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Bonobo

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2. As POTUS Obama pointed out recently...

Tue Jun 23, 2015, 05:22 AM

Jun 2015

Simply having a receptive ear, not saying the "N" word and spouting sensitivity to the issues of people of color does not make up for enacting policies that are deleterious to the very people that one purports to be serving.

That is the kind way of saying "Money talks, bullshit walks".

If there were not more black people in prison as a result of the Drug War imposed by the Clintons (Yeah, I know it was Bill, I also know that Hillary was not a stay at home cookie-making mom and likes to boast of her strong influence.), more dead brown people (in the millions) as the result of war and embargoes, then I might be inclined to just leave it at "Yup, she's real nice to black folk!"

That isn't the case though. Policies matter.

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Hillary Clinton: Good for White Feminism, Bad for Racial Justice [View all] Bonobo Jun 2015 OP

All the candidates records on stand for good, none of them have taken money from white supremacist uponit7771 Jun 2015 #1

As POTUS Obama pointed out recently... Bonobo Jun 2015 #2

Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton are two different people why conflate the two? uponit7771 Jun 2015 #3

I reject the idea that Hillary takes credit for the good accomplishments Bonobo Jun 2015 #4

I reject the strawman that she takes credit for the good accomplishments, when has she done that? ti uponit7771 Jun 2015 #22

She touts her role as First Lady as part of her experience. Exilednight Jun 2015 #27

That's good, doesn't mean she was Bill Clinton as the article intimates in its conflation of the uponit7771 Jun 2015 #29

Bill's economic "success" is part of the reason Exilednight Jun 2015 #37

...riiiiight, Bill gave Ol George Bush a mess... Clinton raising taxes on the rich had nothing to... uponit7771 Jun 2015 #41

Two for the price of one, ready on day one is her motto. Exilednight Jun 2015 #47

WaPo from 2007: Hillary Clinton Embraces Her Husband's Legacy RufusTFirefly Jun 2015 #5

...and that still doesn't mean they're the same being. This line of thinking is crazy, the article.. uponit7771 Jun 2015 #23

Let's call this line of thinking what it is: sexism. okasha Jun 2015 #114

For one thing, they sold themselves that way. For another, they are NOT that different. For a third, merrily Jun 2015 #9

Any intimations they're the person is irrational at best. Conflating one with another as if they're uponit7771 Jun 2015 #24

The post to which I linked you does not say they are the same person. merrily Jun 2015 #25

Then who gives a damn, I agree with 90% of what Clinton did too and I'm not married to the uponit7771 Jun 2015 #26

Boy, you sure did a180. merrily Jun 2015 #28

This is false, Clinton was a damn good liberal president and Hillary and Bill are a team (hopefully) uponit7771 Jun 2015 #31

AGAIN, I never said they were the same person. Please stop repeating hyperbolic talking points that merrily Jun 2015 #36

Strawman, no one said you did. The article conflates the two beings and so do itimations uponit7771 Jun 2015 #43

Yet, you keep posting that comment to me, not to the OP. I did not write or post the article. merrily Jun 2015 #46

Merrily,that's an awesomely researched & powerful OP! Divernan Jun 2015 #30

Wow, I didn't know you were all those things. Thanks for such kind words, but it didn't take much merrily Jun 2015 #34

Yes, they are and it was well known that she was one of his most influential advisers. This she can jwirr Jun 2015 #110

She used race against Obama in 2008 again and again. merrily Jun 2015 #7

I would post the fake accent video, but I just ate chili... nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #8

I'll do it for you: marble falls Jun 2015 #18

you seem desperate! stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #6

To be fair, when you lift up women, you lift up all women. merrily Jun 2015 #10

To some extent gollygee Jun 2015 #11

I agree. It's to an extent. But, when you fight for equal pay for women and control of women's merrily Jun 2015 #14

I agree that some women's issues are about all women gollygee Jun 2015 #15

I didn't say it was an unfair criticism. My post is in the context of this thread, again, merrily Jun 2015 #16

After reading this and your thread in AA gollygee Jun 2015 #12

What coalition of women? Exilednight Jun 2015 #32

You must have reading comprehension issues gollygee Jun 2015 #40

Not at all. You said "the coalition many", did you not? Exilednight Jun 2015 #44

I said "many women and many people of color" gollygee Jun 2015 #58

Again, what coalition? Please show me these Exilednight Jun 2015 #66

You're playing games with the defintion of "coalition" gollygee Jun 2015 #69

Pretending that this imaginary coalition for Hillary Exilednight Jun 2015 #70

I don't care if it helps her as I'm not voting for her gollygee Jun 2015 #112

there's been an informal one here for years, and it seems to piss off the op bettyellen Jun 2015 #72

You can say it exists all you want, but I'm not seeing it. Exilednight Jun 2015 #75

You can downplay my life's experiences here- bettyellen Jun 2015 #85

And no one has answered my coalition question. Exilednight Jun 2015 #111

I get that none of what I said is real- or matters much to you. bettyellen Jun 2015 #113

