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In reply to the discussion: An NRA board member "goes there" re: SC massacre [View all]RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)You went to great lengths to dodge the one question I asked. Which means, of course, that I asked precisely the correct question. It wasn't a 'gotcha' question - it was simply a direct question. In fact, you went so far as to tell me what question I should ask you instead, which makes absolutely no sense. Do you do that regularly in your personal life? Do you answer questions by telling the people who ask them that they should really have asked this?
Your various responses exemplify precisely my original point. There are a great many people who, on the subject of gun violence, will tell you that guns really have nothing to do with it. It's culture (without demonstrating the link between any particular sub-culture and gun violence), it's violence in movies, TV and video games (which I don't entirely disagree with, although serious violence in movies, television and even the existence of video games came well after we already had a huge gun violence problem), it's ethnic diversity (of course, it's natural that people of various ethnic backgrounds just want to go around shooting people of other ethnic backgrounds), it's this and that and NEVER, EVER about the single common element of all gun violence, guns. They're just tools, after all (never mind that a great many of them, especially handguns and genuine combat rifles are really made for shooting people - if you sell a tool that makes it really easy to loosen a rusty bolt, people will use it to loosen rusty bolts. If you sell a tool that make it really easy to put a piece of metal through people at high velocity, people will use it to shoot people.)
You used the dodge of 'whatever degree of gun control the American people will tolerate.' Telling phrase - using 'tolerate' instead of 'accept.'
I've had this conversation many times with many people who simply love having guns. I began including the 'high powered rifles' part about 6 years ago, as a test, and not once have I been disappointed. Since I started using it, it's always been the first dodge. Amazing.