlled Candidates For This One - The Write-In Ballot Works Just Fine - Thank You cantbeserious Jun 2015 #125

So basically a protest vote. OhZone Jun 2015 #273

I agree, pathetic as it is . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #155

Exactly right. We may not like it, but the alternative is nightmarish: Cruz .... Jeb ....Trump .... marble falls Jun 2015 #222

After Sanders cleans her clock in Iowa and shellacks her in New Hampshire, Hillary and KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #83

Iowa and NH are "retail politics" states - one-on-one and small groups. hifiguy Jun 2015 #98

Why thank you. I would go so far as to say Sanders will enjoy something of a 'favorite son' KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #100

the cool thing is, not only do you get to vote in a meaningful way..... virtualobserver Jun 2015 #127

Want to bet on that? I'll bet a $50 donation to Bernie when he wins. sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #195

Why do you feel sorry for them? treestar Jun 2015 #4

The Hillary supporters would be fools not to support him if he was the nominee... Agschmid Jun 2015 #8

Half of HRC's putative supporters here probably plan to defect to the Republican in KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #84

Entirely false. Agschmid Jun 2015 #86

You are aware, I trust, that no less a Dem personage than Hubert Humphrey is on tape laughing KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #93

Sure... Agschmid Jun 2015 #97

Yeah I doubt that. fbc Jun 2015 #89

just like they did with Obama PADemD Jun 2015 #214

I remember the PUMA's and suspect they would do the same again. Bohunk68 Jun 2015 #216

Just like they did with McGovern. marble falls Jun 2015 #225

You may be assuming a little much here, there are many and would say are very dedicated Democrats Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #92

What utter unabashed nonsense mythology Jun 2015 #94

Oh horse crap shenmue Jun 2015 #95

Name one! You have the courage to make accusations then have the courage to back it up. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #96

Not an accusation, a prediction. See the history of 1972 for the last time a real progressive KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #101

You dare me to what? hrmjustin Jun 2015 #106

I made a prediction, based on 1972 (the last time a progressive was the Dem nominee). Is KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #109

Insulting people seems your strong suit and 1972 was a long time ago. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #111

"I laugh that I may not cry"? okasha Jun 2015 #124

Yup. n/t OhZone Jun 2015 #115

Proof of that? OKNancy Jun 2015 #108

I am a Bernie supporter but I don't think that half would abandon the Democratic Party if totodeinhere Jun 2015 #141

Bullocks. Sheepshank Jun 2015 #183

Your comment is complete nonsense.. giftedgirl77 Jun 2015 #185

It is Sanders supporters on this thread who say they won't vote for the mcar Jun 2015 #187

No I think that when all is said and done most Sanders supporters would vote for totodeinhere Jun 2015 #188

If you meant putative *financial* supporters for Hillary vs. Bernie, then you're probably right. BlueEye Jun 2015 #218

Let him make it personal. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #9

Senator Sanders would most certainly decry this goad/bait approach to "touting" his candidacy. MADem Jun 2015 #20

Like Gandhi... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #22

"I like your Bernie, it's your Sanderistas I don't like so much" JaneyVee Jun 2015 #31

very well put dlwickham Jun 2015 #80

I paraphrased that on another blog Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2015 #105

IIRC, that poster won't be/can't vote for either candidate in the GE. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #232

Brillaint, DSB! Bernie's fine.. it's those who are campaigning for him through mean spiritness that Cha Jun 2015 #198

Seriously. Bernie seems like a great guy. Sheldon Cooper Jun 2015 #29

I think most of his supporters are a decent slice of progressive humanity. Voice for Peace Jun 2015 #67

As a Bernie supporter, let me set the record straight. retrowire Jun 2015 #81

Well, we play with the hand we're dealt Scootaloo Jun 2015 #131

You forgot hootinholler Jun 2015 #149

Oh yes. Operation: Scuttlebutt. Scootaloo Jun 2015 #150

Except no one has said, or even implied, that ... "luminaries", or otherwise. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #233

Yeah in fact they have. Scootaloo Jun 2015 #234

Please post a link to said comments. Thanks. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #235

Nah, he's entirely correct. Just ask Presidents Kucinich or Edwards. FSogol Jun 2015 #12

Or President Hillary. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #17

Ouch. nt. JanMichael Jun 2015 #47

I think their hate is far too intense to care. MoonRiver Jun 2015 #13

there's the hate word again. This is just like class room elections roguevalley Jun 2015 #61

It does seem like hate treestar Jun 2015 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author MoonRiver Jun 2015 #90

You lost me with "hate". 840high Jun 2015 #69

... MoonRiver Jun 2015 #6

You feel sorry because of...a straw poll brooklynite Jun 2015 #7

It was an internet straw poll? DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #14

Not an internet poll hootinholler Jun 2015 #21

Here are the numbers....and interesting to see Sander's support at the WDP Convention KoKo Jun 2015 #51

Democrats in Wisconsin are among the most progressive in the nation. cheapdate Jun 2015 #166

I'm asserting that 2/3 of the attendees treated this as what it was.....meaningless. brooklynite Jun 2015 #121

Ok, a 1/3 sample size doesn't matter then. hootinholler Jun 2015 #123

�First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, and then you win� AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #258

We often find those polls meaningless which do not validate our own biases... LanternWaste Jun 2015 #263

I don't... brooklynite Jun 2015 #268

Feel sorry for Bernie supporters grasping at straws. JaneyVee Jun 2015 #24

Can everybody stop this shit now? MuseRider Jun 2015 #43

Amen. The snark is getting disgusting. And, although it is obvious by my sig line 1monster Jun 2015 #64

maybe.... quickesst Jun 2015 #71

I was not talking MuseRider Jun 2015 #76

Ok... quickesst Jun 2015 #174

Jesus, having a bad night MuseRider Jun 2015 #180

Thats because these supporters are so sure about Clinton's inevitably Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #122

I have seen.. quickesst Jun 2015 #173

Your post made me wonder what the ratio is AleksS Jun 2015 #110

But we don't have a nominee yet. Goblinmonger Jun 2015 #74

According to some, yes. hifiguy Jun 2015 #99

Could be temporary too treestar Jun 2015 #73

Good clip- shitty title for the OP though. bettyellen Jun 2015 #10

See reply #34 Rex Jun 2015 #36

What makes you feel bad? NuclearDem Jun 2015 #11

And everyone knows grassroots movements are built Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #16

I don't know if these ultra negative people have never done any real life campaigning or bettyellen Jun 2015 #52

Real world politicking requires working w/ some people you might not like all that much KittyWampus Jun 2015 #65

And impatient and intolerance seems too common around here right now. bettyellen Jun 2015 #129

If they really have, I'd be surprised. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #117

Yeah, but there's no substitute to getting out there, face to face. bettyellen Jun 2015 #130

That's completely true. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #132

Having done it, I'd say it would not ever work. freshwest Jun 2015 #290

I'm shaking in my boots because Straw Polls are incredibly accurate. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #18

Ah yes, the ever reliable straw poll. JaneyVee Jun 2015 #19

If this is anything like the Iowa straw poll mythology Jun 2015 #23

I took a gander at Hillary Mojo whatchamacallit Jun 2015 #25

President Ben Carson says hi DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #26

Hillary won no surprise upaloopa Jun 2015 #27

Ask President Bacmann about straw polls. RandySF Jun 2015 #28

Before this is done, Bernie will have brought one million people into DC FlatBaroque Jun 2015 #32

Opens thread. Skims the OP. Shakes head. Closes thread. Metric System Jun 2015 #33

Well then how did the reply happen? hootinholler Jun 2015 #35

In between shaking my head and closing the thread. I assumed that would be understood. Metric System Jun 2015 #39

So when you are standing there looking at HRC on the voting ballot next November Rex Jun 2015 #34

Not at all hootinholler Jun 2015 #37

I don't doubt it, I think HRC is going to win the primaries and be the next POTUS. Rex Jun 2015 #38

This Hillary supporter agrees. MoonRiver Jun 2015 #40

She will be. Rex Jun 2015 #44

I think it was 90+ (don't remember exactly) times that Hilary and Bernie voted the same. nt lunamagica Jun 2015 #189

Nope. I'll write in Sanders name. 840high Jun 2015 #70

Same here n/t MissDeeds Jun 2015 #82

Spot on, You even threw in some Random Thoughts at the end. Kudos corkhead Jun 2015 #41

Bernie acts so strange, hootinholler. Octafish Jun 2015 #42

Actually I like the fact that he is an Independent. He makes no jokes about how he feels toward our Rex Jun 2015 #46

Norway. Octafish Jun 2015 #48

Well you know how people get when we compare our quality of life to places like Sweden Rex Jun 2015 #50

Well, the hate coming at FDR Democrats these days is full throated and blood boiling. Octafish Jun 2015 #54

I hear that, but then again the vitriol aimed at FDR by some here made me look at their other Rex Jun 2015 #56

Anti-FDR, Anti-New Deal, Anti-Social Security.... bvar22 Jun 2015 #270

In terms of wealth things might be worse than in 1929 n/t hootinholler Jun 2015 #57

Don't bother Depaysement Jun 2015 #45

I like bernie, but DonCoquixote Jun 2015 #49

Indeed. We're better than that. (Or should be). [n/t] Maedhros Jun 2015 #88

Agreed. MuseRider Jun 2015 #103

Good point. We don't want to sink to the level of political canibalism of the GOP primary 2012. marble falls Jun 2015 #221

Hillarynevitableness Man from Pickens Jun 2015 #53

Really? Bernie's message is that he feels sorry for Hillary's supporters? Umm... no. Buzz Clik Jun 2015 #55

Aww fuck... hootinholler Jun 2015 #62

You do understand that Bernie is having fun campaigning without being attacked.... Sancho Jun 2015 #59

That's a strong dose of realism. okasha Jun 2015 #128

Yep... Sancho Jun 2015 #133

Not to mention hard working white people Fumesucker Jun 2015 #163

The more middle and lower income whites we can take away from the R's, the better. okasha Jun 2015 #165

Hard working white people are wealthy white people Fumesucker Jun 2015 #167

Are you? okasha Jun 2015 #169

Hard working? Fumesucker Jun 2015 #170

Are you rich? okasha Jun 2015 #171

Part of working smart is knowing what you are working for Fumesucker Jun 2015 #197

Wow. Just wow. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #237

Indeed, there's a lot of that going around Fumesucker Jun 2015 #248

Except that post you linked to says nothing like what you are claiming. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #255

I claimed that post made me go "Oh Wow!" Fumesucker Jun 2015 #275

Ummmm ..... not sure I get your point. I admit, I'm old and a bit dense. marble falls Jun 2015 #253

I don't support Hillary, but you can safely bet the farm that I WILL vote for her if she getsthe nod marble falls Jun 2015 #254

That's OK, I'm old too and often more than a bit dense Fumesucker Jun 2015 #277

Wow, sounds like he's inevitable! BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #60

K&R! This should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #63

Great to hear Bernie's message is getting out. Does Hillary have a message yet? jalan48 Jun 2015 #66

+1 Zamen Jun 2015 #112

The other sad fact for Hillary folks is she's giving them nothing. Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #68

You missed the voting rights speech in Houston? okasha Jun 2015 #134

Who signed DOMA again? nt Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #138

Not Hillary. okasha Jun 2015 #140

Bernie isn't into empty gestures and rhetoric. Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #143

How many Pride parades has he marched in? Got any good pics? okasha Jun 2015 #148

Marching is good. This is a helluva lot better: Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #199

You may have noticed--or not-- okasha Jun 2015 #202

Look up "labored hypothesis." Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #208

Look up "I was there, Charlie." okasha Jun 2015 #209

Post the photos. nt Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #210

Here are several sites that include photos, vids and articles okasha Jun 2015 #278

Did "the Google" -- what came up Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #280

I will try to fix links later okasha Jun 2015 #282

Well, then, she lied to Terri Gross Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #283

No, she didn't. okasha Jun 2015 #284

I think this is the link okasha was trying to give you. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #285

Thank you , justin. okasha Jun 2015 #287

My pleasure. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #288

Justin has very kindly put up a photo and working links okasha Jun 2015 #289

Still waiting for the photos . . . Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #264

Several to follow later. At work. okasha Jun 2015 #271

Comedy gold! I love DU for the wrong reasons!! closeupready Jun 2015 #259

Not Hillary. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #146

Nah, she just supported it up until last year. Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #265

Still waiting for the citation that the FLOTUS signs legislation DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #276

Interesting. Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #281

You are my hero... Your Native American woman riff was the funniest thing I ever read ... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #147

Thanks! We do try not to be stereotypically stoic all the time. okasha Jun 2015 #151

It didn't deserve a hide...Blame it on the vagaries of the jury system./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #156

Truth. okasha Jun 2015 #161

She's giving me plenty... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #145

Bravo! okasha Jun 2015 #160

I love Bernie Sanders, but some of his supporters are becoming as insufferable as the Paulbearers. ashtonelijah Jun 2015 #75

