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66. Once Fast Track is approved

Tue Jun 23, 2015, 06:32 PM

Jun 2015

the game is over. The entire FT process is designed as a work-around to the entire concept of debate and amend. Yea or Nay. No changes allowed. That is the whole of what FT IS.

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So, TPP Fast Track has passed. RIP American Middle Class [View all] hifiguy Jun 2015 OP

Also RIP a government of the people, by the people, for the people. Elwood P Dowd Jun 2015 #1

That's a separate obituary. hifiguy Jun 2015 #2

Hyperbole much? SCantiGOP Jun 2015 #23

No,not at all. This is another nail in the coffin.... Human101948 Jun 2015 #29

Not only that, buy local laws will be gone, hifiguy Jun 2015 #36

Well said, great OP! haikugal Jun 2015 #85

Well said! nt Mojorabbit Jun 2015 #89

Perfect explanation MrMickeysMom Jun 2015 #91

+1 nt Live and Learn Jun 2015 #103

VERY WELL SAID! Rockyj Jun 2015 #128

Well said. Owl Jun 2015 #154

Thank you all, but hifiguy Jun 2015 #155

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jun 2015 #3

The old Army acronym BOHICA hifiguy Jun 2015 #92

It will soon be FUBAR Chisox08 Jun 2015 #109

BGIIGH (pronounced Ba-GEE) hifiguy Jun 2015 #129

Translate please? nt LiberalElite Jun 2015 #159

Right here: hifiguy Jun 2015 #160

Heh. Thanks! nt LiberalElite Jun 2015 #161

Didn't I see somewhere that the text of TPP would remain secret 99th_Monkey Jun 2015 #4

Eeyup, you did. The most "sensitive" parts hifiguy Jun 2015 #5

Where did you read this? Raine1967 Jun 2015 #56

Right here hifiguy Jun 2015 #57

Thank you. Raine1967 Jun 2015 #74

No prob! Always glad to pass along good links. hifiguy Jun 2015 #75

I am perusing this article. Raine1967 Jun 2015 #76

Let me do some more digging. I saw in from a very reputable source hifiguy Jun 2015 #80

I really want you to know, I am against the TPP. But: I am trying to figure this out. Raine1967 Jun 2015 #93

I think it's in the fast track bill. But not sure. nm rhett o rick Jun 2015 #158

Ducking in to correct the inaccuracy ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #133

The negotiating drafts? Raine1967 Jun 2015 #134

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #135

Raine, my understanding is that the TPA passed by the Senate requires the final agreement to be made Hoyt Jun 2015 #138

I have no doubt you saw that Recursion Jun 2015 #156

That is an important distinction, final deal passed v. negotiations & draft texts. 99th_Monkey Jun 2015 #162

Yep... WillyT Jun 2015 #6

I wouldn't put the birth of the middle class as 1920. republicans created huge inequality pampango Jun 2015 #7

I agree somewhat, but the Twenties saw a lot of people move up in society. hifiguy Jun 2015 #8

Much wealth was created in the 1920's but, just like today, most went to the 1%. pampango Jun 2015 #10

It was a productivity explosion far more than any government policies. hifiguy Jun 2015 #12

Salute! Octafish Jun 2015 #9

Thank you, Octafish. hifiguy Jun 2015 #13

+1. Sad day. nt navarth Jun 2015 #55

Time to sharpen the guillotines. n/t PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #11

Fuck that...........dull blades will be just fine. n/t Enthusiast Jun 2015 #27

.. PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #34

+1 Alittleliberal Jun 2015 #42

Yep. 99Forever Jun 2015 #82

yes a butter knife will do just fine! TheNutcracker Jun 2015 #83

After we squish their nuts with the pliers. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #105

Oh, I like the way you think! Le Taz Hot Jun 2015 #107

Just one week of a well planned nationwide general strike and boycott, Zorra Jun 2015 #122

I would be on board for this. n/t PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #123

