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290. Well there's an article that really gets it wrong...

Tue Jun 23, 2015, 04:39 AM

Jun 2015

A campaign kickoff event is certainly not the time or place to dig into policy details and positions on current events. There will be plenty of time for specifics later. We already know where Clinton stands on many issues (women's reproductive rights, health care reform, etc). George Lakoff says that Democrats lose elections when campaigning if they get bogged down in wonk-level details about policy, rather than creating a positive image... "Values trump issues". (You guys DO want to win, don't you?) The Salon article criticizes David Axelrod for taking this 'values over issues' approach with Obama's campaign (and Clinton for doing the same) but Obama won (!!!) while the big wonky policy campaigns by Al Gore ("Al Bore&quot and John Kerry (he's so stuffy!) LOST. (I know Gore technically won, but he should have demolished Dumbya, it shouldn't have been even close, except Gore ran a bad campaign).

Good article by George Lakoff linked below (a little confusing, as the bullet points describe what Democrats do wrong... and then he corrects each point with the bolded text). It bears repeating... wonky conversations about policy details seem sexy to to us at DU - gosh that Al Gore seems smart, and Bush seems so dumb! - but they don't win presidential elections. Elections are won by the person who seems the most sincere and likable (which is why Republicans attack Clinton on the likability and sincerity angles) and candidates who have good values. It's NOT a contest to see who can dig the deepest on policy, that just turns people off - the average person doesn't follow politics that closely, and just wants somebody they trust to handle everything so they can concentrate on making dinner.

http://georgelakoff.com/2014/11/13/democratic-strategies-lost-big-heres-why-and-how-to-fix-it/

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Hillary Clinton is going to lose: She doesn�t even see the frustrated progressive wave [View all] L0oniX Jun 2015 OP

More Salon clickbait The Second Stone Jun 2015 #1

The writer was White House counsel to Bill Clinton. Divernan Jun 2015 #24

A consolation appointment after losing a governor's race in CT. wyldwolf Jun 2015 #36

He also called for the defeat of the entire Democratic party./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #37

WOW! I guess we see his agenda with the OP's article. wyldwolf Jun 2015 #44

. L0oniX Jun 2015 #55

Well now that the messenger has been 'exposed' is there anything in the article you agree or sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #170

+1 n/t Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #197

Thanks Sabrina 1. truedelphi Jun 2015 #200

The Whole Nation does Not lose if Hillary is elected. bvar22 Jun 2015 #237

My broke ass will win if HRC wins because at least I know my Medi Cal will be secure. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #300

Oh yes, we get the best democracy they can buy. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #314

Have I told you lately... rbnyc Jun 2015 #241

+1 Great question. Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #301

Wow! Do you have anything of substance to say about the OP or just ad hominem attacks? rhett o rick Jun 2015 #251

A writer with a proven agenda against the Democratic party favors Bernie Sanders. SURPRISE!!! wyldwolf Jun 2015 #254

Everyone has an agenda. Even you. Why do you choose the side of the Oligarchs? rhett o rick Jun 2015 #285

but we're talking about one particular writer. wyldwolf Jun 2015 #292

I thought we were talking about one article? Ideas are bigger than the person who writes them. Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #303

The entire focus of this subthread is the writer wyldwolf Jun 2015 #307

OMG! Do give us a direct quote with a link! THIS IS HUGH! Divernan Jun 2015 #49

Don't wait too long for that. L0oniX Jun 2015 #56

"Let's abandon the Democrats" wyldwolf Jun 2015 #59

and form a strong progressive movement instead (that's his message) madfloridian Jun 2015 #145

which is still a mission to destroy the Democratic party wyldwolf Jun 2015 #181

Wait...you say Bernie's purpose is to "destroy the Democratic party"?? You really said that? madfloridian Jun 2015 #187

No, we're discussing the author of the piece quoted in the OP wyldwolf Jun 2015 #204

Why don't you discuss the brother of the author of the piece? I hear he had a rhett o rick Jun 2015 #252

because he didn't write the piece. wyldwolf Jun 2015 #255

Why are you afraid to discuss "the piece" but attack the author? Isn't that rhett o rick Jun 2015 #284

I'm not afraid to discuss the piece. I choose not to. wyldwolf Jun 2015 #293

There you have it. Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #304

Hopefully, the goal is to destroy the CORPORATISM in the Democratic Party. nikto Jun 2015 #270

