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leveymg

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52. Here's my take on that.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 05:30 PM
Jun 2015

My knowledge of post-war Germany and de-Nazification is based upon reading and long conversations with my Father-in-Law who was an agent handler with an alphabet agency who operated under NOC in Germany. With few exceptions, De-Nazification under McCloy and Clay skimmed only the top off the most prominent figures in West Germany. Even Adeneur was more concerned with the threat of Spartakists than the Nazis when he was purged from office in 1933. He was someone whom the Dulles Brothers could work easily with. As for the East and the Stasi, as I read the autobiography of Markus Wolf, the fanatical paranoia of the SED and DKP was not without its origins in a sense that the Soviet sphere offered the only reliable bullwark against Fascism. I think Fassbinder and the new wave of German Cinema later captured the ambivalence and underlying violence of Post-War politics in "Germany in Autumn."

As a Left of Center American growing up during that era in the New York area, I had plenty of contact with Red Diaper babies without being one myself. As someone involved with anti-war and related political organizations, I also has uncomfortable run-ins with the FBI and its infiltration agents. When the CIA tried to recruit me in college, I had to tell the recruiter no thank you, as the methods aren't sufficiently different from the other side. I was perhaps the only person I know who was approached by the FBI and the CIA for recruitment in the same year, and turned them both down. Howard Zinn, with whom I studied, thought that was a remarkable personal statistic.

As for political opportunists in both Parties, I've met too many, and have to again say, they aren't different enough.

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NOLA activists have dealt with the existence of Jefferson Davis Parkway KamaAina Jun 2015 #1
That needs to become official. Stinky The Clown Jun 2015 #3
It probably has a higher dropout rate KamaAina Jun 2015 #2
I agree with you. Aside from the racist implications, America isn't in the habit of celebrating MADem Jun 2015 #4
Your post made me wonder if there was a statue of William Westmoreland... malthaussen Jun 2015 #10
He's been dead a decade, now. I think the horse has left that barn. MADem Jun 2015 #12
The figure on the left in the Three Soldiers... malthaussen Jun 2015 #18
Considering American slavery edhopper Jun 2015 #5
I was about to suggest that comparison. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #13
Lee didn't turn against the Fatherland. Rommel did in the end. leveymg Jun 2015 #20
Lee turned against the Country he swore an oath to defend edhopper Jun 2015 #21
That is true, as well. leveymg Jun 2015 #23
Should we rename Washington D.C.? former9thward Jun 2015 #6
Or simply continue celebrating slave owners for being slave owners? LanternWaste Jun 2015 #11
And I understand your refusal to be consistent. former9thward Jun 2015 #19
Is Washington only honored for being a slave owner. edhopper Jun 2015 #22
Actually Lee had a marvelous record exboyfil Jun 2015 #30
recognition yes edhopper Jun 2015 #32
Try again. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #24
He didn't try to break away from the country in order to preserve the institution of slavery. MADem Jun 2015 #34
Washington is remembered for much more than owning slaves. And he never fought for the pnwmom Jun 2015 #37
Ask Obama to take down the statue of Jefferson Davis in D.C. former9thward Jun 2015 #41
He's had a few other things to do. But you could ask. n/t pnwmom Jun 2015 #42
He plays a lot of golf. former9thward Jun 2015 #44
Well, that's easy. malthaussen Jun 2015 #7
General Lee actually did some atoning after the war. n/t Orsino Jun 2015 #8
Diff is that this country has a fetish for honoring military Panich52 Jun 2015 #9
Lee dodn't commit genocide.. okasha Jun 2015 #14
It's not like he is responsible for more American deaths edhopper Jun 2015 #16
No, it isn't. okasha Jun 2015 #35
point taken edhopper Jun 2015 #47
Get back to me on Lee okasha Jun 2015 #49
I disagree edhopper Jun 2015 #53
No, ed, I'm not okasha Jun 2015 #55
you want it's symbols edhopper Jun 2015 #56
I never said that, either. okasha Jun 2015 #59
But you said that is the issue edhopper Jun 2015 #60
No, I didn't. okasha Jun 2015 #61
Yeah edhopper Jun 2015 #62
Grant, Sherman and Sheridan committed genocide? leveymg Jun 2015 #25
Perhaps? okasha Jun 2015 #27
When I said perhaps, I meant I wasn't sure about Sheridan. On second look, leveymg Jun 2015 #29
Thank you for clarifying. okasha Jun 2015 #36
Like Native Americans don't count or something?? nt B2G Jun 2015 #38
You don't read past the header, do you? leveymg Jun 2015 #46
It's wrong to use the Nazi comparison in this case. mwooldri Jun 2015 #15
Why worry about a Lee High School when there are TexasProgresive Jun 2015 #17
9 Army posts are named after Confederate Generals GP6971 Jun 2015 #39
Thanks, I knew there were more than my list TexasProgresive Jun 2015 #40
Well, at first glance, because of all the genocide. Iggo Jun 2015 #26
Point of order: More comparable to von Rundstedt High MohRokTah Jun 2015 #28
It isn't. It also is the same as Benedict Arnold Academy. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #31
Look at the resurrection of Joe Paterno's NM_Birder Jun 2015 #33
Lee =! Himmler Adrahil Jun 2015 #43
I think you're projecting present-day feelings about states and federal government on winter is coming Jun 2015 #54
Shelby Foote is a Confederate apologist. Adrahil Jun 2015 #64
Calling Foote an apologist is a simplistic overstatement. winter is coming Jun 2015 #65
Here in Germany, my daughters went to a school named after a famous World War II person DFW Jun 2015 #45
Germany had systematic de-Nazification. In America, the South rose again and controls the gov't leveymg Jun 2015 #48
The west did. The east did so in name only DFW Jun 2015 #50
Here's my take on that. leveymg Jun 2015 #52
There's a school named for Robert E. Lee in my city loyalsister Jun 2015 #51
How is "Columbus, Ohio" any different from "Hitler, Poland"? (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #57
Would you support the bulldozing and destruction of confederate Graves? n/t oneshooter Jun 2015 #58
You read my mind! Duppers Jun 2015 #63
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