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80. And at that point in time, no matter how great a president he might have been, he was an opportunist

Mon Jun 22, 2015, 08:02 PM

Jun 2015

I don't know how old you are, but living back then it was clear he was not going to attempt the run until Gene embarrassed LBJ.

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Hillary 75%, Bernie 15%, Webb 4%, O'Malley 2% [View all] Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 OP

These are great polling numbers Gothmog Jun 2015 #1

I'd like to see a Sanders vs. GOP poll... Agschmid Jun 2015 #2

I would like to see that too... Adrahil Jun 2015 #183

There have been several. okasha Jun 2015 #237

Not all that important this early on, I spent weekend in San Francisco and speaking to Uber randys1 Jun 2015 #3

+1 Go Vols Jun 2015 #21

But he's going to be spending a third or less than what the Rethug spends pnwmom Jun 2015 #51

And the people will be happy to serve our overlords? daleanime Jun 2015 #202

The people will be deceived by the barrage of messages paid for by the overlords. pnwmom Jun 2015 #209

That 'poison pill' has been over used for the last 6 years.... daleanime Jun 2015 #214

I think you're forgetting that even Bernie wouldn't be able to overcome pnwmom Jun 2015 #215

Bernie agrees with you. tazkcmo Jun 2015 #226

exactly, people don't know much about him now... shanti Jun 2015 #60

Problem is you are going to run out of months upaloopa Jun 2015 #78

I heard something like that about a Senator from Illinois a while back... MNBrewer Jun 2015 #90

Out this point in the 07 campaign he was fourteen points behind not sixty!/NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #134

So we should just give up now? daleanime Jun 2015 #204

Fantastic. Thanks n/t zentrum Jun 2015 #104

Wow! hrmjustin Jun 2015 #4

Post again after the second debate. Motown_Johnny Jun 2015 #5

Please provide me with a link for a candidate that had a sixty point lead in any primary cycle ... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #8

Then this is all a waste of time. Motown_Johnny Jun 2015 #47

I hope that you can understand how some of us are happy our choice is doing well... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #50

Tell me about LBj in June of 1967 HERVEPA Jun 2015 #56

Show me a link where he was leading his presumptive Democratic challengers by 60% at this point... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #61

No one was running at that point HERVEPA Jun 2015 #65

You brought him up in Cali Democrat's thread. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #69

Your point? HERVEPA Jun 2015 #72

You implied I felt threatened by Senator Sanders' candidacy. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #79

And at that point in time, no matter how great a president he might have been, he was an opportunist HERVEPA Jun 2015 #80

He was reluctant to run... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #94

He actually lost to LBJ in New Hampshire, but McCarthy's strong showing against an incumbent KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #222

Please tell me any other person who has lost a 30 point lead like Hillary did. nt Logical Jun 2015 #181

Well, she has a sixty point lead this time ... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #188

Stupid comparison, the odds you beating pro is 10000 to 1 Logical Jun 2015 #192

I am as confident that I can really drop Wlad as you are really confident Bernie can beat Hillary. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #194

Please post some more list of movie stars that support Hillary, that's always entertaining Logical Jun 2015 #195

Please insult people from the anoymity of your computer. That's always so endearing. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #196

No, I was serious, I like the celebrity endorsement posts you make! Nt Logical Jun 2015 #198

No. I was serious... I like to watch people insult people from the anonymity of their computer... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #199

I wish you weren't so insulting, nt Logical Jun 2015 #203

"When in Rome , do like the Romans." DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #206

Was I patronizing you or insulting you, I wish you would make up your mind . Nt Logical Jun 2015 #207

It is Logical to assert one can do both.Nt DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #210

The more interesting endorsements okasha Jun 2015 #236

No kidding. 99Forever Jun 2015 #25

She had a 14 point lead in a WSJ-NBC poll at this time in 07 DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #38

people are a lot more pissed this time restorefreedom Jun 2015 #62

i don't even have a check book and I support Hillary DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #64

What "mojo"? The poll is 75% to 15%. George II Jun 2015 #68

he is drawing huge crowds restorefreedom Jun 2015 #74

He will move up to sixteen percent?/NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #82

i'd aim a little higher n/t restorefreedom Jun 2015 #91

He will move up to 66 percent. RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #100

There isn't a pay wall. It's NBC News./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #113

Well, the ORIGINAL OP was from WSJ RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #154

You are welcome, sir, but I didn't start this thread. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #156