+1 Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #305

If that's what it takes to get it back then fine. cui bono Jun 2015 #236

+1 rbnyc Jun 2015 #242

No Caretha Jun 2015 #257

Yes wyldwolf Jun 2015 #258

I support Caretha Jun 2015 #261

Is the Democratic party the "Light Arm" of the Republican party? wyldwolf Jun 2015 #264

You seem to answer questions with questions... MrMickeysMom Jun 2015 #288

you seem to avoid the question wyldwolf Jun 2015 #291

... MrMickeysMom Jun 2015 #325

Who gives a rat's ass if people 'question who I am?' wyldwolf Jun 2015 #326

Nobody said they gave a "rat's ass", so why are you beating this into the ground? MrMickeysMom Jun 2015 #327

That isn't what I said. Why is it an issue to you that someone wonders who I am? wyldwolf Jun 2015 #330

Enough of this ridiculous and meaningless conversation... MrMickeysMom Jun 2015 #331

How sweet you put me on your ignore list wyldwolf Jun 2015 #332

Bernie Sanders refuses to be the light arm of the Republican party. Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #306

The oligarchy has already destroyed much of it. People don't give a fuck about the 1% taking over. L0oniX Jun 2015 #334

And 'progressives' want to destroy the rest? wyldwolf Jun 2015 #335

~ L0oniX Jun 2015 #336

Only following the writings of the esteemed author in the OP. wyldwolf Jun 2015 #337

` L0oniX Jun 2015 #338

'|' wyldwolf Jun 2015 #339

Res ipsa loquitur DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #64

He calls for a more populist democratic party Divernan Jun 2015 #75

So if I advise someone to 'abandon' something, that really means 'change it.' wyldwolf Jun 2015 #103

When you abandon your spouse or children you are changing them, for the worse./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #144

Abandonning something that does NOT work (like "Free Trade"), bvar22 Jun 2015 #340

He lost two elections to an ethically-challenged Republican. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #206

so what? rbnyc Jun 2015 #245

I once left a job and I called my boss a "fucking idiot" on the way out the door... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #248

This is what it is all about Caretha Jun 2015 #260

^^^ Yeee-UP!^^^ MrMickeysMom Jun 2015 #328

And Dick Morris was an advisor to Bill Clinton onenote Jun 2015 #42

You have got to be kidding me - Aerows Jun 2015 #208

And Hillary is the one who brought him in, along with Mark Penn. Fuddnik Jun 2015 #262

Lot of people were counsel to Bil Clinton! This guy has thing against Hillary lewebley3 Jun 2015 #69

maybe so... but he has been anti-Clinton for a long time. Every article is anti-Clinton OKNancy Jun 2015 #78

OMG!!!!! A Naderite! Fuddnik Jun 2015 #263

Ad hominem attacks don't prove anything. Fearless Jun 2015 #281

I doubt Pataki would garner much favor to secure the republican nomination based on his stance on still_one Jun 2015 #31

I missed that thing with Romney, but of course they attacked him for saying that. randys1 Jun 2015 #153

That kind of was my point, the republicans are pretty much the tea party, and why I don't think still_one Jun 2015 #159

He is a racist because he accepts white privilege, as I do, as all white Americans do. randys1 Jun 2015 #162

Pataki's a clown. Cha Jun 2015 #70

Bernie is going to win the nomination and the GE. Since he is already destroying Republicans both sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #205

A Socialist would be unelectable in the GE redstateblues Jun 2015 #230

There's room there to debate the true meaning, in this day and age, Ghost Dog Jun 2015 #249

Wrong, in these times, it is the word Capitalist that is the bad word. See that's what I mean, sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #253

There are those of us who have more faith in Americans' ability to evolve, than you clearly have nikto Jun 2015 #271

Bullshit. The contest gets easier for Bernie in the general. Jester Messiah Jun 2015 #272

which is all irrelevant to progressive frustration with corporate Democrats yurbud Jun 2015 #224

This rbnyc Jun 2015 #247

thats not a given anymore PatrynXX Jun 2015 #235

I don't see it either... brooklynite Jun 2015 #2

And by "larger States" ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #76

Why? Fawke Em Jun 2015 #108

Go read the AA forum here Recursion Jun 2015 #114

Good question. Poster seems to presume POC aren't interested in economic justice. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #117

