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truedelphi

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54. It's one Big Money Party -

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 05:09 PM

Jun 2015

The only thing separating the Centrist Dems from the Republicans are social issues like abortion and tolerance for LGBT marriage rights. Other than that, they both support the same policies so they win the same type of favors from the MIC And Big Surveillance Corporations.

Recently, Bill Clinton got some $ 670,000 for giving a single speech in front of a Goldman Sachs podium. Days later, a Beechcraft Aircraft Company bid for war materials went through the State Department and was approved.

It is all quid pro quo.

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If the TPP being rammed through puts the lie to anything [View all] Bonobo Jun 2015 OP

Congress agreed with him on TPA. joshcryer Jun 2015 #1

We need a TAA only because the TPP is going to take even MORE jobs away from Americans. RiverLover Jun 2015 #5

It's not the screwers that have any guilt.. Volaris Jun 2015 #19

Well, waking up won't get us out of the political ladjf Jun 2015 #28

More like the corporate owners off congress agreed with him on TPA... cascadiance Jun 2015 #26

Proves Obama Is A Liar billhicks76 Jun 2015 #83

What was the alternative to TPP? tia Looks like agree on something or start a currency war that... uponit7771 Jun 2015 #2

Remove "permanent normal trade relations" with China. joshcryer Jun 2015 #3

How does TPP ween us off of China's cheap slave labor by diverting production to other slave jwirr Jun 2015 #36

You answer your own question... joshcryer Jun 2015 #62

Okay - got cha. However I for one do not want these slave labor goods. And would do without them jwirr Jun 2015 #68

TPP doesn't do anything to prevent a currency war. jeff47 Jun 2015 #39

It also suggests that what gets past the resistance is often worse. HereSince1628 Jun 2015 #4

Obama won't sign without TAA. joshcryer Jun 2015 #6

Sounds ok, but I'm not convinced 'what was-will be". HereSince1628 Jun 2015 #7

Yeah but we wouldn't need TAA if we didn't have these 'free trade' agreements PatrickforO Jun 2015 #8

Um... You Sure About That ??? WillyT Jun 2015 #18

If he signs without TAA then it never passes. joshcryer Jun 2015 #61

I Guess We Shall See... Tanking TAA Was Supposed To Kill TPP... It Did Not... WillyT Jun 2015 #67

TAA has utterly failed after every previous "trade" agreement. jeff47 Jun 2015 #41

We don't disagree. joshcryer Jun 2015 #63

I disagree. hedda_foil Jun 2015 #76

I should say, he might sign without TAA... joshcryer Jun 2015 #78

Another demander of perfection making an enemy of the good, it is an epidemic. Yawners. Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #9

This is "the good" ? marmar Jun 2015 #12

You fail to comprehend a commonly understood saying? Emoticons do not help with understanding anything. Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #14

Oh, I understand it. It's just not applicable in this case. marmar Jun 2015 #20

Do you know that only the U.S. has Fast Track? olegramps Jun 2015 #31

Do you know when fast track general authority request to Congress was given to Presidents was made law, and why!? History is informative. Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #32

Then you'd be able to provide a link to that history. jeff47 Jun 2015 #42

Yes, it might surprise you that most on this board know this. olegramps Jun 2015 #43

The Vietnamese worker is paid in something not dollars and buys with something not dollars in an Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #44

You should aquaint yourself with the facts concerning foreign workers. olegramps Jun 2015 #46

Call me compassionate if you want but I believe the Vietnamese worker will benefit from the Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #47

Right now, the majority of US exports are weapons. So that's a good thing? Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #49

What? Not true, though American weapons sales are a huge problem, not to Vietnam though, and...what? Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #50

Tell me what is different about this trade agreement and NAFTA for example. olegramps Jun 2015 #59

Since the TPA has passed I will look at the TPP with you and everyone else and we can then more intelligently comment? Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #60

That I can believe from news of effective demonstrations in Munich and other parts of Europe. appalachiablue Jun 2015 #88

But Congress DIDN'T oppose him....the republican held congress LOVES this bill... truebrit71 Jun 2015 #10

Congress didn't oppose him on this. Renew Deal Jun 2015 #11

Actually, as I recall he campaigned on a "public option", NorthCarolina Jun 2015 #13

Precisely. This is what a person looks like when they make a sincere effort rather than play acting GoneFishin Jun 2015 #15

A buy-partisan effort, for multinational corporations not US citizens who elect our representatives. appalachiablue Jun 2015 #16

The guy fucks him and he responds by kissing his ass. olegramps Jun 2015 #34

FDR's a difficult comparison for any politician, but agree this is one of the most unequipped, appalachiablue Jun 2015 #40

Good one, appalachiablue, Fascist Track! Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #64

It's what it is unfortunately! appalachiablue Jun 2015 #69

With added caption ... nikto Jun 2015 #77

They might even become gold buddies. Politics is a strange business, anything can happen! appalachiablue Jun 2015 #79

lol nikto Jun 2015 #81

Congress was opposed to the TPP? WinkyDink Jun 2015 #17

My thoughts too n/t deutsey Jun 2015 #21

Except he was pushing for something the GOP wanted CanonRay Jun 2015 #22

It's one Big Money Party - truedelphi Jun 2015 #54

Jami & the bankers demanded the TPP, and Obama & the ass-lickers will carry it out! dmosh42 Jun 2015 #23

I think many of us who attend Obama speeches from this time forward should turn our backs on him! cascadiance Jun 2015 #29

This is like going back to 1910, with the bluebloods calling the shots. dmosh42 Jun 2015 #33

Precisely, dmosh42, pre fucking cisely. hedda_foil Jun 2015 #80

Republicans, US Chamber of Commerce and corporate Democrats neverforget Jun 2015 #24

Fact checking - Obama promised single payer? yallerdawg Jun 2015 #25

Bingo. Myrina Jun 2015 #27

It Is Clear That Obama Sold The 99% Out cantbeserious Jun 2015 #30

Obama has shown, through his actions, Thespian2 Jun 2015 #35

Yes, that was a lie. Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #37

OTOH It is refreshing to actually see him fighting for something. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #38

It indeed must be refreshing for some folks to have lost all memory of the last 6 years. Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #48

Yep, for them it is all peaches and cream. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #71

Like losing a child in a war?....S T R E T C H. That is not analogy, that is literary butchery. Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #72

Amem to that. Lord help me to only ever be guilty of butchering words. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #74

Bernie Sanders: Single Payer Never Had A Chance Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #45

Remind me never to let you sell a used car for me eridani Jun 2015 #65

Well THAT is ridiculous randys1 Jun 2015 #51

On DU the transparent ridiculousness over a trade treaty dominated by opening of trade with huge/rich Japan has become the sublime. Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #52

The comparison the OP makes is not just ridiculous, but should NEVER be seen on an alleged randys1 Jun 2015 #53

I am of two minds. On the one hand, as you say. But on the other it is a chance to change minds with Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #56

This is a really nonsensical OP. Not only did Congress approve of the TPP but so have majorities Number23 Jun 2015 #70

Yep, and there is always money for war and bailing out azmom Jun 2015 #55

What war has Obama been involved in, versus prevented, as I did not fall asleep these last 6 years? Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #58

For starters.. Lybia KelleyKramer Jun 2015 #75

If you are going to make such huge stretches, at least spell the countries names right. Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #86

Actually, Obama was Republican on this. ananda Jun 2015 #57

That little line has always been BS and plenty of us said so all along. Autumn Jun 2015 #66

How many of these Dems who voted for it, get summoned to the White House before the vote? YOHABLO Jun 2015 #73

Or The Employee Free Choice Act Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #82

I'm not happy about it and think the whole thing is BS davidpdx Jun 2015 #84

There's no comparison at all. zentrum Jun 2015 #85

Obama is being greased by the same slimeballs who are greasing the GOP d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #87