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Buns_of_Fire

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104. I know it's not finalized. There's been to reason to, with the possibility

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 04:29 AM

Jun 2015

that TPA might not pass, which would effectively kill the whole thing. But it won't take long to put the final few layers of polish on and buff it to a fine luster.

Republican senator Jeff Sessions, from Alabama, wrote an open letter on Monday to senators in his party calling on them to vote against the bill and pointed to remarks made by Mr Robb <the Australian Trade Minister> last week in an interview with Australian broadcaster ABC.

Mr Robb said, "We are literally one week of negotiation away from completing this extraordinary deal across 12 countries and 40 per cent of the world's GDP."

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"The Australian trade minister has unintentionally debunked the idea that TPP is somehow only in the planning stages," Senator Sessions wrote.

"Some members of congress conditioned their votes on assurances that the (Obama) administration would form the agreement based on the vague, non-binding 'negotiating objectives' in fast-track.

https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/aust-minister-robb-may-scuttled-025106161.html

I don't know where Sessions got the idea it was only in the planning stages, since they've been working on it for ten years or so.

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So, TPP Fast Track has passed. RIP American Middle Class [View all] hifiguy Jun 2015 OP

Also RIP a government of the people, by the people, for the people. Elwood P Dowd Jun 2015 #1

That's a separate obituary. hifiguy Jun 2015 #2

Hyperbole much? SCantiGOP Jun 2015 #23

No,not at all. This is another nail in the coffin.... Human101948 Jun 2015 #29

Not only that, buy local laws will be gone, hifiguy Jun 2015 #36

Well said, great OP! haikugal Jun 2015 #85

Well said! nt Mojorabbit Jun 2015 #89

Perfect explanation MrMickeysMom Jun 2015 #91

+1 nt Live and Learn Jun 2015 #103

VERY WELL SAID! Rockyj Jun 2015 #128

Well said. Owl Jun 2015 #154

Thank you all, but hifiguy Jun 2015 #155

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jun 2015 #3

The old Army acronym BOHICA hifiguy Jun 2015 #92

It will soon be FUBAR Chisox08 Jun 2015 #109

BGIIGH (pronounced Ba-GEE) hifiguy Jun 2015 #129

Translate please? nt LiberalElite Jun 2015 #159

Right here: hifiguy Jun 2015 #160

Heh. Thanks! nt LiberalElite Jun 2015 #161

Didn't I see somewhere that the text of TPP would remain secret 99th_Monkey Jun 2015 #4

Eeyup, you did. The most "sensitive" parts hifiguy Jun 2015 #5

Where did you read this? Raine1967 Jun 2015 #56

Right here hifiguy Jun 2015 #57

Thank you. Raine1967 Jun 2015 #74

No prob! Always glad to pass along good links. hifiguy Jun 2015 #75

I am perusing this article. Raine1967 Jun 2015 #76

Let me do some more digging. I saw in from a very reputable source hifiguy Jun 2015 #80

I really want you to know, I am against the TPP. But: I am trying to figure this out. Raine1967 Jun 2015 #93

I think it's in the fast track bill. But not sure. nm rhett o rick Jun 2015 #158

Ducking in to correct the inaccuracy ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #133

The negotiating drafts? Raine1967 Jun 2015 #134

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #135

Raine, my understanding is that the TPA passed by the Senate requires the final agreement to be made Hoyt Jun 2015 #138

I have no doubt you saw that Recursion Jun 2015 #156

That is an important distinction, final deal passed v. negotiations & draft texts. 99th_Monkey Jun 2015 #162

Yep... WillyT Jun 2015 #6

I wouldn't put the birth of the middle class as 1920. republicans created huge inequality pampango Jun 2015 #7

I agree somewhat, but the Twenties saw a lot of people move up in society. hifiguy Jun 2015 #8

Much wealth was created in the 1920's but, just like today, most went to the 1%. pampango Jun 2015 #10

It was a productivity explosion far more than any government policies. hifiguy Jun 2015 #12

Salute! Octafish Jun 2015 #9

Thank you, Octafish. hifiguy Jun 2015 #13

+1. Sad day. nt navarth Jun 2015 #55

Time to sharpen the guillotines. n/t PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #11

Fuck that...........dull blades will be just fine. n/t Enthusiast Jun 2015 #27

.. PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #34

+1 Alittleliberal Jun 2015 #42

Yep. 99Forever Jun 2015 #82

yes a butter knife will do just fine! TheNutcracker Jun 2015 #83

After we squish their nuts with the pliers. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #105

Oh, I like the way you think! Le Taz Hot Jun 2015 #107

Just one week of a well planned nationwide general strike and boycott, Zorra Jun 2015 #122

I would be on board for this. n/t PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #123

Why pull them off the ledges? hifiguy Jun 2015 #127

The American Middle Class (1938 FDR New Deal - 1994 NAFTA) Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #14

Yeah, it wasn't bad. hifiguy Jun 2015 #17

So you have .. sendero Jun 2015 #111

Well they were all a bunch of freeloaders anyway zeemike Jun 2015 #15

WTF? ibewlu606 Jun 2015 #16

Good. I won't vote for her either. Time 840high Jun 2015 #18

Same with one of mine, Feinstein dreamnightwind Jun 2015 #20

Save your vitriol lark Jun 2015 #48

Well since the last vote may not happen until after the 2016 election... Cryptoad Jun 2015 #19

Fucking sick of you characterizing concerns as whining. God damned sick of it. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #31

Not any sicker than I am of people whining..... Cryptoad Jun 2015 #78

Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #106

you just can't stay away from the persoanl attacks..... lol. Cryptoad Jun 2015 #108

So "Whiner" is not a personal attack. bahrbearian Jun 2015 #113

I Never called you a whiner. geez Cryptoad Jun 2015 #119

I never said you did geez ... bahrbearian Jun 2015 #146

I never said you said I said ,,,,,,, is this a pissing contest? Cryptoad Jun 2015 #147

The middle class was created by labor unions AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #21

Yep. From FDR until Carter - sorry, it's true - all Democratic presidents hifiguy Jun 2015 #25

+1! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #32

This TPP is even more egregious than the Iraq War Vote. nt. LaydeeBug Jun 2015 #22

Not moreso, but equally, IMO. hifiguy Jun 2015 #26

It is right up there. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #33

LOL tridim Jun 2015 #136

? .. What is the message here? Trajan Jun 2015 #152

Oh, you're just a *scream*. LaydeeBug Jun 2015 #164

() Jack Rabbit Jun 2015 #24

I will never forgive Obama for this. avebury Jun 2015 #28

^^^That^^^ onecaliberal Jun 2015 #47

Gone, but not forgotten ... seveneyes Jun 2015 #30

Dont you DARE put this all on TPP and Obama, how about Reagan? randys1 Jun 2015 #35

Reagan is the first co-murderer I mention in the OP hifiguy Jun 2015 #37

Buy-partisanship. It's beautiful, for the CEO Party, Investor Class and Transnational Corporations. appalachiablue Jun 2015 #114

Bi-partisan? HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #130

But Obama praised Reagan whathehell Jun 2015 #40

Lets be perfectly clear on this issue...................... turbinetree Jun 2015 #51

To this issue, yes. But Reagan killed the middle class with his tax policies and anti union randys1 Jun 2015 #52

Is Obama a Republican? Is that a rhetorial joke? Help me out here why Obama pushed for this TPP. WinkyDink Jun 2015 #61

I agree with with your opinion turbinetree Jun 2015 #94

FDR started fast track Recursion Jun 2015 #71

I don't think so turbinetree Jun 2015 #95

Yeah, that blogger needs to research some more Recursion Jun 2015 #96

Well, now, Ronnie ain't in the WH now, IS he? WinkyDink Jun 2015 #59

Who is Prez now???? 840high Jun 2015 #63

Coda: Buns_of_Fire Jun 2015 #38

Why aren't we doing this? Cleita Jun 2015 #39

Shit, why aren't we doing hifiguy Jun 2015 #44

We only do this when it's too late lofty1 Jun 2015 #125

So Repugs can screw people and don't get mentioned? lark Jun 2015 #41

Repugs would not have had the votes to pass without the DINOS. Cleita Jun 2015 #43

... hifiguy Jun 2015 #46

True lark Jun 2015 #50

We have no influence over Republicans. Maedhros Jun 2015 #53

WE EXPECT REPUKES TO FUCK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE Skittles Jun 2015 #99

Yeah, his treachery on this has been heartbreaking. lark Jun 2015 #121

+1000 BeanMusical Jun 2015 #131

It's worth mentioning that 6 of the 13 had previously voted for both NAFTA and CAFTA, and that Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #115

Feinstein always goes with big money, lark Jun 2015 #120

Yes I know, she was my Senator for many years. Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #124

And P.O. has his golden parachute. Phlem Jun 2015 #45

He has nothing but an endless Yellow Brick Road ahead of him hifiguy Jun 2015 #49

Was it 13 Dem's? We need a most wanted poster with Phlem Jun 2015 #54

Money buys phony "campaigns" that mean NOTHING for elections that mean NOTHING. Politics is now seen WinkyDink Jun 2015 #58

When are the global corporations and Wall Street going to start officially paying raindaddy Jun 2015 #60

They do. It's just after they leave government that the payment begins. hifiguy Jun 2015 #64

See the Clintons... raindaddy Jun 2015 #69

The only thing that could be more obvious than the post-presidency payoff to the Clintons hifiguy Jun 2015 #70

People are demonstrating how politically ignorant they are MohRokTah Jun 2015 #62

Once Fast Track is approved hifiguy Jun 2015 #66

No, it isn't over. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #72

First, its not a treaty. Calling it an agreement is how they bypass the two thirds requirement. Elwood P Dowd Jun 2015 #79

That is blindingly obvious to anyone paying attention. hifiguy Jun 2015 #81

The general feeling is that once TPA is passed, TPP is a shoo-in. Buns_of_Fire Jun 2015 #68

Two votes, one in the House and one in the Senate. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #73

At least we should get to see it in all its hideous glory, now. Buns_of_Fire Jun 2015 #87

IT'S NOT FINALIZED YET! MohRokTah Jun 2015 #88

what? Egnever Jun 2015 #97

I know it's not finalized. There's been to reason to, with the possibility Buns_of_Fire Jun 2015 #104

I can't remember who it was that kept saying in his last term we would see the real Autumn Jun 2015 #65

The cat was out of the bag when Geithner and HRC were his hifiguy Jun 2015 #67

anyone who paid attention could see that coming Skittles Jun 2015 #100

Really too sad to post a coherent thought senseandsensibility Jun 2015 #77

EVERYTHING IS A TRICK FOR THE RICH. 1handclapn Jun 2015 #84

The USA has one of two pathways in the next 20-30 years. roamer65 Jun 2015 #86

I think the oligarchic fascism hifiguy Jun 2015 #90

Let them eat jellybeans. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #98

Oh, my. NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #101

I don't know about you.... StandingInLeftField Jun 2015 #126

Zero predictions by the DU hair-on-fire brigade have ever come true. tridim Jun 2015 #137

Curious ... Trajan Jun 2015 #153

The Sensible Centrist Woodchucks have been telling us for 35 years hifiguy Jun 2015 #143

Go peddle it elsewhere. NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #148

Facts are stubborn things. nt hifiguy Jun 2015 #149

Yes, they are. NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #150

The most dangerous hyperbole is coming from the Wall Street crowd pushing TPP. Elwood P Dowd Jun 2015 #157

RIP in Peace, America. Drunken Irishman Jun 2015 #102

Really great post, but the title is wrong. It isn't too late to correct it. RiverLover Jun 2015 #110

Well, I dunno. malthaussen Jun 2015 #112

Honestly they took us out around 1980 - TBF Jun 2015 #116

Oh FFS treestar Jun 2015 #117

Oh FFS. BeanMusical Jun 2015 #132

. stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #118

Agreed except for one part... blackspade Jun 2015 #139

I had a hard time deciding just when the birth date was. hifiguy Jun 2015 #140

The explosion of consumerism is a product of the Victorian Era blackspade Jun 2015 #141

Shot me a PM with titles hifiguy Jun 2015 #144

Will do when I get home from work. blackspade Jun 2015 #145

... Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #142

Now is time to work our arses off to get Bernie Sanders elected! And get progressives in Congress! peacebird Jun 2015 #151

'House of Cards' TV show seems unrealistically idealistic tonight HFRN Jun 2015 #163