If he moves up 66%... OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #141

Howard Dean drew huge crowds... brooklynite Jun 2015 #168

Zig Zigler? OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #180

So did Ron Paul.... Adrahil Jun 2015 #223

What makes you people think that folk don't know who BS is? He's been in Washington for.... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #234

people who follow politics know him restorefreedom Jun 2015 #238

If they don't "follow politics", why the hell would they "get to know him"? If they don't attend... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #239

as the campaign season rolls on, restorefreedom Jun 2015 #241

Well, I guess it's true what they say about "hope". Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #243

no matter what we say, restorefreedom Jun 2015 #244

Indeed it will. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #246

Pissed at what? OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #77

are you kidding? restorefreedom Jun 2015 #85

Did I use a smiley? OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #98

According to the poll 92% of Democrats say they could vote for HRC... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #112

i think it is too early to start popping the corks restorefreedom Jun 2015 #120

She had a roughly 14% lead at this time in 07 DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #130

it is too early for the math to matter restorefreedom Jun 2015 #139

Yeah, people have known HRC for forty years and like her. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #142

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #229

Welcome to DU. I hope you enjoy your stay DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #230

It's like flypaper. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #133

i think you are underestimating the immense power differential restorefreedom Jun 2015 #117

No I'm not. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #145

Let's see Hillary has 75% and not a one of upaloopa Jun 2015 #101

hillary is a hawkish, corporate centrist who represents the 1% restorefreedom Jun 2015 #123

The 1% are backing Republicans okasha Jun 2015 #240

he has a lot going for him and he is resonating with many restorefreedom Jun 2015 #242

theethinks wrong. okasha Jun 2015 #250

then i guess you all can enjoy the ride n/t restorefreedom Jun 2015 #253

Then what are you worried about? tabasco Jun 2015 #121

i would say yes. restorefreedom Jun 2015 #125

I can't remember any candidate ever being as popular as Hillary 6chars Jun 2015 #251

Then you either are very young or have a very short memory. 99Forever Jun 2015 #255

short memory, actually 6chars Jun 2015 #256

Bullshit. 99Forever Jun 2015 #257

Sanders needs the Kucinich debate surge Renew Deal Jun 2015 #36

He needs to start talking about UFO sightings/NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #40

Ubiquitous Financial Obscenities? Motown_Johnny Jun 2015 #84

I think that's called feeling the yearn BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #45

Did you like my SVG reference?/NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #48

Mucho n/t BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #59

I was going to say Derek Fisher but he's from Detroit... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #63

We used to have Frazier, Reed and affordable apartments BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #136

I am originally from NYC so I was a NYK fan as a kid and a bit after, even when I moved. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #140

Things of beauty they were my friend BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #147

Ahhhh, Red Holzman and Reed at the pivot... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #151

They aren't meaningless unless you expect them to predict the winner 18 months from now ToxMarz Jun 2015 #75

There won't be any 'debates'...bank on it! eom Purveyor Jun 2015 #182

Perhaps... but plenty of Bernie supporters tout polls when it fits their narrative. Adrahil Jun 2015 #189

Excellent polling numbers for Hillary. leftofcool Jun 2015 #6

I predicted that would happen. It's nice to be right. Still can't figure why O'Malley's behind Webb. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #9

I can't either. leftofcool Jun 2015 #20

O'Malley would definitely be my 2nd choice. Nothing against Webb. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #27

Mine too! leftofcool Jun 2015 #29

Mine too. I like OMalley misterhighwasted Jun 2015 #155

Didn't know much about him, but thanks to DU, I'm liking what I'm hearing. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #172

At this point, bvar22 Jun 2015 #42

You guys keep saying that like it actually means something to the rest of us. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #44

Like Hillary is dealing with Iowa and New Hampshire? bvar22 Jun 2015 #106

I never had you pegged as a fan of the Washington Free Beacon... SidDithers Jun 2015 #166

You didn't? OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #173

First of all there is no evidence of a Sanders surge in IA, ergo: DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #217

Thanks for that bit of information. "Free Beacon"? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #233

"Free Beacon"? A blog? Who cares what happens in IA & NH? Two of the whitest states in the nation. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #170

"Polls don't matter at this time." OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #176

Only the polls they like seem to "matter at this time". Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #211

Yeah, that's the talking point of Bernie supporters the last day or so. Adrahil Jun 2015 #190

Yet they constantly brag about how big Bernie's crowds are. MoonRiver Jun 2015 #225

Ding! Ding! Ding! It's a canard that's played out at this point. People know BS & yet they've..... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #232

I even heard Sanders repeat this pathetic meme today. MoonRiver Jun 2015 #247

Exactly. I don't even know where he comes down on national security & foreign affairs, but I bet... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #249

And that's one very important reason why he is going nowhere. MoonRiver Jun 2015 #254

Yea, keep thinking that if it helps. leftofcool Jun 2015 #46

Me either... Agschmid Jun 2015 #53

The media's having a love affair with BS right now. They'll turn on him, but it's fun right now. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #57

JUst name recognition. n/t bornskeptic Jun 2015 #184

So I've been told. These voters have heard of Elizabeth Warren, but not BS? BS has been loafing... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #212

Incoming!!!! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #7

Has Webb announced his candidacy? Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #10

He was the first to announce (nt) Recursion Jun 2015 #12

I recall him announcing an "exploratory committee" 11-14 Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #37

Huh maybe that's what I'm thinking of Recursion Jun 2015 #39

He is certainly campaigning Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #41

Obviously we need a stronger candidate for the general election. Those numbers are worrying. In fact Metric System Jun 2015 #11

Tell me you're not feeling the burn upaloopa Jun 2015 #87

i think O'malley has same type of constituents as Clinton JI7 Jun 2015 #13

What 'type' is that? elleng Jun 2015 #16

the base of the party JI7 Jun 2015 #24

I disagree. I think that Sanders and O'Malley are splitting the economic vote. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #18

And that is to his credit! leftofcool Jun 2015 #23

Credit? Perhaps, if the point of this exercise is something other than getting elected. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #26

I credit and applaud him for speaking about all the issues. leftofcool Jun 2015 #30

O'Malley is my second choice too, but he doesn't have campaigning figured out. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #35

i think because webb has no other competition JI7 Jun 2015 #54

Kick and highly recommended! William769 Jun 2015 #14

I wish I could see the numbers that make up this ENORMOUS lead, but don't want to subscribe. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #15

K & R Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #17

Webb? elleng Jun 2015 #19

All of our candidates are infinitely better than those in the GOP clown car etherealtruth Jun 2015 #22

Wow, Hillary is gaining momentum. JaneyVee Jun 2015 #28

I think the number changed when Biden wasn't included. sufrommich Jun 2015 #34

Yes, because that's reality. MoonRiver Jun 2015 #43

Misleading kcjohn1 Jun 2015 #31

LMAO! leftofcool Jun 2015 #49

Thank you for your concern. MoonRiver Jun 2015 #52

It's underlying, but whatever..........so people don't know Sanders. Are they going to go.... George II Jun 2015 #70

Yeah, WTF! MoonRiver Jun 2015 #73

There is about a year between now and then, so I guess we'll see. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #108

All week long: Feel the bern! Bernie's closing! Bernie's gonna win! wyldwolf Jun 2015 #71

I find your graphic offensive, RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #105

So? wyldwolf Jun 2015 #115

Do you really think that image helps? mythology Jun 2015 #177

Yes. wyldwolf Jun 2015 #179

So if I looked around, I would't find any posts from Sanders supporters... brooklynite Jun 2015 #171

So like my mother used to say RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #221

What I got from it was, if you support someone other than Hillary herding cats Jun 2015 #124

It's actually not an outlier DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #216

Hillary is clearly losing. Get over it fanboys. Renew Deal Jun 2015 #32

FAAAAANTASTIC MoonRiver Jun 2015 #33

HILLARY'S NOT GOING TO LOSE!!!! misterhighwasted Jun 2015 #55

What misterhighwasted said! MoonRiver Jun 2015 #245

I sleep easier at night knowing the Republicans stack up so poorly against the front-runner. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #58

A key point BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #149

I was just about to post this - saw these polls numbers on Chris Matthews a few minutes ago.... George II Jun 2015 #66

Very interesting sadoldgirl Jun 2015 #67

Uh no. 92% of Dems say they would vote for her leftofcool Jun 2015 #92

Yea about 8 years of the Hillary Clinton administration upaloopa Jun 2015 #96

Why do you ridicule other Democratic candidates? RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #152

Ridicule is the only way to get the blood of 1,000,000+ dead Iraqi civilians off their KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #224

Bernie's numbers show less people are happy about him. Funny how that works. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #109

That's only in the real world, so it doesn't count. Lil Missy Jun 2015 #76

Sanders leads 90-10 on DU; Clinton leads 75-15 in the real world. Who to believe? brooklynite Jun 2015 #174

That's a tough one. Then when you factor in all the paid operatives on DU, then add Lil Missy Jun 2015 #208

But I keep hearing that DU speaks for real Democrats whatthehey Jun 2015 #227

woomp there it is boston bean Jun 2015 #81

At this point, I'm voting for Bernie Sanders. BlueJazz Jun 2015 #83

The numbers I would expect... Sancho Jun 2015 #86

These are good numbers for both Hillary and Bernie. salib Jun 2015 #88

The idea of Hillary is much more appealing than the actuality... raindaddy Jun 2015 #89

What ever helps you sleep at night. leftofcool Jun 2015 #93

Just the kind of horse race RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #95

Here's the biggest weakness Bernie has when the attack ads start... Sancho Jun 2015 #97

That's not surprising. I'll add: OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #116

A lot of voters will not vote for an identified "socialist".... Sancho Jun 2015 #128

"Vote for Jeff Johnson the Name You Know" Rafale Jun 2015 #99

How in the world is O'Malley below Web? herding cats Jun 2015 #102

Hillary = Inevitable En Garde Jun 2015 #103

Gosh, if only historical data existed on some machine which could be searched.... PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #122

Alas, nothing from June 2007. En Garde Jun 2015 #220

Look again. There is plenty there from June 2007 PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #231

Hey welcome......but your snark doesn't help Bernie win Sheepshank Jun 2015 #131

What "snark"? You assume wrongly. En Garde Jun 2015 #252

The 2016 Democratic Primary will be much more similar to 2012 tritsofme Jun 2015 #107

Nice, quote a poll behind a paywall hootinholler Jun 2015 #110

Here you go. RandySF Jun 2015 #111

This is looking very very good. DCBob Jun 2015 #114

And the Sanders juggernaut continues! philosslayer Jun 2015 #118

A good day for incremental corporatism! moondust Jun 2015 #119

Even with all the hoopla about Bernie-mentum and "huge" wild crowds.. DCBob Jun 2015 #126

maybe not yet. it is very early n/t restorefreedom Jun 2015 #127

I think most Democrats aren't even going to give him a chance. DCBob Jun 2015 #129

And therein lies the real test underthematrix Jun 2015 #137

i actually don.t think she can beat every gop hopeful restorefreedom Jun 2015 #138

I totally disagree. Her strength against the GOP is one of main reasons... DCBob Jun 2015 #160

i guess time will tell n/t restorefreedom Jun 2015 #161

Got the breakdown? The tabs? Oh Yes Jun 2015 #132

It is just a poll. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #186

Primaries can be tricky for "sure thing" candidates. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2015 #135

I don't think I realized states didn't always... Agschmid Jun 2015 #144

Those were the primaries before "can't be beat" candidate LBJ dropped out. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2015 #148

Got it. Agschmid Jun 2015 #150

I'm pretty sure NH was the only primary before LBJ dropped out. bornskeptic Jun 2015 #191

Couple issues with the polling. RichVRichV Jun 2015 #143

I don't agree with part of what you are saying... Agschmid Jun 2015 #153

Not nescessarily. RichVRichV Jun 2015 #162

? Agschmid Jun 2015 #164

Not automatically. RichVRichV Jun 2015 #187

The only way the number of Bernie voters will be higher is if people volunteer for his campaign herding cats Jun 2015 #163

"The media used it to generate some false sense of a major surge by Bernie." brooklynite Jun 2015 #178

Yeah, I admit don't pay too much attention to what people say here. herding cats Jun 2015 #185

Oh I agree completely. RichVRichV Jun 2015 #193

You're mirroring my words in another post here not too very long ago. herding cats Jun 2015 #201

Another issue I have with the polls. RichVRichV Jun 2015 #200

(Dusts off the mothballs) rocktivity Jun 2015 #146

Lets review our excuses... brooklynite Jun 2015 #157

People are also very misinformed, they're buying Hillary's faux populism she's putting on. YOHABLO Jun 2015 #158

The "Voters are too stupid to know how to vote" theme... brooklynite Jun 2015 #167

and usually employed the fringes. wyldwolf Jun 2015 #258

I'll vote secondvariety Jun 2015 #159

I just threw up in my mouth a little bit ybbor Jun 2015 #165

DU rec for shits and giggles... SidDithers Jun 2015 #169

Man that is a helluva a lead. morningfog Jun 2015 #175

Webb aherad of O'Malley? Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #197

Hey, don't be mean! herding cats Jun 2015 #205

When he decides not to run or drop out that's four more points for HRC. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #218

LOL Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #219

Oooooo BURN alcibiades_mystery Jun 2015 #213

Polls are only valid if they validate my bias; otherwise, they're simply flawed/it's-too-early/parti LanternWaste Jun 2015 #228

Bernie hasn't been to California yet sonofspy777 Jun 2015 #235

Or Oklahoma or Texas or Arizona Or the deep South..or Missouri, where Hillary had a fantastic day misterhighwasted Jun 2015 #248

I finally understand why politically engaged people give up and drop out. bunnies Jun 2015 #259