It's called The Democratic Party. lovemydog Jun 2015 #119

That's not a coalition. The Rainbow Exilednight Jun 2015 #122

What is your final answer? lovemydog Jun 2015 #123

I keep asking and no one has the answer to this fictitious coalition. Exilednight Jun 2015 #124

Women are over 50% of the population. I would not set the standard of speaking with 1 voice. merrily Jun 2015 #45

Speaking with one voice is the definition of a coalition. Exilednight Jun 2015 #48

Bingo ... Trying to drive a wedge between women and PoC. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #35

Sowing division and distrust is a game he tried in the AA group. bettyellen Jun 2015 #64

I make a practice of following the very few ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #98

Indeed. n/t JTFrog Jun 2015 #77

And yet, according to her supporters... shaayecanaan Jun 2015 #13

that's not only her supporters. It's polls. merrily Jun 2015 #17

And which of the other candidates would be better for black feminism? JaneyVee Jun 2015 #19

I know which one would be better for racial justice. Bonobo Jun 2015 #20

Which Democratic candidate would be bad for African American feminism? merrily Jun 2015 #39

Take it to Red State dot com,,,,,geez Cryptoad Jun 2015 #21

Intersting article and interesting website ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #33

OP has a long history of "concern" for feminists. sufrommich Jun 2015 #38

The sincerity of his concern drips like melted ice cream... LanternWaste Jun 2015 #53

Hahahahahaha Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #68

Speaking of hahaha...."Socialist"...for Hillary? Romulox Jun 2015 #73

Letting the USSC fall to conservatives will Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #74

We haven't had primaries, yet, remember? You're supporting Hillary over Bernie while you still have Romulox Jun 2015 #76

And? Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #78

We all have a right to "evolve". But you support the corporate candidate over the more progressive Romulox Jun 2015 #79

Your opinion. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #80

Reality. You support the $2.5 *BILLION* candidate. Over the socialist. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #81

Yeah, I'd like my candidate to win. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #83

There are no atheists in a foxhole, I guess. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #84

Great, glad we got that cleared up for you. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #88

You're a regular revolutionary for the status quo. Romulox Jun 2015 #90

When the USSC strips collective bargaining Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #92

Supporting Wall Street's candidate (while we still have a choice!) doesn't help that. Romulox Jun 2015 #93

Yeah, seriously. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #94

Have the last word, if you like. Just disappointed to see another not walk the talk. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #95

I know who walks the talk around here. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #97

As a Trekkie, I'm still laughing at this. Beacool Jun 2015 #115

Her actions over many years were kind of consistent with each other. To me, they are far merrily Jun 2015 #42

Funny ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #51

And I responded to your post. Funny, rather than address what I said about Hillary, you attack the merrily Jun 2015 #52

But it's ok for you to refer to Hillary's supporters as a single entity? JTFrog Jun 2015 #82

Actually, I don't do that anywhere near in every post. That's false. merrily Jun 2015 #87

Oh there you go again, doing to others as you hate done to yourself. JTFrog Jun 2015 #89

Try again. My Reply 42 had relevance to the thread topic. merrily Jun 2015 #91

Good thing about discussion boards.... JTFrog Jun 2015 #96

There was an on topic comment in that post. Not so any post since. merrily Jun 2015 #103

You are hilarious. n/t JTFrog Jun 2015 #104

Come to think of it JTFrog, I cannot think of a single post of yours to me that was about any topic merrily Jun 2015 #99

I will post however the fuck I want. JTFrog Jun 2015 #102

Sorry, I ten to omit the sarcasm emote when I think any reasonable reader could figure it out. merrily Jun 2015 #105

Oh, I've figured it out just fine. n/t JTFrog Jun 2015 #106

No doubt the irrational mind allows a handful of examples to act as the standard. LanternWaste Jun 2015 #55

Neither irrational nor biased. There is no reason on earth that I would have started out merrily Jun 2015 #57

Easy there... Adrahil Jun 2015 #60

The broad brush of Bernie's supporters was OK with you, though? merrily Jun 2015 #61

Nope, I criticize that too, though there are plenty of others... Adrahil Jun 2015 #62

So, your response to my pointing out YOUR highly selective double standard is condescendingly merrily Jun 2015 #63

And we all know that people who care about economic justice are racists (nt) shaayecanaan Jun 2015 #117

More bullsh!t from the peanut gallery. No one has said that. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #118

Here. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #49

... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #50

+1...nt SidDithers Jun 2015 #54

... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #56

... SidDithers Jun 2015 #59

A very interesting article. Autumn Jun 2015 #65

. Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2015 #67

Actually, Hillary style triangulation/corporatism is horrible for women and children. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #71

Yes. Puts increasing numbers in poverty... HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #101

These posts are getting more and more ridiculous...nt joeybee12 Jun 2015 #86

Haiti. n/t L0oniX Jun 2015 #100

Benghazi !!! n/t obnoxiousdrunk Jun 2015 #107

Yes, Hillary is a strong advocate on women's issues, all over the world and I am very happy someone Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #108

Well I'm glad to see you finally care about feminism ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #109

Well, this is what he thinks of Obama. Beacool Jun 2015 #116

Yes, and? nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #120

Read "Women, Race and Class" by Angela Davis McCamy Taylor Jun 2015 #121