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napi21

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86. Maybe on the tax rate, but not on most of his issues.

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 01:47 AM

Jun 2015

Bernie is different than most politicians we're familiar with. He doesn't "play" to certain groups, then change to get the middle of the roaders. Bernie hs talked the same way as he's talking now for YEARS. I've listened to him on Fridays when he's on the Thom Hartmann show. I have heard him state the same positions over the years on the show that he's now saying on the campaign trail.

Bernie is for real! Not like every other politician who couches their words to make sure the don't upset anyone. Notice how he answers every question anyone asks him. The others talk and talk but in the end, you realize they never answered the question! If he gets asked something he doesn't know, he'll either say "I don't know but I'll find out for you." Or "That's a question that can't be answered because it's speculation and I don't guess."

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Nominate Bernie and we lose 49 states. It's that simple. [View all] davishenderson265 Jun 2015 OP

CNN Poll: "Majority of voters do not trust or like Clinton" Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #1

es it is but it is not viable in the USA. davishenderson265 Jun 2015 #6

Wrong, you are referring back to decades ago. A recent Gallup Poll shows that nearly 50% of sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #235

WSJ/NBC Poll Finds Hillary Clinton in a Strong Position brooklynite Jun 2015 #53

New NBC poll: 92% of likely Democratic voters say they'd be comfortable supporting Clinton. pnwmom Jun 2015 #55

I wrote that this thread isn't helpful but your assertion that Hillary Clinton DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #142

I think I'm going to be sick Matariki Jun 2015 #280

... SidDithers Jun 2015 #163

I don't know which post is more wrong, yours or the OP...amazing randys1 Jun 2015 #201

eys PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #2

yeah, like nominate a black man and lose the presidency for a decade. ok nt msongs Jun 2015 #3

Obama had a much better chance than Bernie ever would.. davishenderson265 Jun 2015 #9

I disagree with the original poster but using Obama as a surrogate for Sanders is facile./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #145

That was *exactly* the argument during the 2008 Primaries Matariki Jun 2015 #281

I don't remember serious analysts or political scientists ... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #282

That comparison is foolish for a host of reasons. Orrex Jun 2015 #185

Sorry you feel that way, I think you are wrong. Nominate Hillary & we lose the election. Truth. peacebird Jun 2015 #4

word. n/t restorefreedom Jun 2015 #30

Amen. CanadaexPat Jun 2015 #129

The OP is stupid but your assertion is belied by the evidence DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #146

+1 hifiguy Jun 2015 #192

But how? Surely you agree that if everyone who wants to vote is allowed to vote, unless there is randys1 Jun 2015 #202

No, after winning the primary he will move towards the center. Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #5

Good point. Hoyt Jun 2015 #42

It would still be a massive improvement over our current system kenfrequed Jun 2015 #69

Maybe on the tax rate, but not on most of his issues. napi21 Jun 2015 #86

ROFLMAO hootinholler Jun 2015 #110

When did Bernie call for a 90% tax rate? Enthusiast Jun 2015 #254

I'll be objective about this... AZ Progressive Jun 2015 #7

Obama was accused of being a socialist. Bernie proudly wears the label of "Democratic Socialist." pnwmom Jun 2015 #57

rw radio is already describing him as a "aging socialist" in a dismissive way DrDan Jun 2015 #106

Was anybody who listens to RW radio going to vote for Hillary? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #128

Just agreeing with the post I responded to DrDan Jun 2015 #164

They only think they have the high ground. CanSocDem Jun 2015 #279

Ok, if you say so n/t arcane1 Jun 2015 #8

Don't worry. (nt) enough Jun 2015 #10

Maybe...maybe not ibegurpard Jun 2015 #11

Lol, Ok, nt Logical Jun 2015 #12

Nearly Half Of Americans Would Vote For A Socialist For President arcane1 Jun 2015 #13

Bernie would lose 49 states. davishenderson265 Jun 2015 #14

No he wouldn't. arcane1 Jun 2015 #16

Bernie is on a very sharp upward trend right now.. Splatterpunk Jun 2015 #17

Won't happen. Not in TN redstateblues Jun 2015 #63

Centrist Gore lost in TN frylock Jun 2015 #72

And Clinton won't win TN either. So it's moot. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2015 #194

Actually it's not moot. Clinton will make it close enough that the GOP nominee stevenleser Jun 2015 #241

Because fantasy world Clinton is competitive in all 50 states! She's gonna take Alabama! (nt) jeff47 Jun 2015 #249

Nope, that is your straw man. nt stevenleser Jun 2015 #250

So she only takes Mississippi? jeff47 Jun 2015 #251

Democrats generally lose in Tennessee anyway. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #255

Last place out of all options given Renew Deal Jun 2015 #177

Nearly half said they would consider it treestar Jun 2015 #244

thanks for your concern grasswire Jun 2015 #15

You ignore large parts of history edhopper Jun 2015 #18

Not falling anymore for warnings of what might happen if we don't do this or that. No more. madfloridian Jun 2015 #19

I'm not just voting. (And I'm sure you're not either.) SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #35

I am voting for Bernie, then comes the hard part. madfloridian Jun 2015 #51

Ignored constituents, yep. nt SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #97

I'm voting for Bernie Sanders in Tn. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2015 #153

+1! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #256

Which one, Mondale or McGovern? immoderate Jun 2015 #20

I'm not sure it's 49, but around 40-45 is likely stevenleser Jun 2015 #21

Bernie will do very well in the south virtualobserver Jun 2015 #43

If he's in the south to get a suntan maybe, not in a general election. stevenleser Jun 2015 #49

the reason that he will do well is that he will be expressing anger.... virtualobserver Jun 2015 #75

There are always progressive candidates in the South doing that. And they always lose big. stevenleser Jun 2015 #151

apples and oranges virtualobserver Jun 2015 #189

Nope, its apples and apples. People trying to appeal to the same constituency using the same logic. stevenleser Jun 2015 #190

I've not heard any Democratic politician speak in the way that Bernie speaks...... virtualobserver Jun 2015 #215

Then you haven't been paying attention. There is nothing unique about Bernies stevenleser Jun 2015 #225

So what you are really saying is, Hillary is not a progressive..... virtualobserver Jun 2015 #229

Nope, but interesting straw man. Nt stevenleser Jun 2015 #231

just the logical conclusion reached from your posts- Hillary is not a Progressive. virtualobserver Jun 2015 #232

Nope, it's not the logical conclusion. It's the one you are forcing. Nt stevenleser Jun 2015 #242

ok, then......if not less progressive... virtualobserver Jun 2015 #248

She's just super appealing. That Clinton charisma, don't ya know. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #257

I'm here on Sunday 6-28 to point out that you are agreeing with a banned bigot Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #273

This was before those bigoted OPs. Your attempt at correlation is invalid. stevenleser Jun 2015 #275

You understand the various problems with this comment to me right? stevenleser Jun 2015 #277

unrec G_j Jun 2015 #22

Why that's ridiculous. Unless.. Bonobo Jun 2015 #23

Bingo! maybe they aren't as committed as they demand of others. nt Snotcicles Jun 2015 #29

Bazinga! nt SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #37

PUMAv2 frylock Jun 2015 #73

They tried the PUMA thing in 2008, and got laughed at. n/t backscatter712 Jun 2015 #188

Your 'concern' is palpable. [n/t] Maedhros Jun 2015 #24

Very palpable Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #65

I can't even imagine how bad the internal polling must look frylock Jun 2015 #74

Plus, if Bernie won he would eventually be forced out of office. Elwood P Dowd Jun 2015 #25

. SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #39

I reject these absolutes so early in the game. nt Snotcicles Jun 2015 #26

Exactly. nt SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #40

Thank you for your CONCERN nt geek tragedy Jun 2015 #27

So be it n/t whatchamacallit Jun 2015 #28

I believe you're wrong. TDale313 Jun 2015 #31

add +1 to the "Bernie is unelectable" meme counter. nt antigop Jun 2015 #32

My attitude has changed since I've seen public school teachers ridiculed and shamed publicly. madfloridian Jun 2015 #33

I hate to say it, but SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #45

Of course, it's about the SCOTUS Splatterpunk Jun 2015 #52

Oh, it would be the (somewhat) lesser of two evils, for sure. SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #98

Oh, just stop. JUST. STOP. with the SCOTUS boogeyman. antigop Jun 2015 #56

It's not a bogeyman to me, but SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #96

Well, that's incredibly selfish since it will have an impact for generations. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #121

And NAFTA, DOMA, DADT, TM99 Jun 2015 #130

Abortion rights will be gone if a Democrat is not elected in 2016. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #132