Bingo shenmue Jun 2015 #78

A candidates supporters should have no effect on who you support. Agschmid Jun 2015 #142

Wish I could rec this mcar Jun 2015 #193

Don't disagree that some Sanders supporters are condescending, but you have to be.. Dawgs Jun 2015 #229

No need of your pity. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #77

I prefer empathy hootinholler Jun 2015 #116

Understood. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #119

thanks for your concern dlwickham Jun 2015 #79

Don't. graywarrior Jun 2015 #85

Bernie Concern Trolls? OhZone Jun 2015 #118

The Hillary supporters are doing very well, we are very confident in Hillary and her Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #126

I'm not a Hillary supporter but i feel embarrassed for those JI7 Jun 2015 #136

� and many experiences Agony Jun 2015 #152

An Internet poll? Seriously? NYC Liberal Jun 2015 #153

Nope. An actual poll of where the Wis. delegates are. n/t hootinholler Jun 2015 #159

So only 32% (511 of 1,590) of delegates voted. NYC Liberal Jun 2015 #211

I feel your concern Hekate Jun 2015 #154

They have become Republicans Lite, Banal and acceptable . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #157

Wisconnsin is a bit unique. It's highly progressive in certain areas. cheapdate Jun 2015 #158

It is difficult to feel sorry for anyone who Utopian Leftist Jun 2015 #162

"why anyone on a liberal board would support the more conservative candidate?" PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #172

How about, we're the supporting the more liberal candidate who can get elected? brooklynite Jun 2015 #181

the assumption that Hillary can get elected is flawed Man from Pickens Jun 2015 #190

Great post. Dawgs Jun 2015 #231

Sorry, but only a fool would think Hillary has a better shot than Sanders. Dawgs Jun 2015 #230

The odds makers and the entire gambling public must be fools DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #241

LOL!! Dawgs Jun 2015 #242

LOL DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #245

What will that say about Hillary when she will have lost to both of them? Dawgs Jun 2015 #260

Way to casually dismiss the achievements of the first black president. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #274

We'll see who actually wins, and there was no bigger supporter for Obama on DU than me. Dawgs Jun 2015 #279

You're supporting a candidate that has been campaigning since 1994, 100% name recognition Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #256

Why don't you embroider your concern for Hillary onto a throw pillow, 6000eliot Jun 2015 #176

OMG... that is the best post of the day!!! OKNancy Jun 2015 #179

Do Bernie a favor. Don't support him this way. winter is coming Jun 2015 #184

+1000 mcar Jun 2015 #194

Sanders can not win the general. McCamy Taylor Jun 2015 #200

Maybe not but America does deserve a real choice in this election Joe Turner Jun 2015 #204

I'm sorry, but I'm not prepared to accept a loss for the sake of "principle" brooklynite Jun 2015 #205

Principle will beat personality cult every time.. Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #266

...if he gets elected.... brooklynite Jun 2015 #267

Absolutely Great Message Joe Turner Jun 2015 #201

I don't feel at all bad for Hillary supporters. SheilaT Jun 2015 #203

"Sit down, shut up, and vote for Hillary because She's Inevitable. " brooklynite Jun 2015 #217

Just go back through this one thread and look at all the smug assumptions SheilaT Jun 2015 #250

So, any post that says that Bernie will win means he's inevitable? brooklynite Jun 2015 #252

Frank Bruni allinthegame Jun 2015 #206

Yeah, we are quaking in our boots.......... Beacool Jun 2015 #207

I donated this weekend. I want to see his candadicy get every advantage it can! newthinking Jun 2015 #212

Thanks for your concern. BlueMTexpat Jun 2015 #215

Hilllary historian Jun 2015 #219

We have also had Margaret Thatcher. Ruthless, austerity-loving hawk Margaret Thatcher. djean111 Jun 2015 #238

You are so far off the mark, it's incredible. randome Jun 2015 #236

Message dpatbrown Jun 2015 #239

Well, I agree with the overall sentiment. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #251

No doubt, Clinton's supporters will allow you all the consideration your obvious degree of sincerity LanternWaste Jun 2015 #262

It's really sad to see multiple Bernie supporters in this thread say they won't vote for Hillary taught_me_patience Jun 2015 #269

It isn't sad, it's infuriating and pathetic. Beacool Jun 2015 #272

K&R#155 n/t bobthedrummer Jun 2015 #286