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MineralMan

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30. You're right. The same groups are donating, but

Tue May 15, 2012, 10:33 AM

May 2012

it's not just the LDS church that is in the wrong here. Whoever is supporting the amendment, we have to fight to get enough NO votes to defeat it.

My point was that, despite the diocese's support for it, many Catholics will be voting against it. I have no feedback from Minnesota Mormons, so I don't know how many Mormons will be voting NO. I do know a number of Catholics who will be.

Money is not the only thing that will decide this in Minnesota. But, you're right, all the usual suspects are donating to the Yes side. It's going to take a lot of work to defeat it, but I'm confident that Minnesota will do just that.

I oppose NOM, the RCC in Minnesota, the fundamentalist churches that are donating, and the LDS in Minnesota for donating in support of this amendment. Personally, I'd like to see the IRS look into this and take action. Right now, the most influential religious group is the Catholic church in Minnesota on this issue, so that's the one I mentioned.

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Really? trumad May 2012 #2

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While we can and should customerserviceguy May 2012 #64

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The religion he was raised in customerserviceguy May 2012 #85

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Richard Nixon was raised a Quaker customerserviceguy May 2012 #87

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Mere hyperbole customerserviceguy May 2012 #82

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In Minnesota, it's the Roman Catholic Church that is MineralMan May 2012 #17

It is the same as Prop 8, all the usual suspects are playing and paying. Bluenorthwest May 2012 #27

You're right. The same groups are donating, but MineralMan May 2012 #30

Well let's review. You have stated here you think we should 'lay off' Mitt's religion Bluenorthwest May 2012 #38

What I was talking about in that other thread MineralMan May 2012 #40

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I don't see any reason why LDS political and corporate activity shouldn't be available to criticism HereSince1628 May 2012 #18

I was raised a Mormon... liberalmuse May 2012 #19

Thanks! nt Zorra May 2012 #47

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Your wrong about Romney's Church officially attacking LGBT danjohn May 2012 #22

Then explain the 20 million? trumad May 2012 #23

2o million who? danjohn May 2012 #28

I'm afraid that's just not true. MineralMan May 2012 #25

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So people kiss and y'all call the cops? Keep explaining how that's 'love' please.... Bluenorthwest May 2012 #34

Calling the cops on people kissing isn't doing "the same on others" regarding persecution? uppityperson May 2012 #41

Uh, what? Call the cops on people kissing? MineralMan May 2012 #43

Bullshit! justiceischeap May 2012 #26

Link to LDS statement on reversal of Prop 8... Bluenorthwest May 2012 #29

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