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Sancho

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230. hmmm....I'm not sure public vetting works here.

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 08:41 PM

Jun 2015

I make a point of not starting threads or "bashing" without a link or reason. The last couple times I replied, even with good evidence, I literally got flamed. One quote was, "I believe you're full of shit." I'll only respond here with things I've already argued where the threads already exist.

I will vote for the Democratic candidate. If Bernie wins that's better than any of the repubs. I think it's obvious that no candidate or President is perfect.

I realize there's lots of excitement about Bernie, and I get the anger at what people perceive is economic inequity. I've already explained on several threads that Bernie's economic plans "throw out the baby with the bath" in some cases - simply not well thought out to me. An example is the plan to tax the retirement of pubic workers and union pension funds with the transaction tax.

I've have been a supporter of a variety of gun controls for a long time. Bernie has voted several times against issues that I felt strongly about, and I noticed that before he ever planned on running for President. I don't think ANY corporation should have immunity from lawsuits, and especially the gun industry. That's another example.

At any rate, you could easily search and see a few of my issues. Those aren't all, but it's enough for me to prefer Hillary or Martin for now.

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Nominate Bernie and we lose 49 states. It's that simple. [View all] davishenderson265 Jun 2015 OP

CNN Poll: "Majority of voters do not trust or like Clinton" Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #1

es it is but it is not viable in the USA. davishenderson265 Jun 2015 #6

Wrong, you are referring back to decades ago. A recent Gallup Poll shows that nearly 50% of sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #235

WSJ/NBC Poll Finds Hillary Clinton in a Strong Position brooklynite Jun 2015 #53

New NBC poll: 92% of likely Democratic voters say they'd be comfortable supporting Clinton. pnwmom Jun 2015 #55

I wrote that this thread isn't helpful but your assertion that Hillary Clinton DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #142

I think I'm going to be sick Matariki Jun 2015 #280

... SidDithers Jun 2015 #163

I don't know which post is more wrong, yours or the OP...amazing randys1 Jun 2015 #201

eys PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #2

yeah, like nominate a black man and lose the presidency for a decade. ok nt msongs Jun 2015 #3

Obama had a much better chance than Bernie ever would.. davishenderson265 Jun 2015 #9

I disagree with the original poster but using Obama as a surrogate for Sanders is facile./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #145

That was *exactly* the argument during the 2008 Primaries Matariki Jun 2015 #281

I don't remember serious analysts or political scientists ... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #282

That comparison is foolish for a host of reasons. Orrex Jun 2015 #185

Sorry you feel that way, I think you are wrong. Nominate Hillary & we lose the election. Truth. peacebird Jun 2015 #4

word. n/t restorefreedom Jun 2015 #30

Amen. CanadaexPat Jun 2015 #129

The OP is stupid but your assertion is belied by the evidence DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #146

+1 hifiguy Jun 2015 #192

But how? Surely you agree that if everyone who wants to vote is allowed to vote, unless there is randys1 Jun 2015 #202

No, after winning the primary he will move towards the center. Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #5

Good point. Hoyt Jun 2015 #42

It would still be a massive improvement over our current system kenfrequed Jun 2015 #69

Maybe on the tax rate, but not on most of his issues. napi21 Jun 2015 #86

ROFLMAO hootinholler Jun 2015 #110

When did Bernie call for a 90% tax rate? Enthusiast Jun 2015 #254

I'll be objective about this... AZ Progressive Jun 2015 #7

Obama was accused of being a socialist. Bernie proudly wears the label of "Democratic Socialist." pnwmom Jun 2015 #57

rw radio is already describing him as a "aging socialist" in a dismissive way DrDan Jun 2015 #106

Was anybody who listens to RW radio going to vote for Hillary? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #128

Just agreeing with the post I responded to DrDan Jun 2015 #164

They only think they have the high ground. CanSocDem Jun 2015 #279

Ok, if you say so n/t arcane1 Jun 2015 #8

Don't worry. (nt) enough Jun 2015 #10

Maybe...maybe not ibegurpard Jun 2015 #11

Lol, Ok, nt Logical Jun 2015 #12

Nearly Half Of Americans Would Vote For A Socialist For President arcane1 Jun 2015 #13

Bernie would lose 49 states. davishenderson265 Jun 2015 #14

No he wouldn't. arcane1 Jun 2015 #16

Bernie is on a very sharp upward trend right now.. Splatterpunk Jun 2015 #17

Won't happen. Not in TN redstateblues Jun 2015 #63

Centrist Gore lost in TN frylock Jun 2015 #72

And Clinton won't win TN either. So it's moot. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2015 #194

Actually it's not moot. Clinton will make it close enough that the GOP nominee stevenleser Jun 2015 #241

Because fantasy world Clinton is competitive in all 50 states! She's gonna take Alabama! (nt) jeff47 Jun 2015 #249

Nope, that is your straw man. nt stevenleser Jun 2015 #250

So she only takes Mississippi? jeff47 Jun 2015 #251

Democrats generally lose in Tennessee anyway. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #255

Last place out of all options given Renew Deal Jun 2015 #177

Nearly half said they would consider it treestar Jun 2015 #244

thanks for your concern grasswire Jun 2015 #15

You ignore large parts of history edhopper Jun 2015 #18

Not falling anymore for warnings of what might happen if we don't do this or that. No more. madfloridian Jun 2015 #19

I'm not just voting. (And I'm sure you're not either.) SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #35

I am voting for Bernie, then comes the hard part. madfloridian Jun 2015 #51

Ignored constituents, yep. nt SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #97

I'm voting for Bernie Sanders in Tn. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2015 #153

+1! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #256

Which one, Mondale or McGovern? immoderate Jun 2015 #20

I'm not sure it's 49, but around 40-45 is likely stevenleser Jun 2015 #21

Bernie will do very well in the south virtualobserver Jun 2015 #43

If he's in the south to get a suntan maybe, not in a general election. stevenleser Jun 2015 #49

the reason that he will do well is that he will be expressing anger.... virtualobserver Jun 2015 #75

There are always progressive candidates in the South doing that. And they always lose big. stevenleser Jun 2015 #151

apples and oranges virtualobserver Jun 2015 #189

Nope, its apples and apples. People trying to appeal to the same constituency using the same logic. stevenleser Jun 2015 #190

I've not heard any Democratic politician speak in the way that Bernie speaks...... virtualobserver Jun 2015 #215

Then you haven't been paying attention. There is nothing unique about Bernies stevenleser Jun 2015 #225

So what you are really saying is, Hillary is not a progressive..... virtualobserver Jun 2015 #229

Nope, but interesting straw man. Nt stevenleser Jun 2015 #231

just the logical conclusion reached from your posts- Hillary is not a Progressive. virtualobserver Jun 2015 #232

Nope, it's not the logical conclusion. It's the one you are forcing. Nt stevenleser Jun 2015 #242

ok, then......if not less progressive... virtualobserver Jun 2015 #248

She's just super appealing. That Clinton charisma, don't ya know. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #257

I'm here on Sunday 6-28 to point out that you are agreeing with a banned bigot Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #273

This was before those bigoted OPs. Your attempt at correlation is invalid. stevenleser Jun 2015 #275

You understand the various problems with this comment to me right? stevenleser Jun 2015 #277

unrec G_j Jun 2015 #22

Why that's ridiculous. Unless.. Bonobo Jun 2015 #23

Bingo! maybe they aren't as committed as they demand of others. nt Snotcicles Jun 2015 #29

Bazinga! nt SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #37

PUMAv2 frylock Jun 2015 #73

They tried the PUMA thing in 2008, and got laughed at. n/t backscatter712 Jun 2015 #188

Your 'concern' is palpable. [n/t] Maedhros Jun 2015 #24

Very palpable Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #65

I can't even imagine how bad the internal polling must look frylock Jun 2015 #74

Plus, if Bernie won he would eventually be forced out of office. Elwood P Dowd Jun 2015 #25

. SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #39

I reject these absolutes so early in the game. nt Snotcicles Jun 2015 #26

Exactly. nt SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #40

Thank you for your CONCERN nt geek tragedy Jun 2015 #27

So be it n/t whatchamacallit Jun 2015 #28

I believe you're wrong. TDale313 Jun 2015 #31

add +1 to the "Bernie is unelectable" meme counter. nt antigop Jun 2015 #32

My attitude has changed since I've seen public school teachers ridiculed and shamed publicly. madfloridian Jun 2015 #33

I hate to say it, but SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #45

Of course, it's about the SCOTUS Splatterpunk Jun 2015 #52

Oh, it would be the (somewhat) lesser of two evils, for sure. SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #98

Oh, just stop. JUST. STOP. with the SCOTUS boogeyman. antigop Jun 2015 #56

It's not a bogeyman to me, but SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #96

Well, that's incredibly selfish since it will have an impact for generations. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #121

And NAFTA, DOMA, DADT, TM99 Jun 2015 #130

Abortion rights will be gone if a Democrat is not elected in 2016. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #132

I disagree. TM99 Jun 2015 #139

It's about SCOTUS. Are you unaware of the massive attacks on choice? Women being jailed? PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #143

You missed my point. TM99 Jun 2015 #144

My point is that anyone who "doesn't give a flying fuck about SCOTUS" is a selfish jerk. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #148

It is not my highest priority. TM99 Jun 2015 #149

Nobody's holding you hostage, TM. And that's hardly the 'single issue' which would be impacted. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #152

I won't be "held hostage by a fear tactic" either. Enough of the SCOTUS boogeyman. nt antigop Jun 2015 #183

Nope. Not true. People need decent jobs and the corporatists will just outsource more and more antigop Jun 2015 #171

Anyone who "doesn't give a flying fuck about SCOTUS" is an asshole.. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #176

No one posted the words you quoted. And I noticed you didn't address what I posted. antigop Jun 2015 #178

Lol, right flying "leap" wink wink PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #180

You misquoted and still didn't address what I posted. Who's being selfish? nt antigop Jun 2015 #182

Bernie will win so..... Enthusiast Jun 2015 #261

All those attacks on choice were designed to generate fear. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #260

No, they were designed to restrict acces. And they're working. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #262

I think you're wrong. The attacks on women's rights will be a negative come election time. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #263

Did you see ANYTHING I posted above that you replied to? PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #264

It was a complete smokescreen. It's quite revealing that you spent five seconds providing us with Enthusiast Jun 2015 #267

You obviously don't know shit about abortion rights. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #268

You and your buddies only wish that was true. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #270

I have no idea what you're talking about our what "buddies" you're referring to. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #271

+1! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #259

Also, 2 out of 3 of those listed in your title were overturned under a Democrat. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #150

exactly. I am FAR more concerned about the damage another corporatist will do. nt antigop Jun 2015 #170

and putting in a corporate Dem will have an impact for generations. So who's being selfish? nt antigop Jun 2015 #169

I'd say it's "incredibly selfish" it you don't care about people losing their jobs. nt antigop Jun 2015 #172

You're very very confused. I'm talking general election. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #174

no, you're the one who's confused. nt antigop Jun 2015 #175

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I am living in Texas with the consequences of the loss of the Voting Rights Act Gothmog Jun 2015 #208

more boogeyman....ooh, scary. Sorry... not falling for it as others are on DU. antigop Jun 2015 #209

Do you think it is fun telling voters that they can not vote because the can not pay a poll tax Gothmog Jun 2015 #211

Do you think it's fun for laid off tech workers to have to work at Home Depot? I repeat... antigop Jun 2015 #214

and I work in the tech industry and have seen thousands of colleagues lose their jobs to outsourcing antigop Jun 2015 #210

Seriously? treestar Jun 2015 #245

You are so right. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #258

I wouldn't worry about Bernie supporters at this stage of the game. Kalidurga Jun 2015 #34

Of course "they" are really worried SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #48

I can't think of any other reason than they are worried. Kalidurga Jun 2015 #77

Sorry, but just because you haven't seen attacks don't mean they won't happen... Sancho Jun 2015 #137

Oh I have seen the attacks, they are nothing more than a case of the vapors though. Kalidurga Jun 2015 #147

Ok, we disagree. To me they are real issues. Sancho Jun 2015 #156

Good for you. Kalidurga Jun 2015 #158

What are these issues that you speak of? frylock Jun 2015 #220

hmmm....I'm not sure public vetting works here. Sancho Jun 2015 #230

Sorry but at this point in time I don't look at it that way at all. lovemydog Jun 2015 #36

The Clinton Foundation called. You can pick up your check anytime. tularetom Jun 2015 #38

The 1950's called, they want their red scare back Lordquinton Jun 2015 #41

I seem to recall McGovern and Mondale losing in the 70s and 80s. brooklynite Jun 2015 #54

And? Lordquinton Jun 2015 #59

The "Red Scare" had nothing to do with it... brooklynite Jun 2015 #61

The Red Scare is what is being conjured Lordquinton Jun 2015 #218

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #155

Yes, simply labelling it a "scare tactic" and dismissing it treestar Jun 2015 #247

It would depend on who the GOP candidate is. It's that simple. mwooldri Jun 2015 #44

Thank you for your concern. HERVEPA Jun 2015 #46

Oh, Jeebus. Who gave you a crystal ball??? kath Jun 2015 #47

Bernie is more electable than HRC. rbnyc Jun 2015 #50

Bernie is unrealistic Sean23 Jun 2015 #60

Bernie is unelectable. redstateblues Jun 2015 #64

The race this time is not to the middle. CanadaexPat Jun 2015 #134

People are fed up with old style politicians. azmom Jun 2015 #166

"Bernie would not get 20 percent of the vote in the south." Where are you from that you know how he Ghost in the Machine Jun 2015 #58

I live in TN and I can tell you Bernie might pull 30% statewide redstateblues Jun 2015 #62

"The Democratic party outside of Nashville is virtually non existent." Tell that to Knoxville.. Ghost in the Machine Jun 2015 #66

The nominee will be attacked for being a socialist. Might as well nominate a real one. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #67

Bingo! kenfrequed Jun 2015 #70

Those who do not learn from history McCamy Taylor Jun 2015 #68

cool story. frylock Jun 2015 #71

Maybe. I'm still likely voting for Bernie though. Bradical79 Jun 2015 #76

You do realize the election is 16 months away, right? Warpy Jun 2015 #78

Davishenderson wendylaroux Jun 2015 #79

It's going to be tough for either to win gwheezie Jun 2015 #80

Nominate Hillary and we lose 50. U4ikLefty Jun 2015 #81

THAT is ridiculous. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #102

And phenomenally lazy... brooklynite Jun 2015 #108

Poster should have ended that with, "... in my head". PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #113

Speaking of Wall Street & being phenomenally lazy. U4ikLefty Jun 2015 #239

Whoosh!!! nt U4ikLefty Jun 2015 #240

Outrageous! Absurd! Unthinkable! bluestateguy Jun 2015 #82

I voted for McGovern and will vote for Sanders. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2015 #83

At least I will come home from the polls with my head held high rather than the taste of vomit in my Purveyor Jun 2015 #84

Hair on fire with no links AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #85

So tired of this stuff. And over a year to go. madfloridian Jun 2015 #87

some seem to think MFM008 Jun 2015 #88

BENGHAZI!!! frylock Jun 2015 #221

Whatever would we DO without such sensible voices of reason? Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #89

Hogwash. The GOP only wins in districts that have been mapped to support them. HuckleB Jun 2015 #90

I have some strong doubts about Sanders being a viable general election candidate Gothmog Jun 2015 #91

Huh, can you tell us who will win the 5th at Santa Anita? DiverDave Jun 2015 #92

Insanity, the demographics are different now Motown_Johnny Jun 2015 #93

You are right the nation has changed demographically but not that much, please see Post 135 DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #154

Fuck the Reagancrats RandiFan1290 Jun 2015 #94

Don't worry MoonRiver Jun 2015 #95

I remember similar things being said about Obama. Vinca Jun 2015 #99

Elect Clinton and we get more of the same. It's that simple. nt bemildred Jun 2015 #100

To which Republican candidate that polls higher, exactly? Orsino Jun 2015 #101

Any scenario that actually nominates Bernie quaker bill Jun 2015 #103

Or we could elect another corporatist... sendero Jun 2015 #104

Let's go with that stereotype... brooklynite Jun 2015 #107

You guys/gals JUST DON'T GET IT.... sendero Jun 2015 #112

To which one are you comparing Clinton? PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #114

Neither in particular... sendero Jun 2015 #115

It's hyperbolic and incredibly selfish and short-sighted. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #116

I'll say it again.. sendero Jun 2015 #117

For all of his shortcomings, Obama's SCOTUS picks were spot on. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #119

In which case, you're saying you'll accept either... brooklynite Jun 2015 #122

Some Sanders supporters are the PROUD PUMA's of 2016, I guess. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #125

the fuck?! frylock Jun 2015 #222

Lol, no. PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #224

And yet the premise of the OP is there are Hillary voters who won't vote for Bernie Fumesucker Jun 2015 #157

So elect another Corporatist. Right.... Katashi_itto Jun 2015 #105

Thanks loads for your concern. HappyMe Jun 2015 #109

That's ridiculous. There are enough yellow dog Democrats and solidly blue states to give him a PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #111

If we nominate Bernie, that means Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #118

Nominate Clinton and we lose all 50. LWolf Jun 2015 #120

I agree,there is no viable path to the White House sufrommich Jun 2015 #123

The third way folks have a long history of getting it wrong Mnpaul Jun 2015 #124

The cons have been awful quiet about Bernie. It's like they have their fingers crossed B Calm Jun 2015 #126

Could you please re-write your prophecy as a quatrain, Nostrodamus? deutsey Jun 2015 #127

Nice retort. nt ladjf Jun 2015 #140

Nostradamus speaks Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #141

LOL! corkhead Jun 2015 #165

Bravo! deutsey Jun 2015 #217

Chances are the OP is correct... Sancho Jun 2015 #131

Bullshit. 99Forever Jun 2015 #133

These threads aren't helpful... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #135

Well put. Paladin Jun 2015 #136

Bullshit. Americans love socialism. Scuba Jun 2015 #138

A candidate who calls himself a Socialist redstateblues Jun 2015 #168

Well bless your heart. It's good you feel so positive about things. Autumn Jun 2015 #159

I miss unrec. City Lights Jun 2015 #160

THE SKY IS FALLING !!!!!!!! H2O Man Jun 2015 #161

Then we get the government we deserve corkhead Jun 2015 #162

I think it is more probable that Bernie will be the Jimmy Carter example rather than McGovern... kentuck Jun 2015 #167

Your concern is noted. truebrit71 Jun 2015 #173

It's a long, long road to any nomination for Senator Sanders. MineralMan Jun 2015 #181

Bernie Sanders ain't no "crying" Muskie or "Eagleton--1000%--Shriver" McGovern. WinkyDink Jun 2015 #184

He's not in it to enhance Hillary's campaign. He's in it to win it. You don't have to vote for him. GoneFishin Jun 2015 #186

Hillary Clinton is not viable in the general election. backscatter712 Jun 2015 #187

Spot on. Atman Jun 2015 #191

Bernie wins 50... ileus Jun 2015 #193

"I would like to see some other people get into the Democratic race." KamaAina Jun 2015 #195

So Clinton's voters won't vote for Sanders if he wins the primary? jeff47 Jun 2015 #196

Clinton can win with Sanders' supporters but... kentuck Jun 2015 #198

Well, if Clinton can win and Sanders can't jeff47 Jun 2015 #199

Exactly! kentuck Jun 2015 #200

Sanders cannot win with just Clinton supporters treestar Jun 2015 #246

This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler Jun 2015 #197

Not 49, but I think he'd struggle to win California taught_me_patience Jun 2015 #203

That's just stupid. Of course he'd win CA. LeftyMom Jun 2015 #237

Head to head polling has Bernie even with the GOP candidates in CA and losing stevenleser Jun 2015 #252

So, we're Hillary Hostages, then? By "we" I mean you. dogknob Jun 2015 #204

Bernie's message appeals to every American Grilled Charlie Jun 2015 #205

You are simply wrong, but that is okay I forgive you for it. Rex Jun 2015 #206

So, this is warning to those thinking of supporting Bettie Jun 2015 #207

Hoo boy. Arkana Jun 2015 #212

The gop will rip any and all D candidates to shreds. That's what they do. Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #213

Fine. AngryOldDem Jun 2015 #216

Scared of him, huh? TBF Jun 2015 #219

Bernie has a far better chance than Hillary of appealing to independents and Republicans eridani Jun 2015 #223

There's probably hundreds of Republicans redstateblues Jun 2015 #227

There are millions of Tea Party types who are furious with banksters eridani Jun 2015 #228

Totally great point FloridaBlues Jun 2015 #226

who's playing the part of incumbent president Nixon? rurallib Jun 2015 #233

OMG WE'RE DOOMED! L0oniX Jun 2015 #234

Bullshit Marrah_G Jun 2015 #236

HRC gets no votes Bernie couldn't get. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #238

I think you are right treestar Jun 2015 #243

Mondale and McGovern didn't have social media on their side. Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #253

The nation is now in favor of gay marriage, legal pot, single payer health care, Enthusiast Jun 2015 #265

And WE can develop it further. Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #272

This person was tomsbtoned for being a homophobic troll. Renew Deal Jun 2015 #266

They should have gotten him for being a sockpuppet first. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #269

he wrote "homosexuals repulse me" nt m-lekktor Jun 2015 #274

Why hasn't this been moved to GD Primaries? DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #276

Just when I thought it was safe to go back in the water... antiquie Jun 2015 #278