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Betty Karlson

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295. Lovely: we are now down to sematics.

Tue Jun 23, 2015, 05:22 AM

Jun 2015

Now I may not be a native speaker, but here is how I break up the composition of that statement.

What you have is an African-American president. => this statement is about the election of Barack Obama.

The African-American community (subject) => this sentence is about the African-American community

is proud (nominal sentence) => and how they feel

that this country has overcome racism and voted for him as president. => voting for Barack Obama and overcoming racism are equated. Implied is that in the past, an African-American man would not have won that race because of widespread racism. - Which had to be overcome by the nation.

The statement was about how the A-A community took pride in the election, and how in 2008 being A-A no longer (practically) disqualified someone from being electable to the highest office in the country.

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Sen. Bernie Sanders On How Democrats Lost White Voters [View all] William769 Jun 2015 OP

Is there a contortionist convention in town? arcane1 Jun 2015 #1

Can you imagine if Bernie had said something like this? I think he would be toast. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #76

Democrats lost voters, PDJane Jun 2015 #2

94 percent of African Americans vote Democratic BainsBane Jun 2015 #5

Given the choice between a Democrat who acts like a Republican AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #37

.... 840high Jun 2015 #58

You mean white voters BainsBane Jun 2015 #95

Something went over your head AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #97

A lot of things go over that person's head davidpdx Jun 2015 #114

Bull Sheepshank Jun 2015 #119

White women too, by a 13% margin went for Romney over Obama in 2012 progree Jun 2015 #94

Yes, but especially men BainsBane Jun 2015 #96

True on men. (paragraph) Here's a breakdown of the white female vote progree Jun 2015 #100

But exit polls don't line up with counted votes anymore. Not since valerief Jun 2015 #131

There is no reason to suggest that vote flipping BainsBane Jun 2015 #141

Well, 94% of African Americans who voted in the 2012 Presidential and were exit polled. merrily Jun 2015 #140

Amazing how many of you seem troubled more black votes don't go to Republicans BainsBane Jun 2015 #156

You pulled that right out of merrily Jun 2015 #157

You mean white voters- don't you? Since we didn't lose black voters bettyellen Jun 2015 #124

The USA *did* overcome racism enough to elect Barack Obama. delrem Jun 2015 #3

He's the one that said it not me. William769 Jun 2015 #4

He did NOT say that. YOU snipped the quote into something absolute. delrem Jun 2015 #6

How dare he quote Sanders BainsBane Jun 2015 #7

He just did what you are famous for. n/t delrem Jun 2015 #9

Really, what is that? BainsBane Jun 2015 #13

Wildly out of context partial quotes AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #35

How is the quote out of context? BainsBane Jun 2015 #52

By purposefully mis-interpreting what was said AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #64

He provided the entire interview BainsBane Jun 2015 #90

Which he took wildly out of context AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #92

What was the context, in your opinion? ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #115

You have batted it out of the park Aerows Jun 2015 #195

Bravo. pacalo Jun 2015 #217

You meant he wasn't talking about how and why POC vote as "unimportant" bettyellen Jun 2015 #123

Nothing you just said AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #214

You (and others) protest ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #228

Not just my interpretation- but I'm sure you already knew that. bettyellen Jun 2015 #230

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #45

Perhaps you should take a few minutes to follow the link provided in the thread and then correct Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #25

My post is correct. delrem Jun 2015 #31

I listened to Bernie in his own voice, would you want to call Bernie out for what he said? Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #65

I don't have a clue wtf you're talking about, at this time. delrem Jun 2015 #69

Did you follow the link in the thread? Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #71

. delrem Jun 2015 #72

Gotcha. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #74

My post is correct. delrem Jun 2015 #79

You said: Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #125

Yes, I did say that, and it is correct. BYE! delrem Jun 2015 #171

Truth is better accepted than to continue to run away from truth. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #172

^^^^THIS^^^^ snagglepuss Jun 2015 #68

hey, wanna give a listen to hillary's bigoted anti-LGBT speech all about the sanctity of cali Jun 2015 #14

Oh so you don't want to discuss what the OP is about William769 Jun 2015 #19

Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #23

I'm a proud Gay Man that has no problem whatsoever voting for Hillary. William769 Jun 2015 #24

She can't answer. She's off on a vacation from DU. MineralMan Jun 2015 #166

Oh my. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #190

Keep going William. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #301

The OP is about ... NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #57

Address the OP or make your own. nt sheshe2 Jun 2015 #98

Thread jacking at its best. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #302

So you're agreeing with Bernies position on America overcoming racism?! tia uponit7771 Jun 2015 #270

I think it slithered that way ->, uponit7771 delrem Jun 2015 #287

Some of our loss might be economics dsc Jun 2015 #8

Equal rights for all persons under the law is an universal ground of progressive thought. delrem Jun 2015 #17

Well said BainsBane Jun 2015 #20

I certainly don't think we should change our positions on civil rights, gay rights, or immigration dsc Jun 2015 #21

What has this got to do with "white voters". I mean, wtf? delrem Jun 2015 #26

the op is about white voters dsc Jun 2015 #38

It's about working class people *in general*. delrem Jun 2015 #51

we aren't losing black or Hispanic working class voters dsc Jun 2015 #54

Of course you aren't! The USA just elected Barack Obama! delrem Jun 2015 #56

again, I am not disputing that Obama won dsc Jun 2015 #62

I'm glad you're not disputing that Obama won! delrem Jun 2015 #67

Cool! Another Hillary supporter implying that Bernie is racist! How fucking unique! nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #10

Not implying. William769 Jun 2015 #11

He's right - we shouldn't vote for someone because of their race. Maedhros Jun 2015 #27

One AA President in the history of this country BainsBane Jun 2015 #88

But that is NOT what he said ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #233

+1, my eyebrow raised a couple of times in this interview... The "america has overcome racism" uponit7771 Jun 2015 #272

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #279

I'm Hip,... this interview was 8 months ago so I pray his ear has gotten a lot less tin when it come uponit7771 Jun 2015 #281

Yeah, just posting what Hillary said about gay marriage riderinthestorm Jun 2015 #33

This thread isn't about what HRC, or what anyone else, said. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #235

Except it's what you say he said AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #47

"You didn't build that" CANDO Jun 2015 #93

time to kick your video of hilly's bigoted speech on the "sanctity" of marriage cali Jun 2015 #15

I think I will do just that. nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #22

Go ahead and cry when you listen to this tape of Hillary Clinton race baiting Senator Obama in 2008 Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #12

enough is enough. post it cali Jun 2015 #18

Maybe some other time. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #36

Well I posted that in GD, and it was a disaster... Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #159

This site can be nuts sometimes! zappaman Jun 2015 #175

Sid Dithers sent me mail today and asked if I was "Ramses" ... Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #176

Did you cry when you listened to Bernie? Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #28

Hmmm . merrily Jun 2015 #139

So you are saying Bernie is smearing himself. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #142

Um, no. merrily Jun 2015 #143

You posted: Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #146

Nothing in my post indicated Bernie was the speaker of the words in my post. merrily Jun 2015 #147

The link is posted in the thread, if you listen you will hear Bernie speaking. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #149

Poster, please. You replied to my post, which was about smears being laid on Bernie by others. merrily Jun 2015 #150

What thread are you posting? Apparently you did not follow the thread because you would know Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #152

I replied to you, to what you said, and you replied to me. It's called a subthread. merrily Jun 2015 #153

Yeah it was misspoken. He could've said it better... JaneyVee Jun 2015 #16

More like taken out of context and deliberately miscontrued Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #29

yes Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2015 #32

Nope, America hasn't overcome racism... that's not even near reality uponit7771 Jun 2015 #273

You know, it's the dishonesty of your post that people are responding to. Marr Jun 2015 #30

We're going to get a 'to the ropes' year of this dishonesty, too. delrem Jun 2015 #289

FAIL AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #34

Racism in America is manufactured? leftofcool Jun 2015 #102

Insinuating Bernies statements are at all racist AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #215

I see, telling POC what is and is not a racist comment to them. leftofcool Jun 2015 #220

But more ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #240

Someone just tried to start the same shit about sexism, lol. bettyellen Jun 2015 #250

It's called ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #251

True- no one called Sanders a racist - that is total bullshit. bettyellen Jun 2015 #236

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #39

Who is the "shutup poor people" choir? DanTex Jun 2015 #42

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #48

And people wonder why he polls so poorly among minorities... DanTex Jun 2015 #40

Sanders has not dismissed immigration issues. TM99 Jun 2015 #44

I suppose that's true if you skip the part where he called them "not important". DanTex Jun 2015 #46

What is 'not important' is focusing TM99 Jun 2015 #53

Question. sheshe2 Jun 2015 #99

All of us, not just some of us. TM99 Jun 2015 #105

+1 n/t Oilwellian Jun 2015 #107

You're a little behind - he made 840high Jun 2015 #60

Link please. leftofcool Jun 2015 #221

Not in that interview!!! uponit7771 Jun 2015 #276

He has called for a path to citizenship on more ocassions than Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #82

Where are Bernies handlers?! "... America has overcome racism..." WTF?! uponit7771 Jun 2015 #274

Clinton and her supporters TM99 Jun 2015 #41

Dissecting the 2008 Electorate: Most Diverse in U.S. History Agnosticsherbet Jun 2015 #43

It's like 2008 all up in here, like the last time your candidate LOST.. frylock Jun 2015 #49

Isn't it though. AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #111

Kudos on posting outside the HRC forum Deny and Shred Jun 2015 #50

Posted to for later 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #55

I don't care what race or gender the person I vote for is... Kalidurga Jun 2015 #59

Clearly not his best moment. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #61

unrec. 840high Jun 2015 #63

You embarrass yourself Teamster Jeff Jun 2015 #66

I think ole Bernie did that. leftofcool Jun 2015 #104

I'm a minority voter and he's spot on Report1212 Jun 2015 #70

He's wrong period. leftofcool Jun 2015 #103

While I appreciate Chris Rock's TM99 Jun 2015 #109

Bernie is a 1964 member of SNCC Report1212 Jun 2015 #168

So? What has he done lately? leftofcool Jun 2015 #222

This is a horrible horrible post Report1212 Jun 2015 #246

Marching with MLK Jr. 50 years ago means nothing. Incredible, on a dem. thread charging appalachiablue Jun 2015 #253

1 rec Trajan Jun 2015 #73

Very true. People can't handle what Senator Sanders said. William769 Jun 2015 #75

yeah, just because Bernie's supporters aren't rec it doesn't mean anything except they Cha Jun 2015 #81

As a Bernie supporter I was happy to recommend these two OPs to get them on the greatest page. Autumn Jun 2015 #121

I've got no problems with what he said. It's how you twisted it that's kind of pathetic n/t Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #84

Shall we discuss how Aerows Jun 2015 #77

He's right. "you should not be basing your politics based on color." madfloridian Jun 2015 #78

Because ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #242

Nevermind, my mistake. Carry on. nt nc4bo Jun 2015 #80

i think this could have more to do with being from a mostly white state like Vermont JI7 Jun 2015 #83

LOL.. see that William.. someone said you "embarass yourself" bc you posted Bernie's statement.. so Cha Jun 2015 #85

They're talking about this bit where small snippets were taken out of context... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #87

Do you think politics should be based on color? madfloridian Jun 2015 #86

No. That's why when I read a story from The Hill that said that Clinton planned to pick Castro as Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #89

What bothers me is that the OP seems to think so. madfloridian Jun 2015 #91

So Julian Castro is the only Hispanic okasha Jun 2015 #184

I suggest they name their candidate instead of "another Hispanic." Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #201

Maybe Obama should have selected Joe Biden or another white candidate. Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #202

Kicking for 100 replies. sheshe2 Jun 2015 #101

Your excerpting severely distorts his meaning several times, I think. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2015 #106

What is he referring to as "not important" then? bettyellen Jun 2015 #118

I am embarrassed for you Motown_Johnny Jun 2015 #108

I haven't even seen his birth certificate. nt raouldukelives Jun 2015 #112

I really thought better of you William hootinholler Jun 2015 #113

Smears and weasel words... 99Forever Jun 2015 #120

So am I. Pretty low. 840high Jun 2015 #283

Bernie's comments on this sound very similar to what I have heard Republicans say. DCBob Jun 2015 #116

To overcome a bigotry is not to eradicate it, it is to overwhelm it with those who are not bigoted Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #117

Good thoughts but it's an awkward at best phrasing.... bettyellen Jun 2015 #122

No, all this is is another disingenuous attempt to falsely frame Senator Sanders as a Zorra Jun 2015 #128

Did he say those things or not???????????? leftofcool Jun 2015 #132

I think they're associating him w disinterest in black America - not racism. bettyellen Jun 2015 #133

No. It's a smear attempt, a misconstruing of the meaning and intent of Zorra Jun 2015 #154

Nope- there are no "filthy allegations" of racism. That is a manufactured smear on its face. bettyellen Jun 2015 #155

If you don't feel yourself to be intrinsically equal to all other human beings, Zorra Jun 2015 #161

Sanders showed his disinterest in black America when he fought for civil rights.. frylock Jun 2015 #158

Well were talking about the primary campaign but whatever. bettyellen Jun 2015 #163

yeah, whatevs.. frylock Jun 2015 #169

And here comes the mocking of women and POC bettyellen Jun 2015 #173

:bangshead: frylock Jun 2015 #182

Bang away! It's not just me wondering where he is on these issues.... bettyellen Jun 2015 #231

Senators Sanders record on these issues leaves no doubt as to where he stands.. frylock Jun 2015 #247

I have a candidate? Lol. Please stop making shit up. bettyellen Jun 2015 #248

"Please stop making shit up." frylock Jun 2015 #249

I don't believe you just said this. sheshe2 Jun 2015 #178

I don't believe we have to go through this same routine. . frylock Jun 2015 #183

I do- Sanders can "agree to disagree" about some life and death issues that effect women... bettyellen Jun 2015 #232

What a bullshit article. TM99 Jun 2015 #282

I know, huh ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #243

It's bizarre- when I posted this Salon article that quotes him- it's also bettyellen Jun 2015 #244

Overcome: to succeed in dealing with a problem (a problem or difficulty) Zorra Jun 2015 #126

Reclaiming the votes of working class white men IS a problem to be solved. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #127

from 2008: Clinton Touts White Support................ Autumn Jun 2015 #129

Is nothing too false or too low? merrily Jun 2015 #130

This is a deliberate and dishonest smear attempt. sammythecat Jun 2015 #134

I dealt with the same post over at kos Mnpaul Jun 2015 #162

I'm hispanic, and before Bernie entered the azmom Jun 2015 #135

This is insanely tone-deaf, even though I'm pretty sure he didn't mean it Arkana Jun 2015 #136

Questions for Bernie supporters: His NPR interview ('You shouldn't base your politics on your color) bigtree Jun 2015 #137

There is no low many Hillary Clinton supporters won't go to. 99Forever Jun 2015 #138

A new, but not unexpected low. HappyMe Jun 2015 #144

I give my semar garbage an F also because I have none. William769 Jun 2015 #145

Of course you would. HappyMe Jun 2015 #148

Not trying to. William769 Jun 2015 #151

You are no better or different than the OP of a smear thread that just got hid. 99Forever Jun 2015 #160

You support your's HappyMe Jun 2015 #164

They think Bernie's own words "smear" him.. so be it. Cha Jun 2015 #179

It damn sure is a rabbit hole series with them. William769 Jun 2015 #180

.. Cha Jun 2015 #181

Hi Cha. It's very clear it's the OP's misquoting of his words that's the smear. Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #185

Trust me, she heard you yesterday. William769 Jun 2015 #186

So she knows that it's yr comments that's the smear, not Sander's comments. Oh-kay... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #187

She knows what Senator Sanders said. William769 Jun 2015 #188

She knows what you said when you misquoted him isn't what Sanders said... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #189

If this is a hit piece, Senator Sanders did it to himself. William769 Jun 2015 #191

Why did the Hillary campaign release the photo of Obama in a turban, William? Bonobo Jun 2015 #193

No, it's yr comments after what he said that makes it a hit piece... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #196

I know the truth hurts. William769 Jun 2015 #197

Yes, I've noticed it seems to... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #198

Exactly, William.. and I agree with the comments on Sen Sanders statement that were Not taken out Cha Jun 2015 #204

Sorry, but the comments after what Sanders said were taken out of context... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #208

If Sandes brushes aside issues and people notice- how are the people who notice the problem? bettyellen Jun 2015 #234

The article said he's strongly pro-choice... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #238

Yet he just can't say it- not when appearing in Wisconsin of all places, not on his website.... bettyellen Jun 2015 #239

Hillary Clinton: "I respect those who believe..there are no circumstances under which any abortion Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #266

Because she was speaking in full support of preserving the right to choose and reaching out to try bettyellen Jun 2015 #267

There were a lot of pro-choice people pissed off about the way she courted "values voters" back then Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #268

For me, he needs to put it on his website. And talk about it now. bettyellen Jun 2015 #269

I agree. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #288

I'm shocked at people expecting voters do research, because largely they do not. bettyellen Jun 2015 #305

Well I'm gonna give all the candidates benefit of the doubt that they're going to address lots of Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #307

Maybe you should read what a PoC has to say. sheshe2 Jun 2015 #199

Maybe *you* should read what a PoC has to say... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #200

It only matters when POC agree with them. Bonobo Jun 2015 #203

Yep, exactly. The reply I just got to one of my posts confirmed that entirely... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #209

TM99 sheshe2 Jun 2015 #205

And? Yr point about the post I linked to for you to read? Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #207

Exactly. sheshe2 Jun 2015 #212

I dunno. I think it's wrong to dismiss AA DUers that don't post in the AA group... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #227

What about Brother Ivan? Bonobo Jun 2015 #211

Who claimed that women and POC in GD are faking concerns because they're in the bag for bettyellen Jun 2015 #245

A bizarre and incomprehensible concoction of lies and fabrications that is infamous. appalachiablue Jun 2015 #254

Yes, because I don't post in AA TM99 Jun 2015 #285

I don't understand responses like this. If you interpreted the ecstatic Jun 2015 #167

The contempt on this thread is incredible to read. bettyellen Jun 2015 #174

Precisely.. how dare anyone offer an opinion on Bernie's quotes that were Not taken out Cha Jun 2015 #216

That's offensive ecstatic Jun 2015 #165

Thank you for your post, ecstatic..I find Bernie's words offensive too.. they're not being "twisted" Cha Jun 2015 #206

I don't support Bernie Sanders nor Hillary Clinton yet I know they were twisted... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #210

To you? Why don't you ask what POC believe? leftofcool Jun 2015 #223

LOL. leftofcool thinks all POC think the same way. Bonobo Jun 2015 #224

Why? Anyone who can read can see the misquoting and creative commentary going on by the OP n/t Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #226

The Reagan Democrats won't leave the GOP. n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #170

I don't vote based on race. SamKnause Jun 2015 #177

FLASHBACK TO A REAL SMEAR (From HRC campaign) Bonobo Jun 2015 #192

Hey, at least her campaign talked about race.. frylock Jun 2015 #275

Absolutely. They were just SO SHOCKED that the Obama camp took umbrage at that. Bonobo Jun 2015 #277

+1, Not surprising that people who would defend/ignore that would also do what the OP is doing. Marr Jun 2015 #303

It was truly one of the sleaziest, sleaziest things ever and I cannot imagine how one Bonobo Jun 2015 #304

This is a problem. Whether the BS Group wants to admit it or not. That kickoff, that looked like a Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #194

Yeah, turns out Bernie was wrong.. "What you got is an African American President, and the African Cha Jun 2015 #213

Exactly. It was white folks who wanted to rush to declare racism over. That way, they never have.. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #257

Yeah, Justice Roberts and Bernie among others declaring.. ".. this country overcame racism when Cha Jun 2015 #258

William, you are totallly misinterpreting what Bernie is saying. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #218

Bernie Sanders is the one who doesn't know what he's talking about and he needs to be challenged Cha Jun 2015 #219

His supporters will keep sweeping this under the rug. leftofcool Jun 2015 #225

It's not just black communities, he pretty much fucked up the span in this interview. Immigration.. uponit7771 Jun 2015 #280

No credibility at all with the racist straw man- sorry but we are not the only ones noticing: bettyellen Jun 2015 #241

What does Bernie mean when he says: "How is your family doing?" DCBob Jun 2015 #229

I have to agree - when he talks about MORE vacation time who so many have none- bettyellen Jun 2015 #237

Sanders is very aware of the need for paid sick, vacation & maternity leave for workers & families. appalachiablue Jun 2015 #255

This reveals the disconnect ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #252

His call for one's politics to be based on how one's family is doing, ignores PoC's lived experience Cha Jun 2015 #260

Good points, DCBob. Cha Jun 2015 #259

He used the word correctly. It wasn't poorly stated. RichVRichV Jun 2015 #256

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #262

Bernie said nothing about "this instance" ... he said "America has overcome racism" which is about uponit7771 Jun 2015 #278

Stop twisting words please. Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #261

Here ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #263

No. Just no. eom Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #264

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #265

Sanders statement about the country overcoming racism is NOT twisting words at all... his direct uponit7771 Jun 2015 #271

We have overcome a lot of racism in this country. TM99 Jun 2015 #284

"a lot" wasn't what Bernie said, that would've been better but to say America voting for someone uponit7771 Jun 2015 #290

Pay attention to everything he has said TM99 Jun 2015 #294

I read the whole damn thing, I can read what he said and it is what it is... uponit7771 Jun 2015 #296

Did you read the provided links? TM99 Jun 2015 #298

Sanders derided the politicians who use race as a wedge issue. See context of the quote. Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #286

I'm talking about him saying that America had overcome racism, that's HIS WORDS that's not uponit7771 Jun 2015 #291

No, what he said was Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #292

There was no "extent" in that statement... I'm reading what BERNIE said not what people are saying uponit7771 Jun 2015 #293

Lovely: we are now down to sematics. Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #295

Well done. TM99 Jun 2015 #297

You're qualifying a statement that Bernie did not qualify, there's nothing there that indicates that uponit7771 Jun 2015 #299

We are going to have to agree to disagree Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #306

K & R. nt. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #300