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arcane1

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37. "I will not stand by as peril draws closer and closer."

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 04:49 PM

Jun 2015

Sounds familiar. Someone once lied by saying we must do something that sucks, because doing nothing would be worse.

http://edition.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/01/29/bush.speech.txt/

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Is It Wrong For Me To Believe That Obama Is Playing 3D Chess With This TPP?..... [View all] global1 Jun 2015 OP

He's not playing chess. onecaliberal Jun 2015 #1

Obama doesn't work for us. Maedhros Jun 2015 #2

You left out "what he's told by Wall Street". Elwood P Dowd Jun 2015 #6

Bill Clinton & NAFTA. Same scenario..../nt think Jun 2015 #3

Without the titialiting diversions with the intern, of course. truedelphi Jun 2015 #59

You said it for me! n/t haikugal Jun 2015 #61

Although if you had typed it, maybe you'd have truedelphi Jun 2015 #69

It's right....LOL haikugal Jun 2015 #70

He could be securing his retirement. immoderate Jun 2015 #4

Oh, no doubt. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2015 #71

Be interesting to see how much the Obama's are worth in ten years. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #91

I vote for "wishful thinking" as the answer. guillaumeb Jun 2015 #5

Putting It That Way - I Want My Campaign Contribution Money Back From Him......nt global1 Jun 2015 #9

I did put it that way. guillaumeb Jun 2015 #12

Yep, once he had the nomination, remember the other choice was Hillary salib Jun 2015 #85

Thank you. And I'm supposed to be happy with HRC, who will do much the same. nt ladyVet Jun 2015 #72

I would not say that one is supposed to be happy with HRC, guillaumeb Jun 2015 #111

LOL leftstreet Jun 2015 #7

I don't know about the chess game thing. SaranchaIsWaiting Jun 2015 #8

I'm with you - cilla4progress Jun 2015 #15

At this point, that 'three dimensional chess' line is outright delusional. Marr Jun 2015 #10

I wonder the same thing Andy823 Jun 2015 #11

I don't think he is evil Kelvin Mace Jun 2015 #19

Sorry I don't buy that. nt Andy823 Jun 2015 #35

".. he will never want for anything financially and will not have to suffer consequences .." GoneFishin Jun 2015 #130

Yes, I feel the exact same. n/t Control-Z Jun 2015 #21

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #13

Sorry, but you are wrong Kelvin Mace Jun 2015 #14

I disagree. cilla4progress Jun 2015 #16

And what vacuum would be filled by China? Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #116

My understanding is cilla4progress Jun 2015 #119

And yet, Obama has said that China is being considered for TPP membership Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #122

China is just this week's boogeyman. This sets privileges for corporations, the countries djean111 Jun 2015 #128

Reaming is right Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #135

Funny, I don't see China in there. Maybe the Chinese were going to swoop in and fire everyone, djean111 Jun 2015 #136

Here's another potential "benefit" of TPP in Japan Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #137

Yep. Those poor Vietnamese farmers are gonna see health care costs go up, too. djean111 Jun 2015 #138

there only thing i can think of... lame54 Jun 2015 #17

It is very simple Kelvin Mace Jun 2015 #23

not buying that... lame54 Jun 2015 #25

Same, no sale. Obama is not like a Clinton when it comes to greed and money. SaranchaIsWaiting Jun 2015 #29

Yes-- he believes things like NAFTA and the TPP are great. Marr Jun 2015 #31

if this is purely for his own financial gain - then yes... lame54 Jun 2015 #33

That's my point. I don't think he's doing it for his personal financial gain. Marr Jun 2015 #36

Exactly dreamnightwind Jun 2015 #40

Yep. Marr Jun 2015 #43

I'm not generally an Occam's Razor type dreamnightwind Jun 2015 #50

If a person shoots you in the head Kelvin Mace Jun 2015 #94

Sure, but my comments were in the context of... dreamnightwind Jun 2015 #100

My apologies Kelvin Mace Jun 2015 #108

No problem, my apologies if I took you wrong, and yes we do agree - n/t dreamnightwind Jun 2015 #109

that's really it in a nutshell Locrian Jun 2015 #106

So, that would make him an absolute fool Kelvin Mace Jun 2015 #93

He started betraying us almost as soon as he hit Washington Kelvin Mace Jun 2015 #92

I certainly agree with that dreamnightwind Jun 2015 #107

the carrot is usually backed up with a stick magical thyme Jun 2015 #97

He plays 3D chess all time, problem is he's a shitty chess player. bowens43 Jun 2015 #18

No, it is not wrong for you to believe that. SamKnause Jun 2015 #20

Those are exactly my concerns with this deal. HappyMe Jun 2015 #27

I really really want to believe it too. Avalux Jun 2015 #22

It's mostly in line with the initial profile I had heard about him Bradical79 Jun 2015 #24

I think Obama is doing what he thinks is right, Agnosticsherbet Jun 2015 #26

Well we know who the pawns are.... truebrit71 Jun 2015 #28

"Yes." It is wishful thinking. truebluegreen Jun 2015 #30

How moral are signature strikes, or double taps? [n/t] Maedhros Jun 2015 #52

Fine. He's not moral. truebluegreen Jun 2015 #82

We shouldn't be minimizing the misery we heap on third world citizens.[n/t] Maedhros Jun 2015 #86

You are absolutely correct. truebluegreen Jun 2015 #90

I think the correct metaphor is "11th dimensional chess" aikoaiko Jun 2015 #32

I think he knows we are in trouble long-term if we do nothing. Hoyt Jun 2015 #34

"I will not stand by as peril draws closer and closer." arcane1 Jun 2015 #37

So, we shouldn't do anything about climate change, etc., because george Hoyt Jun 2015 #38