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #132

Your words: "his economic primacy message fall flat for most of the non-white Democratic base" Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #226

There you good ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #244

Correct. Both, of course are desirable. Ghost Dog Jun 2015 #250

You are right Caretha Jun 2015 #267

The short answer is ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #129

So how has Hillary addressed this any differently? eom Fawke Em Jun 2015 #142

I don't know; but, this isn't about HRC, as ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #148

Bernie is also not pushing economic primacy as a cure-all dreamnightwind Jun 2015 #212

Really? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #219

Wow, you absolutely misinterpreted the post you responded to dreamnightwind Jun 2015 #220

Did you miss my response to that poster ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #240

She hasn't. kenfrequed Jun 2015 #169

I wonder how many will read this post and understand what it means. randys1 Jun 2015 #157

It's not about 'more money' AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #172

Dylann Roof didn't check the net worth of the African Americans he slaughtered in Charleston. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #178

No -- I mean States with large populations spread over a large area... brooklynite Jun 2015 #161

Okay. I stand corrected. 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #165

Thanks for clarifying dreamnightwind Jun 2015 #209

He's doing well around here Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2015 #228

These powerful people seem to crawl into a bubble Autumn Jun 2015 #3

Not sure she will lose to Bernie. Bonobo Jun 2015 #4

She offers the best chance of all the possible choices. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #5

she's the lesser crap of all evils. what a choice. roguevalley Jun 2015 #6

Hillary is a great choice: She is the most quailfied person to run for President! lewebley3 Jun 2015 #48

"quailfied" = the most money from the oligarchy. L0oniX Jun 2015 #58

She is the most electable...period. Sheepshank Jun 2015 #86

. L0oniX Jun 2015 #87

In the real world... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #94

That's exactly what Bernie does Sheepshank Jun 2015 #101

I have to disagree ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #171

"their jobs, their health care, and their civil rights" LiberalLovinLug Jun 2015 #177

Bernie is unelectable in the GE- I wish it weren't so redstateblues Jun 2015 #231

Kerry frylock Jun 2015 #276

Sounds like more dogmatic blathering from the "it's her turn" crowd. [nt] Jester Messiah Jun 2015 #273

She was the most electable...period, in 08 too AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #289

Bernie is no Obama Sheepshank Jun 2015 #318

. stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #183

, L0oniX Jun 2015 #210

. stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #268

Hillay and Dem's don't have much money against the GOP lewebley3 Jun 2015 #319

This message was self-deleted by its author cui bono Jun 2015 #239

Selecting the least worse alternative 1939 Jun 2015 #109

show me republican electoral path to White House captnearl Jun 2015 #23

Barack Obama DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #51

Now you only need 10 more states. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2015 #74

Romney beat Obama in the Electoral College 332-206 DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #79

Sure, if you ignore the trends in those states, as well as every other state. jeff47 Jun 2015 #104

I have said, as nauseum and ad infitum that I believe the Blue Wall theory... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #116

You seem to think I'm saying someone else can win FL. jeff47 Jun 2015 #119

FL is going to be tough for any Democrat DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #124

So can you afford to risk the liberal wing staying home, then? [nt] Jester Messiah Jun 2015 #274

They can stay home DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #278

The American People might be propagandized enough to elect JEB. nt ladjf Jun 2015 #61

CNN.com certainly is trying to make john bush acceptable! stupid makes the gnewz look better. pansypoo53219 Jun 2015 #85

1972, 1980, 1984, 1988, 2000, 2004 NT 1939 Jun 2015 #111

I strongly disagree. Scuba Jun 2015 #25

By that metric HRC leads her closest Republican challenger by 42 points... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #28

The point is, Bernie can win and has a much better track record on the issues than Hillary. Scuba Jun 2015 #32

That assertion is belied by the evidence at this time but I concede we need a lot more data DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #35

national pols do not matter questionseverything Jun 2015 #166

Bernie has no accomplishments, He just talks a good game! lewebley3 Jun 2015 #50

He has not spiraled down through a hail of bullets yet. L0oniX Jun 2015 #62

And that is exactly what the people want - a change - not politics as usual. There is not one jwirr Jun 2015 #63

Everyone knows Hillary, the American peoples support for her is strong lewebley3 Jun 2015 #68

. L0oniX Jun 2015 #90

The tinfoil hat smiley in no way substitutes for an actual reply. MineralMan Jun 2015 #213