Why pull them off the ledges? hifiguy Jun 2015 #127

The American Middle Class (1938 FDR New Deal - 1994 NAFTA) Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #14

Yeah, it wasn't bad. hifiguy Jun 2015 #17

So you have .. sendero Jun 2015 #111

Well they were all a bunch of freeloaders anyway zeemike Jun 2015 #15

WTF? ibewlu606 Jun 2015 #16

Good. I won't vote for her either. Time 840high Jun 2015 #18

Same with one of mine, Feinstein dreamnightwind Jun 2015 #20

Save your vitriol lark Jun 2015 #48

Well since the last vote may not happen until after the 2016 election... Cryptoad Jun 2015 #19

Fucking sick of you characterizing concerns as whining. God damned sick of it. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #31

Not any sicker than I am of people whining..... Cryptoad Jun 2015 #78

Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #106

you just can't stay away from the persoanl attacks..... lol. Cryptoad Jun 2015 #108

So "Whiner" is not a personal attack. bahrbearian Jun 2015 #113

I Never called you a whiner. geez Cryptoad Jun 2015 #119

I never said you did geez ... bahrbearian Jun 2015 #146

I never said you said I said ,,,,,,, is this a pissing contest? Cryptoad Jun 2015 #147

The middle class was created by labor unions AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #21

Yep. From FDR until Carter - sorry, it's true - all Democratic presidents hifiguy Jun 2015 #25

+1! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #32

This TPP is even more egregious than the Iraq War Vote. nt. LaydeeBug Jun 2015 #22

Not moreso, but equally, IMO. hifiguy Jun 2015 #26

It is right up there. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #33

LOL tridim Jun 2015 #136

? .. What is the message here? Trajan Jun 2015 #152

Oh, you're just a *scream*. LaydeeBug Jun 2015 #164

() Jack Rabbit Jun 2015 #24

I will never forgive Obama for this. avebury Jun 2015 #28

^^^That^^^ onecaliberal Jun 2015 #47

Gone, but not forgotten ... seveneyes Jun 2015 #30

Dont you DARE put this all on TPP and Obama, how about Reagan? randys1 Jun 2015 #35

Reagan is the first co-murderer I mention in the OP hifiguy Jun 2015 #37

Buy-partisanship. It's beautiful, for the CEO Party, Investor Class and Transnational Corporations. appalachiablue Jun 2015 #114

Bi-partisan? HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #130

But Obama praised Reagan whathehell Jun 2015 #40

Lets be perfectly clear on this issue...................... turbinetree Jun 2015 #51

To this issue, yes. But Reagan killed the middle class with his tax policies and anti union randys1 Jun 2015 #52

Is Obama a Republican? Is that a rhetorial joke? Help me out here why Obama pushed for this TPP. WinkyDink Jun 2015 #61

I agree with with your opinion turbinetree Jun 2015 #94

FDR started fast track Recursion Jun 2015 #71

I don't think so turbinetree Jun 2015 #95

Yeah, that blogger needs to research some more Recursion Jun 2015 #96

Well, now, Ronnie ain't in the WH now, IS he? WinkyDink Jun 2015 #59

Who is Prez now???? 840high Jun 2015 #63

Coda: Buns_of_Fire Jun 2015 #38

Why aren't we doing this? Cleita Jun 2015 #39

Shit, why aren't we doing hifiguy Jun 2015 #44

We only do this when it's too late lofty1 Jun 2015 #125

So Repugs can screw people and don't get mentioned? lark Jun 2015 #41

Repugs would not have had the votes to pass without the DINOS. Cleita Jun 2015 #43

... hifiguy Jun 2015 #46

True lark Jun 2015 #50

We have no influence over Republicans. Maedhros Jun 2015 #53

WE EXPECT REPUKES TO FUCK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE Skittles Jun 2015 #99

Yeah, his treachery on this has been heartbreaking. lark Jun 2015 #121

+1000 BeanMusical Jun 2015 #131

It's worth mentioning that 6 of the 13 had previously voted for both NAFTA and CAFTA, and that Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #115

Feinstein always goes with big money, lark Jun 2015 #120

Yes I know, she was my Senator for many years. Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #124

And P.O. has his golden parachute. Phlem Jun 2015 #45

He has nothing but an endless Yellow Brick Road ahead of him hifiguy Jun 2015 #49

Was it 13 Dem's? We need a most wanted poster with Phlem Jun 2015 #54

Money buys phony "campaigns" that mean NOTHING for elections that mean NOTHING. Politics is now seen WinkyDink Jun 2015 #58

When are the global corporations and Wall Street going to start officially paying raindaddy Jun 2015 #60

They do. It's just after they leave government that the payment begins. hifiguy Jun 2015 #64

See the Clintons... raindaddy Jun 2015 #69

The only thing that could be more obvious than the post-presidency payoff to the Clintons hifiguy Jun 2015 #70

People are demonstrating how politically ignorant they are MohRokTah Jun 2015 #62

Once Fast Track is approved hifiguy Jun 2015 #66

No, it isn't over. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #72

First, its not a treaty. Calling it an agreement is how they bypass the two thirds requirement. Elwood P Dowd Jun 2015 #79

That is blindingly obvious to anyone paying attention. hifiguy Jun 2015 #81

The general feeling is that once TPA is passed, TPP is a shoo-in. Buns_of_Fire Jun 2015 #68

Two votes, one in the House and one in the Senate. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #73

At least we should get to see it in all its hideous glory, now. Buns_of_Fire Jun 2015 #87

IT'S NOT FINALIZED YET! MohRokTah Jun 2015 #88

what? Egnever Jun 2015 #97

I know it's not finalized. There's been to reason to, with the possibility Buns_of_Fire Jun 2015 #104

I can't remember who it was that kept saying in his last term we would see the real Autumn Jun 2015 #65

The cat was out of the bag when Geithner and HRC were his hifiguy Jun 2015 #67

anyone who paid attention could see that coming Skittles Jun 2015 #100

Really too sad to post a coherent thought senseandsensibility Jun 2015 #77

EVERYTHING IS A TRICK FOR THE RICH. 1handclapn Jun 2015 #84

The USA has one of two pathways in the next 20-30 years. roamer65 Jun 2015 #86

I think the oligarchic fascism hifiguy Jun 2015 #90

Let them eat jellybeans. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #98

Oh, my. NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #101

I don't know about you.... StandingInLeftField Jun 2015 #126

Zero predictions by the DU hair-on-fire brigade have ever come true. tridim Jun 2015 #137

Curious ... Trajan Jun 2015 #153

The Sensible Centrist Woodchucks have been telling us for 35 years hifiguy Jun 2015 #143

Go peddle it elsewhere. NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #148

Facts are stubborn things. nt hifiguy Jun 2015 #149

Yes, they are. NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #150

The most dangerous hyperbole is coming from the Wall Street crowd pushing TPP. Elwood P Dowd Jun 2015 #157

RIP in Peace, America. Drunken Irishman Jun 2015 #102

Really great post, but the title is wrong. It isn't too late to correct it. RiverLover Jun 2015 #110

Well, I dunno. malthaussen Jun 2015 #112

Honestly they took us out around 1980 - TBF Jun 2015 #116

Oh FFS treestar Jun 2015 #117

Oh FFS. BeanMusical Jun 2015 #132

. stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #118

Agreed except for one part... blackspade Jun 2015 #139

I had a hard time deciding just when the birth date was. hifiguy Jun 2015 #140

The explosion of consumerism is a product of the Victorian Era blackspade Jun 2015 #141

Shot me a PM with titles hifiguy Jun 2015 #144

Will do when I get home from work. blackspade Jun 2015 #145

... Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #142

Now is time to work our arses off to get Bernie Sanders elected! And get progressives in Congress! peacebird Jun 2015 #151

'House of Cards' TV show seems unrealistically idealistic tonight HFRN Jun 2015 #163