Not even a nice try. Climate change is a real, actual threat. arcane1 Jun 2015 #42

Trying to maintain an economy here that keeps people from complaining is real. Hoyt Jun 2015 #44

Strawman. We are already trading with Asian countries, without the TPP. arcane1 Jun 2015 #47

Perhaps you are believing the junk about how bad TPP and TTIP are Hoyt Jun 2015 #51

People in Europe are angry about the TTIP. The governments could care less. This is not about djean111 Jun 2015 #129

+1 appalachiablue Jun 2015 #131

Yes, some protesters in Europe are against it. Their governments aren't -- Hoyt Jun 2015 #139

We already have free trade agreements with 80% of the GDP covered by the TPP. jeff47 Jun 2015 #63

So will Obama sign the bill that PROHIBITS trade negotiators from addressing climate change? Jim Lane Jun 2015 #112

Do you have a specific citation. Besides, it is a trade agreement, not an environmental agreement Hoyt Jun 2015 #113

Thanks for providing me with today’s laugh. Jim Lane Jun 2015 #114

You better check your sources, looks like climate change prohibition may not have been part of Hoyt Jun 2015 #115

And isn't it funny how those encroaching perils always Marr Jun 2015 #39

There comes a point when the fearmongering no longer works. arcane1 Jun 2015 #46

The GOP fervently hope that we have not reached the "point when the fearmongering no longer works". pampango Jun 2015 #101

TPP solves zero long term issues. joshcryer Jun 2015 #103

I agree completely with the automation issue, and need to address. Hoyt Jun 2015 #104

If anyone thinks he isn't, you haven't been paying attention for the last seven years. tridim Jun 2015 #41

Are you suggesting Obama doesn't actually want to pass the TPP? /nt Marr Jun 2015 #45

I agree. I'm hoping a lot of Democrats will be eating crow when this is over. Frustratedlady Jun 2015 #133

I guess it's called Career Advancement Chess. ananda Jun 2015 #48

Of course it is wrong for you to believe that tavernier Jun 2015 #49

Well, some of us care about the poor and working classes Maedhros Jun 2015 #53

Hey, don't shoot the messenger! tavernier Jun 2015 #60

Hey, don't forget "piece of shit used car salesman"! Solomon Jun 2015 #64

I have to agree that there is more to this than meets the eye (nt) Dream Girl Jun 2015 #54

Naive of me......when will we find out that this deal really stinks....how long before we can a kennedy Jun 2015 #55

I've heard this for seven years.. sendero Jun 2015 #56

Yes. frylock Jun 2015 #57

He's been pretty straightforward: he thinks this will be good for the economy Recursion Jun 2015 #58

There's a school of thought that when the economy does well, people will do well. winter is coming Jun 2015 #62

yes glinda Jun 2015 #65

Not wrong. He has stated his reasons more than once. He has not betrayed us. There will be.... Hekate Jun 2015 #66

up or down vote with a r senate and r house questionseverything Jun 2015 #83

And whose fault is it that he has to work with a Repub majority? Voters who stayed home... Hekate Jun 2015 #84

It's amazing how far you'll stretch to blame the public, and to excuse Obama. /nt Marr Jun 2015 #98

Democratic voters stayed home in the midterms. That's the truth, not a stretch. nt Hekate Jun 2015 #99

What? MFrohike Jun 2015 #117

And mark my words.... CANDO Jun 2015 #67

I believe firmly that he has an ace up his sleeve. I trust the man. n/t lamp_shade Jun 2015 #68

I think we need to find a new leader of the Democratic party in the interim. Baitball Blogger Jun 2015 #73

Yes, it is wrong. n/t PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #74

He's a communitarian, not a populist. haele Jun 2015 #75

It's not wrong and it's not wrong for you to believe in unicorns, but neither is reality based. eom Cleita Jun 2015 #76

Obama's legacy is his trail of success. He's a winner. Renew Deal Jun 2015 #77

Nope, I think you are absolutely correct global1. EV_Ares Jun 2015 #78

Yes, you are wrong. 99Forever Jun 2015 #79

Hmmm...looking at the replies in this thread, I think you might be on to something. Rex Jun 2015 #80

In all honesty, I can't make heads or tails out of the TPP issue. It is massively complex Number23 Jun 2015 #81

It is just that only 5 or 6 chapters have anything to do with trade. The rest sets up global djean111 Jun 2015 #132

McConnell and Boehner are fighting for this tooth and nail Ruby the Liberal Jun 2015 #87

A few thoughts wilsonbooks Jun 2015 #88

no more wrong than my believing Spock has beamed himself HFRN Jun 2015 #89

I think Hope and Change ... GeorgeGist Jun 2015 #95

I hope you are right and at the very least... lostnfound Jun 2015 #96

With Pelosi signing on, yes. joshcryer Jun 2015 #102

I'm afraid this issue has made me very cynical about the POTUS. Vinca Jun 2015 #105

I think he is playing 3D chess with US. We are willing pawns. Or some of us are. djean111 Jun 2015 #110

I think you are indeed wrong. Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #118

Oh he's playing alright Autumn Jun 2015 #120

There is some aspect to this with regards to getting SOME Gloria Jun 2015 #121

The "counter China" argument is bogus Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #126

I think there are two possibilities gollygee Jun 2015 #123

I think you're right with #2 DFW Jun 2015 #124

Yes DiverDave Jun 2015 #125

I've been waiting for that card to appear for 7 yrs, the same people WE bailed out, now dictate our orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #127

lol BlindTiresias Jun 2015 #134