I don't give a crap about what you think or say. L0oniX Jun 2015 #222

Thanks for letting me know. MineralMan Jun 2015 #246

We will see. jwirr Jun 2015 #122

is it correct to assume English is not your native language? LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #127

Yesterday that one was telling me that Bernie pals around with bankers. hifiguy Jun 2015 #188

LMFAO L0oniX Jun 2015 #223

Petty insults reflect on you: Its Show you are losing your argument lewebley3 Jun 2015 #322

Actually, it was a question LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #329

Bernie has never changed anything and he has been in the Senate for years! lewebley3 Jun 2015 #323

I don't pretend to know what motivates some Democrats to support Hillary. Dustlawyer Jun 2015 #54

Excellent post, Counselor Blus4u Jun 2015 #96

That is obviously silly mythology Jun 2015 #147

As opposed to the republican clown car? Cosmocat Jun 2015 #11

She's not running against the clown car. In the general she'll be running against a person Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #14

What makes Walker so special? DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #33

Exactly the same thing that makes Hillary Clinton a legitimate political force: Marr Jun 2015 #110

The difference is there is a proven path to the presidency for Hillary Clinton DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #130

Fortunately, yes, the clown car is a real freak show. Bonobo Jun 2015 #16

Hubris is a cruel master... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #29

The other thing about Jeb Cosmocat Jun 2015 #296

That's the irony... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #297

Name counts for a LOT Cosmocat Jun 2015 #299

Walker doesn't expand the base and his charismatically challenged self makes Bush lll ... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #302

So Cosmocat Jun 2015 #316

It is hard for me to discard my biases but I believe FL is a push. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #317

I'm with you. As a "retail" politician she's awful. She's about a sincere as a banker, and her 08' Indepatriot Jun 2015 #52

I'm with you on that. Marr Jun 2015 #92

Is trainwreck the new rightwing talking point, last week it was arrogant.? randys1 Jun 2015 #160

And any day now, OWS will conquer the world and Snowden will return a conquering hero. randome Jun 2015 #7

Hillary will probably win the nomination and become President. jalan48 Jun 2015 #8

^This, exactly LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #19

/\_/\_This right here_/\_/\ Scuba Jun 2015 #27

Bingo Stuckinthebush Jun 2015 #66

jalan48, your post is Spot On. But I wish it weren't so.. 2banon Jun 2015 #97

I agree with you and will continue to do the same. jalan48 Jun 2015 #112

Extremely well said. A simple truth in a simple post, with profound implications. RiverLover Jun 2015 #179

Thank you River-well said yourself. jalan48 Jun 2015 #217

Indeed. Still, a really weird concept to me to see other Dems blinded by it all. 2banon Jun 2015 #233

When does the U.N. start PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #294

The author was a White House advisor to Clinton. MannyGoldstein Jun 2015 #9

You noticed that too huh. L0oniX Jun 2015 #10

Judas frylock Jun 2015 #13

Was a patsy Fumesucker Jun 2015 #21

A wave of frustration, said the article quoted in the OP. Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #22

losing nomination to bernie okay - if that's what the people want - losing in general samsingh Jun 2015 #12

Bernie can and will eat any repuke candidate for breakfast. L0oniX Jun 2015 #40

This is what i don't understand Robbins Jun 2015 #65

He is ready to debate the clowns. It's the DNC that is opposed to that. I got to wonder why. L0oniX Jun 2015 #67

Bernie in debates Robbins Jun 2015 #71

And he speaks in readily understandable declarative sentences. hifiguy Jun 2015 #189

What trouble is Hillary having with Bernie? yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #88

Ha Robbins Jun 2015 #93

Time will tell. I am confident I will win. yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #100

Safety reasons? MannyGoldstein Jun 2015 #107

Stuff & nonsense! HRC's whole overflow area was empty on Roosevelt Island Divernan Jun 2015 #136

It's an open admission that so-called 'Centrist Democrats' will not vote if Marr Jun 2015 #115

what's an open admission? are you just making things up? samsingh Jun 2015 #185

Well, if you say that Bernie Sanders cannot win nationally even if he wins the primary... Marr Jun 2015 #199

i did not say that - i said i would vote for whoever was the democratic nominee samsingh Jun 2015 #310

It was implied in your post #12. If that isn't what you meant, you should learn to Marr Jun 2015 #311

or you could learn to read better or ask for clarification samsingh Jun 2015 #313