I disagree. TM99 Jun 2015 #139

It's about SCOTUS. Are you unaware of the massive attacks on choice? Women being jailed? PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #143

You missed my point. TM99 Jun 2015 #144

My point is that anyone who "doesn't give a flying fuck about SCOTUS" is a selfish jerk. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #148

It is not my highest priority. TM99 Jun 2015 #149

Nobody's holding you hostage, TM. And that's hardly the 'single issue' which would be impacted. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #152

I won't be "held hostage by a fear tactic" either. Enough of the SCOTUS boogeyman. nt antigop Jun 2015 #183

Nope. Not true. People need decent jobs and the corporatists will just outsource more and more antigop Jun 2015 #171

Anyone who "doesn't give a flying fuck about SCOTUS" is an asshole.. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #176

No one posted the words you quoted. And I noticed you didn't address what I posted. antigop Jun 2015 #178

Lol, right flying "leap" wink wink PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #180

You misquoted and still didn't address what I posted. Who's being selfish? nt antigop Jun 2015 #182

Bernie will win so..... Enthusiast Jun 2015 #261

All those attacks on choice were designed to generate fear. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #260

No, they were designed to restrict acces. And they're working. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #262

I think you're wrong. The attacks on women's rights will be a negative come election time. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #263

Did you see ANYTHING I posted above that you replied to? PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #264

It was a complete smokescreen. It's quite revealing that you spent five seconds providing us with Enthusiast Jun 2015 #267

You obviously don't know shit about abortion rights. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #268

You and your buddies only wish that was true. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #270

I have no idea what you're talking about our what "buddies" you're referring to. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #271

+1! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #259

Also, 2 out of 3 of those listed in your title were overturned under a Democrat. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #150

exactly. I am FAR more concerned about the damage another corporatist will do. nt antigop Jun 2015 #170

and putting in a corporate Dem will have an impact for generations. So who's being selfish? nt antigop Jun 2015 #169

I'd say it's "incredibly selfish" it you don't care about people losing their jobs. nt antigop Jun 2015 #172

You're very very confused. I'm talking general election. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #174

no, you're the one who's confused. nt antigop Jun 2015 #175

. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #179

I am living in Texas with the consequences of the loss of the Voting Rights Act Gothmog Jun 2015 #208

more boogeyman....ooh, scary. Sorry... not falling for it as others are on DU. antigop Jun 2015 #209

Do you think it is fun telling voters that they can not vote because the can not pay a poll tax Gothmog Jun 2015 #211

Do you think it's fun for laid off tech workers to have to work at Home Depot? I repeat... antigop Jun 2015 #214

and I work in the tech industry and have seen thousands of colleagues lose their jobs to outsourcing antigop Jun 2015 #210

Seriously? treestar Jun 2015 #245

You are so right. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #258

I wouldn't worry about Bernie supporters at this stage of the game. Kalidurga Jun 2015 #34

Of course "they" are really worried SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #48

I can't think of any other reason than they are worried. Kalidurga Jun 2015 #77

Sorry, but just because you haven't seen attacks don't mean they won't happen... Sancho Jun 2015 #137

Oh I have seen the attacks, they are nothing more than a case of the vapors though. Kalidurga Jun 2015 #147

Ok, we disagree. To me they are real issues. Sancho Jun 2015 #156

Good for you. Kalidurga Jun 2015 #158

What are these issues that you speak of? frylock Jun 2015 #220

hmmm....I'm not sure public vetting works here. Sancho Jun 2015 #230

Sorry but at this point in time I don't look at it that way at all. lovemydog Jun 2015 #36

The Clinton Foundation called. You can pick up your check anytime. tularetom Jun 2015 #38

The 1950's called, they want their red scare back Lordquinton Jun 2015 #41

I seem to recall McGovern and Mondale losing in the 70s and 80s. brooklynite Jun 2015 #54

And? Lordquinton Jun 2015 #59

The "Red Scare" had nothing to do with it... brooklynite Jun 2015 #61

The Red Scare is what is being conjured Lordquinton Jun 2015 #218

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #155

Yes, simply labelling it a "scare tactic" and dismissing it treestar Jun 2015 #247

It would depend on who the GOP candidate is. It's that simple. mwooldri Jun 2015 #44

Thank you for your concern. HERVEPA Jun 2015 #46

Oh, Jeebus. Who gave you a crystal ball??? kath Jun 2015 #47

Bernie is more electable than HRC. rbnyc Jun 2015 #50

Bernie is unrealistic Sean23 Jun 2015 #60

Bernie is unelectable. redstateblues Jun 2015 #64

The race this time is not to the middle. CanadaexPat Jun 2015 #134

People are fed up with old style politicians. azmom Jun 2015 #166

"Bernie would not get 20 percent of the vote in the south." Where are you from that you know how he Ghost in the Machine Jun 2015 #58

I live in TN and I can tell you Bernie might pull 30% statewide redstateblues Jun 2015 #62

"The Democratic party outside of Nashville is virtually non existent." Tell that to Knoxville.. Ghost in the Machine Jun 2015 #66

The nominee will be attacked for being a socialist. Might as well nominate a real one. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #67

Bingo! kenfrequed Jun 2015 #70

Those who do not learn from history McCamy Taylor Jun 2015 #68

cool story. frylock Jun 2015 #71

Maybe. I'm still likely voting for Bernie though. Bradical79 Jun 2015 #76

You do realize the election is 16 months away, right? Warpy Jun 2015 #78

Davishenderson wendylaroux Jun 2015 #79

It's going to be tough for either to win gwheezie Jun 2015 #80

Nominate Hillary and we lose 50. U4ikLefty Jun 2015 #81

THAT is ridiculous. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #102

And phenomenally lazy... brooklynite Jun 2015 #108

Poster should have ended that with, "... in my head". PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #113

Speaking of Wall Street & being phenomenally lazy. U4ikLefty Jun 2015 #239

Whoosh!!! nt U4ikLefty Jun 2015 #240

Outrageous! Absurd! Unthinkable! bluestateguy Jun 2015 #82

I voted for McGovern and will vote for Sanders. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2015 #83

At least I will come home from the polls with my head held high rather than the taste of vomit in my Purveyor Jun 2015 #84

Hair on fire with no links AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #85

So tired of this stuff. And over a year to go. madfloridian Jun 2015 #87

some seem to think MFM008 Jun 2015 #88

BENGHAZI!!! frylock Jun 2015 #221

Whatever would we DO without such sensible voices of reason? Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #89

Hogwash. The GOP only wins in districts that have been mapped to support them. HuckleB Jun 2015 #90

I have some strong doubts about Sanders being a viable general election candidate Gothmog Jun 2015 #91

Huh, can you tell us who will win the 5th at Santa Anita? DiverDave Jun 2015 #92

Insanity, the demographics are different now Motown_Johnny Jun 2015 #93

You are right the nation has changed demographically but not that much, please see Post 135 DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #154

Fuck the Reagancrats RandiFan1290 Jun 2015 #94

Don't worry MoonRiver Jun 2015 #95

I remember similar things being said about Obama. Vinca Jun 2015 #99

Elect Clinton and we get more of the same. It's that simple. nt bemildred Jun 2015 #100

To which Republican candidate that polls higher, exactly? Orsino Jun 2015 #101

Any scenario that actually nominates Bernie quaker bill Jun 2015 #103

Or we could elect another corporatist... sendero Jun 2015 #104

Let's go with that stereotype... brooklynite Jun 2015 #107

You guys/gals JUST DON'T GET IT.... sendero Jun 2015 #112

To which one are you comparing Clinton? PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #114

Neither in particular... sendero Jun 2015 #115

It's hyperbolic and incredibly selfish and short-sighted. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #116

I'll say it again.. sendero Jun 2015 #117

For all of his shortcomings, Obama's SCOTUS picks were spot on. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #119

In which case, you're saying you'll accept either... brooklynite Jun 2015 #122

Some Sanders supporters are the PROUD PUMA's of 2016, I guess. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #125

the fuck?! frylock Jun 2015 #222

Lol, no. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #224

And yet the premise of the OP is there are Hillary voters who won't vote for Bernie Fumesucker Jun 2015 #157

So elect another Corporatist. Right.... Katashi_itto Jun 2015 #105

Thanks loads for your concern. HappyMe Jun 2015 #109

That's ridiculous. There are enough yellow dog Democrats and solidly blue states to give him a PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #111

If we nominate Bernie, that means Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #118

Nominate Clinton and we lose all 50. LWolf Jun 2015 #120

I agree,there is no viable path to the White House sufrommich Jun 2015 #123

The third way folks have a long history of getting it wrong Mnpaul Jun 2015 #124

The cons have been awful quiet about Bernie. It's like they have their fingers crossed B Calm Jun 2015 #126

Could you please re-write your prophecy as a quatrain, Nostrodamus? deutsey Jun 2015 #127

Nice retort. nt ladjf Jun 2015 #140

Nostradamus speaks Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #141

LOL! corkhead Jun 2015 #165

Bravo! deutsey Jun 2015 #217

Chances are the OP is correct... Sancho Jun 2015 #131

Bullshit. 99Forever Jun 2015 #133

These threads aren't helpful... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #135

Well put. Paladin Jun 2015 #136

Bullshit. Americans love socialism. Scuba Jun 2015 #138

A candidate who calls himself a Socialist redstateblues Jun 2015 #168

Well bless your heart. It's good you feel so positive about things. Autumn Jun 2015 #159

I miss unrec. City Lights Jun 2015 #160

THE SKY IS FALLING !!!!!!!! H2O Man Jun 2015 #161

Then we get the government we deserve corkhead Jun 2015 #162

I think it is more probable that Bernie will be the Jimmy Carter example rather than McGovern... kentuck Jun 2015 #167

Your concern is noted. truebrit71 Jun 2015 #173

It's a long, long road to any nomination for Senator Sanders. MineralMan Jun 2015 #181

Bernie Sanders ain't no "crying" Muskie or "Eagleton--1000%--Shriver" McGovern. WinkyDink Jun 2015 #184

He's not in it to enhance Hillary's campaign. He's in it to win it. You don't have to vote for him. GoneFishin Jun 2015 #186

Hillary Clinton is not viable in the general election. backscatter712 Jun 2015 #187

Spot on. Atman Jun 2015 #191

Bernie wins 50... ileus Jun 2015 #193

"I would like to see some other people get into the Democratic race." KamaAina Jun 2015 #195

So Clinton's voters won't vote for Sanders if he wins the primary? jeff47 Jun 2015 #196

Clinton can win with Sanders' supporters but... kentuck Jun 2015 #198

Well, if Clinton can win and Sanders can't jeff47 Jun 2015 #199

Exactly! kentuck Jun 2015 #200

Sanders cannot win with just Clinton supporters treestar Jun 2015 #246

This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler Jun 2015 #197

Not 49, but I think he'd struggle to win California taught_me_patience Jun 2015 #203

That's just stupid. Of course he'd win CA. LeftyMom Jun 2015 #237

Head to head polling has Bernie even with the GOP candidates in CA and losing stevenleser Jun 2015 #252

So, we're Hillary Hostages, then? By "we" I mean you. dogknob Jun 2015 #204

Bernie's message appeals to every American Grilled Charlie Jun 2015 #205

You are simply wrong, but that is okay I forgive you for it. Rex Jun 2015 #206

So, this is warning to those thinking of supporting Bettie Jun 2015 #207

Hoo boy. Arkana Jun 2015 #212

The gop will rip any and all D candidates to shreds. That's what they do. Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #213

Fine. AngryOldDem Jun 2015 #216

Scared of him, huh? TBF Jun 2015 #219

Bernie has a far better chance than Hillary of appealing to independents and Republicans eridani Jun 2015 #223

There's probably hundreds of Republicans redstateblues Jun 2015 #227

There are millions of Tea Party types who are furious with banksters eridani Jun 2015 #228

Totally great point FloridaBlues Jun 2015 #226

who's playing the part of incumbent president Nixon? rurallib Jun 2015 #233

OMG WE'RE DOOMED! L0oniX Jun 2015 #234

Bullshit Marrah_G Jun 2015 #236

HRC gets no votes Bernie couldn't get. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #238

I think you are right treestar Jun 2015 #243

Mondale and McGovern didn't have social media on their side. Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #253

The nation is now in favor of gay marriage, legal pot, single payer health care, Enthusiast Jun 2015 #265

And WE can develop it further. Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #272

This person was tomsbtoned for being a homophobic troll. Renew Deal Jun 2015 #266

They should have gotten him for being a sockpuppet first. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #269

he wrote "homosexuals repulse me" nt m-lekktor Jun 2015 #274

Why hasn't this been moved to GD Primaries? DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #276

Just when I thought it was safe to go back in the water... antiquie Jun 2015 #278