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RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
60. Amazing - and I'm done.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 09:55 PM
Jun 2015

You went to great lengths to dodge the one question I asked. Which means, of course, that I asked precisely the correct question. It wasn't a 'gotcha' question - it was simply a direct question. In fact, you went so far as to tell me what question I should ask you instead, which makes absolutely no sense. Do you do that regularly in your personal life? Do you answer questions by telling the people who ask them that they should really have asked this?

Your various responses exemplify precisely my original point. There are a great many people who, on the subject of gun violence, will tell you that guns really have nothing to do with it. It's culture (without demonstrating the link between any particular sub-culture and gun violence), it's violence in movies, TV and video games (which I don't entirely disagree with, although serious violence in movies, television and even the existence of video games came well after we already had a huge gun violence problem), it's ethnic diversity (of course, it's natural that people of various ethnic backgrounds just want to go around shooting people of other ethnic backgrounds), it's this and that and NEVER, EVER about the single common element of all gun violence, guns. They're just tools, after all (never mind that a great many of them, especially handguns and genuine combat rifles are really made for shooting people - if you sell a tool that makes it really easy to loosen a rusty bolt, people will use it to loosen rusty bolts. If you sell a tool that make it really easy to put a piece of metal through people at high velocity, people will use it to shoot people.)

You used the dodge of 'whatever degree of gun control the American people will tolerate.' Telling phrase - using 'tolerate' instead of 'accept.'

I've had this conversation many times with many people who simply love having guns. I began including the 'high powered rifles' part about 6 years ago, as a test, and not once have I been disappointed. Since I started using it, it's always been the first dodge. Amazing.

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Ban all guns! PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #1
Yes, if only those 87 year old women had been faster on the draw. villager Jun 2015 #2
I hate to say it, but... TheCowsCameHome Jun 2015 #3
Charles “Chas” Cotton, I wish you all the onecaliberal Jun 2015 #4
Holy fkg gd LiberalElite Jun 2015 #5
Ugh....good lord. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? -nt Liberal Veteran Jun 2015 #6
The NRA's core non-gun-industry members RiverNoord Jun 2015 #55
The NRA libodem Jun 2015 #7
Screw the racist, gun lover (another who says he's a "competitive" shooter), and the many like him. Hoyt Jun 2015 #8
soooo, I want it official and in writing: the NRA wants Black people to have guns MisterP Jun 2015 #9
Have they ever led you to believe differently? linuxman Jun 2015 #14
They did during the civil rights movement. Go look it up sometime. n/t Shamash Jun 2015 #29
This is different than "gun owners all have blood on their hands", how? N/T beevul Jun 2015 #10
The silence in response to your honest question is deafening. pablo_marmol Jun 2015 #25
As if any response..... daleanime Jun 2015 #28
LOL! As if The Controllers were known for embracing empirical evidence........ pablo_marmol Jun 2015 #39
Typical gun trash. nt geek tragedy Jun 2015 #11
Everyone focusing on the guns is wrong Man from Pickens Jun 2015 #12
Yeah. The guns just make it easier world wide wally Jun 2015 #19
only for the brutish Man from Pickens Jun 2015 #20
Your sig line explains your politics. Boomerproud Jun 2015 #36
It's meant to Man from Pickens Jun 2015 #37
You know you stepped in it some people would rather focus on the object rather than the cause... Kalidurga Jun 2015 #27
Again...Changing a cultural concept? busterbrown Jun 2015 #35
Wow RiverNoord Jun 2015 #45
" high-power rifles" beevul Jun 2015 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author RiverNoord Jun 2015 #48
You're right - handguns are mainly involved in murders and other gun violence RiverNoord Jun 2015 #49
"...a flawed statement that really didn't matter with respect to the overall issue..." beevul Jun 2015 #56
OK, again... RiverNoord Jun 2015 #58
No. Just no. beevul Jun 2015 #59
Amazing - and I'm done. RiverNoord Jun 2015 #60
"You went to great lengths to dodge the one question I asked. " beevul Jun 2015 #62
Changing a culture takes decades, at minimum.. Generations? more like it.. busterbrown Jun 2015 #34
OK. So, you would naturally be vigorously against RiverNoord Jun 2015 #44
It wouldn't have hurt in this case Man from Pickens Jun 2015 #46
So, just to be clear... RiverNoord Jun 2015 #50
No sorry Man from Pickens Jun 2015 #53
So yes or no? RiverNoord Jun 2015 #54
If only the two police officers killed in NY a few months ago things would have been different. Renew Deal Jun 2015 #13
here we go again allan01 Jun 2015 #15
I'm pretty sure that was ABC, not the nra. beevul Jun 2015 #23
The ammosexuals are strange, strange people. hifiguy Jun 2015 #16
Only to be expected when you look at the names of the board. hobbit709 Jun 2015 #17
Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #18
R#21 & K, yeah-yeah they shoulda been Open-Carrying for a big shootout n/t UTUSN Jun 2015 #21
Ah, the Good Guy With the Gun theory Deny and Shred Jun 2015 #22
I agree, that IS vomit worthy. beevul Jun 2015 #24
Hysterical! You didn't even realize that you posted a pro-RESTRICTION playbook! pablo_marmol Jun 2015 #26
I realize it Deny and Shred Jun 2015 #43
your name is perfect. clffrdjk Jun 2015 #57
Truly, Orwell was right. Ignorance -is- strength. n/t Shamash Jun 2015 #30
You do realize that other than firing range and MPs, nobody on a stateside military base is armed? X_Digger Jun 2015 #61
Have these morons never heard of an ambush? You know, how heavily-armed soldiers can be taken WinkyDink Jun 2015 #31
Or friendly fire sarge43 Jun 2015 #32
Especially that last one! WinkyDink Jun 2015 #40
Dear Charles enjoy rotting in hell davidpdx Jun 2015 #33
repulsive. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2015 #38
You can't fix stupid. And "stupid" is a charitable adjective raccoon Jun 2015 #41
Has Any One Connected the Dots... LovingA2andMI Jun 2015 #42
He just needs a good hard slapping. randys1 Jun 2015 #51
Just call 911? Yeah, right. Big Slim Jun 2015 #52
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