Yup. Agschmid Jun 2015 #266

actually, i didn't say anything about whether he can or can't beat Hillary samsingh Jun 2015 #184

PUMAv2? frylock Jun 2015 #277

Ok, show how the Republican gets 270 electoral votes against Sanders jeff47 Jun 2015 #81

A Clinton nomination will keep over half Florida Dems at home on Election Day. HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #113

On the plus side, we don't need FL to win. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2015 #118

9 of past 10 presidential race winners have won Florida. HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #126

And? jeff47 Jun 2015 #207

Hmmm ...yep ...Hillary didn't need Florida the last time around either. L0oniX Jun 2015 #137

You seem reasonably intelligent. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #211

Hrm...if only I had actually mentioned that in the post you replied to... jeff47 Jun 2015 #214

You didn't answer my question. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #218

You think they won't gin up hatred for Bernie? Cosmocat Jun 2015 #295

DU is its own world. Beacool Jun 2015 #123

. LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #133

I see what you did there, hifiguy Jun 2015 #190

I know this skinny black guy from Chicago... StoneCarver Jun 2015 #279

The people in the "progressive wave" Cosmocat Jun 2015 #15

Well said. I wish it was different, too. randome Jun 2015 #26

These same folks were predicting an imminent defeat of Rahm by Chuy alcibiades_mystery Jun 2015 #46

It is an echo chamber. Indydem Jun 2015 #80

Catch a wave! Fumesucker Jun 2015 #17

+1 Marr Jun 2015 #18

Just spoke to a Vet who imthevicar Jun 2015 #20

Do you seriously think Bernie is going to be the winner? Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #30

I do, I seriously believe it. People like what he has to say and people are tired of Autumn Jun 2015 #34

So you think we Bernie supporters are not serious? Good luck with that. L0oniX Jun 2015 #38

i think it is very possible.bernie has tapped into restorefreedom Jun 2015 #39

100% correct. hifiguy Jun 2015 #95

i like the popeye point restorefreedom Jun 2015 #193

Like Bernie, he yam what he yam hifiguy Jun 2015 #194

that.s right.. bernie is the genuine article n/t restorefreedom Jun 2015 #198

Hell yeah, he's going to win. azmom Jun 2015 #43

the Whigs probably said similar things on their way out yurbud Jun 2015 #57

What a great picture of Bernie. He is so darned cute SaranchaIsWaiting Jun 2015 #41

Compare to this one... L0oniX Jun 2015 #53

Loved the "Hillary Clinton, the Harry Houdini of syntax" description Divernan Jun 2015 #45

Why do people - especially supposed Democrats - who bring that up whatthehey Jun 2015 #174

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jun 2015 #47

Bernie is awesome!!!!! fbc Jun 2015 #60

Interesting how people don't understand the Democratic Party political process... Historic NY Jun 2015 #72

You are correct. Le Taz Hot Jun 2015 #131

Nonsense; the delegates are elected by the most grassroots means possible whatthehey Jun 2015 #176

Well, no, it's not "nonsense." Le Taz Hot Jun 2015 #195

Something doesn't make sense. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #216

I meant that Bernie can do it with the help of an ENORMOUS, Le Taz Hot Jun 2015 #238

She's paid to not see it. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #73

Hillary's recitation of the lyrics to Paul McCartney's Yesterday is the perfect metaphor.... raindaddy Jun 2015 #77

Hillary is soooo 20th century Grilled Charlie Jun 2015 #163

Yep, it's a tale of two candidates... raindaddy Jun 2015 #168

"Hillary Clinton, the Harry Houdini of syntax." KnR! 2banon Jun 2015 #82

Sanders nomination would be a 1972 redux. Kingofalldems Jun 2015 #83

let's see Robbins Jun 2015 #102

Do what you must. Kingofalldems Jun 2015 #154

Maybe, maybe not, maybe both? azureblue Jun 2015 #84

Keep wishing good for the soul (nt) question everything Jun 2015 #89

Let me know how that wishing works out for you when Hillary looses ...again. L0oniX Jun 2015 #91

Oh don't be so uptight. Getting loose, too, is good for the soul question everything Jun 2015 #324

~ L0oniX Jun 2015 #333

Take Nancy Reagan's Advice: Just Say No Demeter Jun 2015 #98

Oh boy. I see another McGovern in our future. McCamy Taylor Jun 2015 #99

Miss Cleo lies a lot ...don't trust her. L0oniX Jun 2015 #106

or Dukakis redstateblues Jun 2015 #232

"A bigger problem for Clinton may be that we know what she thinks.' Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #105

Well, denial ain't just a river in Egypt. Beacool Jun 2015 #120

And they aren't electing another corporate dem Robbins Jun 2015 #125

Says a minority within the Democratic party. Beacool Jun 2015 #128

I don't care about winning white house with her Robbins Jun 2015 #134

OK, then I guess that you'll be OK with a Republican president. Beacool Jun 2015 #135

She won't be any different than a republican Robbins Jun 2015 #143

To say that she's no different than a Republican is where this conversation went off the rails. Beacool Jun 2015 #152

It's reality Robbins Jun 2015 #155

The frogs will be boiled by HRC as surely as they would be by a repuke hifiguy Jun 2015 #192

+1000 BeanMusical Jun 2015 #141

Bullshit Populist_Prole Jun 2015 #180

Since you brought up age, Bernie looks to be much healthier than HRC Divernan Jun 2015 #151

Who looks better is a matter of opinion. Beacool Jun 2015 #156

I, and my cat, tend to agree Android3.14 Jun 2015 #121

Oh yeah? Tell us how your cat is going to handle a call on the hot line at 2am? randome Jun 2015 #139

Your value laden analysis is belied by the empirical evidence DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #158

Your using polls a year and a half before election to say what outcome will be? Robbins Jun 2015 #164

Would you agree that even early polls are superior to value laden analysis DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #167

As was pointed out here yesterday hifiguy Jun 2015 #191

Your cat is not 35 years old... brooklynite Jun 2015 #215

Well all the people that are for HRC seem to disagree with you! What is this a political forum? Rex Jun 2015 #138

The second thing. randome Jun 2015 #140

Many will not see it because they follow the script. mmonk Jun 2015 #146

I feel that way, but... HassleCat Jun 2015 #149

K & R AzDar Jun 2015 #150

And the writer doesn't see the concept of "Super Delegates". JohnnyRingo Jun 2015 #173

LMAO! Yet, she is still leading by 50 points in all the polls! leftofcool Jun 2015 #175

But polls are meaningless expressions of name recognition... brooklynite Jun 2015 #182

I repeaJt, at this point in 1975, hifiguy Jun 2015 #196

Elections have changed a might in 40 years.... brooklynite Jun 2015 #201

interesting article, thanks! NuttyFluffers Jun 2015 #186

Says the guy who couldn't get elected Governor of Connecticut ... GeorgeGist Jun 2015 #202

he got 71% of the vote when last elected in 2012 AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #256

More prophecy. I admire the genuine faith and devotion of we often place in divine revelation. LanternWaste Jun 2015 #203

Case in point -- Indiana today. AngryOldDem Jun 2015 #221

She intends to buy the nomination... HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #227

That depends on how idiotic the Republican nominee is eridani Jun 2015 #225

Bookmarking for future reference Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #229

Great article. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #234

The problem I see with no one playing the game better than Hillary, is that this is NOT a game. mother earth Jun 2015 #243

Feel The Bern!!!! Fuddnik Jun 2015 #265

It's not a game. IMO it's the last chance to unchain the 1% from our government. L0oniX Jun 2015 #269

The defining issue of our time, absolutely. mother earth Jun 2015 #320

Yes, yes, of course. NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #259

This is the lesson that President Kucinich's campaign taught us. nt msanthrope Jun 2015 #275

Ahh yes President H. Clinton was elected in '08 because Denny K. was a loser d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #321

Yep Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #280

Hillary Thespian2 Jun 2015 #282

I think we're going to see lots more of this kind of press. Babel_17 Jun 2015 #283

Love this sellitman Jun 2015 #286

Feel the Bern! SoapBox Jun 2015 #287

Well there's an article that really gets it wrong... PBass Jun 2015 #290

nah. minorities, women, dinos will win the primary for her. Doctor_J Jun 2015 #298

I think seeing it is why she hired over 200 economic advisors. merrily Jun 2015 #308

Some people are about to get a lot more frustrated. Renew Deal Jun 2015 #309

If she wins Rafale Jun 2015 #312

We don't need no Wall St let the motherfuckers Bern. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #315