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hifiguy

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38. True.

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 04:27 PM

Jun 2015

In 1972 McGovern was running against a completely unscrupulous incumbent who did everything he could to manipulate the news in his favor, including announcing just before the election exactly the same Vietnam peace deal LBJ could have had in 1968 if Nixon had not monkeywrenched it so he could drag the war on four more years only to "end it" just in time for the 1972 election.

There was a dirty tricks operation against all Democratic candidates. Remember Watergate?

There will be no incumbent in 2016. The Repukes will be dangerous because of the deep pockets behind them, but so far not one of the Klowns looks anything like ready for the national stage, even Jebbie, who is proving to be even dumber than the Chimp, which I had not thought possible.

Obama looked like an outlier at this stage eight years ago. The smart money was on HRC then, too. How'd that turn out again?

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Same old crap starting again... [View all] kentuck Jun 2015 OP

Don't know if you noticed this thread in the Populist Group. merrily Jun 2015 #1

Thanks! I had not read it... kentuck Jun 2015 #2

You're welcome. merrily Jun 2015 #4

Had missed it, just recced it. Great post. madfloridian Jun 2015 #6

There are also a couple of threads I started about Mondale, supposedly the other ""proof" merrily Jun 2015 #7

1972 and 1984 1939 Jun 2015 #21

1972 was 1972 demwing Jun 2015 #87

Huh? 1939 Jun 2015 #94

well said virtualobserver Jun 2015 #3

Amazing how 1972 is totally relevant, but 2008 has been completely forgotten and written off. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #5

When personal wealth is involved, conservatives tend to have memory lapses. nt raouldukelives Jun 2015 #20

True. hifiguy Jun 2015 #38

True. And the simple fact of the matter is, we live in a completely different world now. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #43

And isn't it interesting that so many Millennials hifiguy Jun 2015 #51

More amazing to me is 1968 is irrelevant. jeff47 Jun 2015 #42

Okay, but like I said. Would you use the elections of '24 and '28 as a lens to analyze the political Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #44

No, I'm just talking about how they always stop at 1972. jeff47 Jun 2015 #47

Another example no one seems to like, in '04 we nominated the supposedly "smarter, stronger" choice. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #74

No doubt madokie Jun 2015 #8

Bernie calls himself a Democratic Socialist, and that's unfortunate, no matter what most pnwmom Jun 2015 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author aspirant Jun 2015 #10

HRC Is carrying so much baggage aspirant Jun 2015 #11

Hillary Clinton has had no "risqué" lifestyle. She is not her husband, pnwmom Jun 2015 #12

They are married and locked at the hips aspirant Jun 2015 #16

Bill has a 70% approval rating. JaneyVee Jun 2015 #30

Good, aspirant Jun 2015 #33

Risque lifestyle? That sort of verbiage makes LGBT people wary, just so you know. Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #23

+1 Lisa D Jun 2015 #29

She has a battalion of skeletons in her closet. hifiguy Jun 2015 #39

Case in point AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #14

The corporate Dems can't even put the lie to the Republicans dreamnightwind Jun 2015 #15

+1 Scuba Jun 2015 #18

So few can speak with authenticity against those forces today. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #25

What's unfortunate are the decades of repression deutsey Jun 2015 #22

They will have a field day with any nominee. rbnyc Jun 2015 #37

You realize that the people who care won't vote for any Democrat, right? jeff47 Jun 2015 #48

Moderate Dems and independents might not want to vote for a "socialist" pnwmom Jun 2015 #50

Sorry, the red scare is over. jeff47 Jun 2015 #54

No, the poll showed that 50% would NOT vote for a socialist. pnwmom Jun 2015 #58

And those kinds of numbers change when there is an actual candidate. jeff47 Jun 2015 #59

If it's toxic for Clinton as a lie, it would be 10 times as toxic for Sanders, as confirmed truth. pnwmom Jun 2015 #63

Except it is also a lie for Sanders. jeff47 Jun 2015 #65

"Socialist" is the noun, "Democratic" is the adjective modifying the noun. pnwmom Jun 2015 #66

So now they're pedantic about grammar but unable to google what the term means. jeff47 Jun 2015 #68

They couldn't care less about grammar. But they will HEAR the word SOCIALIST pnwmom Jun 2015 #70

If hearing the word SOCIALIST will be enough, they won't be voting for the Democrat. jeff47 Jun 2015 #72

Wrong. Lots of moderate Dems and independents won't vote for a socialist. Period. pnwmom Jun 2015 #73

That is what rightwingers have told me for years on the nets, that America is a randys1 Jun 2015 #76

I'm not saying that America is a center right country. pnwmom Jun 2015 #80

obama campaigned like a socialist questionseverything Jun 2015 #81

The ACA greatly helped people over 55. Yes, the premiums can be 3 times as high -- pnwmom Jun 2015 #83

great commercial questionseverything Jun 2015 #84

I don't see how that would be true since subsidies limit the amount to 8% of income. n/g pnwmom Jun 2015 #86

i resent you saying i am lying questionseverything Jun 2015 #89

Are you talking about a family plan? Because no individual plan has an out of pocket of $12K. pnwmom Jun 2015 #92

yes 12 grand for 2 of us a year was what i have in notes questionseverything Jun 2015 #93

Exactly right. That's why we won't worry about them. "The people to whom "socialist!!!!" is highly rhett o rick Jun 2015 #88

It was a huge mistake redstateblues Jun 2015 #55

We tried capitalism. It didn't work. KansDem Jun 2015 #79

I admire your spirit postatomic Jun 2015 #13

k&r HappyMe Jun 2015 #17

Why do LWolf Jun 2015 #19

Because they like it. jeff47 Jun 2015 #45

I think that's pretty astute, kind of a sunk cost fallacy for social progress Fumesucker Jun 2015 #95

It's very simple: Maedhros Jun 2015 #77

At this time... 99Forever Jun 2015 #24

I'm going to support Sanders regardless of the predicted odds. nt ladjf Jun 2015 #27

Same here, I remember when Obama was a long shot. Kalidurga Jun 2015 #28

Good post. nt ladjf Jun 2015 #26

K&R CharlotteVale Jun 2015 #31

Fuck that noise. The people want Bernie. azmom Jun 2015 #32

Then why does he only poll at 15% of Democrats? MohRokTah Jun 2015 #35

because many of the people haven't heard about him yet... lame54 Jun 2015 #36

And they won't hear about him because his campaign hasn't got the money to get his message out. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #46

the internet age... lame54 Jun 2015 #49

Obama had a brilliant strategy. I don't see that from Bernie so far. redstateblues Jun 2015 #56

give it up - i'm for Bernie lame54 Jun 2015 #57

It won't help. nt stevenleser Jun 2015 #91

His strategy is to tell the truth and hope it's more important than money. arcane1 Jun 2015 #62

Truth telling IS a brilliant strategy! BuelahWitch Jun 2015 #75

Oh Bull Shit! MohRokTah Jun 2015 #78

The adults know best Babel_17 Jun 2015 #34

I am with you 100%, kentuck! hifiguy Jun 2015 #40

Just got out and ain't going back ... seveneyes Jun 2015 #41

K&R! peacebird Jun 2015 #52

Everything that's ever happened will repeat with no change, except Clinton's 2008 loss arcane1 Jun 2015 #53

Bravo! whatchamacallit Jun 2015 #61

Apparently old dogs need new tricks. democrank Jun 2015 #60

One can't "Take issue" either. There is only agreement or "bashing" arcane1 Jun 2015 #64

K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #67

Kick! Great post! Juicy_Bellows Jun 2015 #69

I'm not worried about it, the funny thing is... Rex Jun 2015 #71

Great post Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #82

Abso-fucking-lutely! LiberalElite Jun 2015 #85

I totally agree! ozone_man Jun 2015 #90