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cheapdate

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80. I agree with you completely.
Wed Jun 24, 2015, 10:37 PM
Jun 2015

Chomsky and West are unforgiving critics and bless them for that. But you don't rally masses of voters by being a constant critic, as Richard Rorty explains:

"National pride is to countries what self-respect is to individuals: a necessary condition for self-improvement. Too much national pride can produce bellicosity and imperialism, just as excessive self-respect can produce arrogance. But just as too little self-respect makes it difficult for a person to display moral courage, so insufficient national pride makes energetic and effective debate about national policy unlikely.

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"Those who hope to persuade a nation to exert itself need to remind their country of what it can take pride in as well as what it should be ashamed of. They must tell inspiring stories about episodes and figures in the nation's past -- episodes and figures to which the country should remain true. Nations rely on artists and intellectuals to create images of, and to tell stories about, the national past. Competition for political leadership is in part a competition between differing stories about a nation's self-identity, and between differing symbols of it's greatness." - Richard Rorty. Achieving Our Country. 1997

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as I noted in another similar thread.... grasswire Jun 2015 #1
In what way? LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #4
how will a west endorsement of Sanders be a game changer ? JI7 Jun 2015 #5
at the very least, his endorsement will insure lots of black voters will know who Bernie is! napi21 Jun 2015 #14
Many black voters do not like Cornell West. bravenak Jun 2015 #37
I was gonna say "most!" You hit the nail on the head. MADem Jun 2015 #64
Exactly. He is off putting and offensive these days. bravenak Jun 2015 #67
It is why In stopped listening to NPR sheshe2 Jun 2015 #118
I don't listen either... bravenak Jun 2015 #126
Thats good to know. He's an asshole. His recent insult of the Pres is ridiculous. 7962 Jun 2015 #66
He know that if he says the most negative things while dropping n bombs, he'll get the attention he bravenak Jun 2015 #69
So who sent Cornell to disrupt tne Sanders campaign? TheNutcracker Jun 2015 #81
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2015 #111
It isn't tymorial Jun 2015 #35
Are you suggesting that Democratic Jews will call Bernie a self hating Jew for seeking and getting Exilednight Jun 2015 #48
Did Bernie seek his endorsement? AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #56
Yeah, it would be a game changer. It would blow the Sanders campaign to bits. He just said pnwmom Jun 2015 #8
Ummmm... that's putting it EXTREMELY kindly Number23 Jun 2015 #15
+1 bravenak Jun 2015 #38
This times 10000 JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #47
+1 lovemydog Jun 2015 #75
And I really should have qualified my comment by saying CERTAIN white liberals love Corny Number23 Jun 2015 #91
LOL, thanks. lovemydog Jun 2015 #93
it has to be Quayblue Jun 2015 #101
ikr lovemydog Jun 2015 #103
perfect Quayblue Jun 2015 #110
cornell west would be sander's "noam chomsky" hopemountain Jun 2015 #92
The Sanders campaign has been dogged with allegations that he is out of touch on race issues Number23 Jun 2015 #100
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2015 #112
Yes, he is out of touch with your issues... sheshe2 Jun 2015 #119
I ESPECIALLY refuse to believe that anyone with any brain would think this would be a good thing for Cha Jun 2015 #127
Makes one wonder Andy823 Jun 2015 #18
People who don't have any feel for politics? LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #27
This ^ PeaceNikki Jun 2015 #54
People who are so out of touch with the Black Community that they don't know what a Cha Jun 2015 #130
Exactly. n/t FSogol Jun 2015 #19
Yeah go for it, Bernie.. let's see if you're as hateful as Dr West. Cha Jun 2015 #125
"Cornel West: Obama Is First 'Niggerized' Black President" yeah, that cornel would be a game changer Cha Jun 2015 #133
Indeed. Volaris Jun 2015 #87
I don't know frazzled Jun 2015 #2
He was right in seeing Obama as establishment however. A center-right DLC Democrat. Fearless Jun 2015 #3
And he was right! Le Taz Hot Jun 2015 #7
You think the black community will follow a person who called Obama a "niggerized black"? pnwmom Jun 2015 #16
First off, the "black community" doesn't think with one mind. Le Taz Hot Jun 2015 #24
West has a tiny number of supporters compared to Obama, black or white. pnwmom Jun 2015 #28
I'll give your counsel Le Taz Hot Jun 2015 #30
Good luck finding any black DUers who would be more likely to support Sanders pnwmom Jun 2015 #55
Amazing self identified Black folks say West ain't all that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #104
Not all blacks and bi-racials TM99 Jun 2015 #41
True. There are some Blacks and bi-racials that just loved bush and romney and cruz. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #105
So those don't like Obama's neo-liberal politics TM99 Jun 2015 #109
Well some are; but, no ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #135
Cornel West is a nasty, narcissistic blow-hard. If he allies with Sanders, that's the kiss of death. pnwmom Jun 2015 #6
West has lost credibility with black voters kwassa Jun 2015 #11
Yup. Calling him a "niggerized black" was the last straw. n/t pnwmom Jun 2015 #13
And do you know how it started? LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #22
Yes -- I'd forgotten that, but I remember that story now. That's the beginning of my realizing pnwmom Jun 2015 #26
You gotta be shitting me. nt 7962 Jun 2015 #74
This is one of the best magazine articles of this year. lovemydog Jun 2015 #116
I read it back in April LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #155
How very... Newt Gingrich of him. Remember the Clinton - Gingrich Air Force One kerfluffle? freshwest Jun 2015 #117
It did it for me and I am white. nt sheshe2 Jun 2015 #33
Obama has lost credibility with AA voters. Exilednight Jun 2015 #50
Who told you this? That he has lost credibility with black voters? bravenak Jun 2015 #52
anybody who claims to speak for a whole community of voters one way or the other m-lekktor Jun 2015 #72
so, you don't have any data either? Obama's approval was at 91% with black voters in March. kwassa Jun 2015 #77
lol sheshe2 Jun 2015 #157
Girl, I hate him. bravenak Jun 2015 #158
Sounds like an asshole. sheshe2 Jun 2015 #159
I stopped because he seems turned on by it. Fuck that!! :) bravenak Jun 2015 #160
Bullshit. Find an ounce of proof of this thesis. kwassa Jun 2015 #60
They don't have any. A massive amount of their pro-Bernie arguments are simply wishful thinking stevenleser Jun 2015 #68
This thesis is particularly outrageous. kwassa Jun 2015 #71
Agreed. It is one of the worst. Right up there with how Bernie would do great in the South in a G.E. stevenleser Jun 2015 #73
But we just love it when white folks tell us what we think. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #106
Yeah, like making some stupid statement that Obama has lost credibility with Black Voters.. Cha Jun 2015 #123
Obama's approval rating as of last week with black voters was 87%. kwassa Jun 2015 #79
Do you have any credible source for that? Have you seen a scientific poll on this pnwmom Jun 2015 #98
As you asked. Exilednight Jun 2015 #136
Bwaaaa Haaaaa Spazito Jun 2015 #149
Right, you don't have anything pnwmom Jun 2015 #154
nnnnnnnnnnnooo uponit7771 Jun 2015 #113
That's a lot of ignorant wishful thinking on your part. Cha Jun 2015 #124
See post 136 Exilednight Jun 2015 #137
Yep, be sure to check out the link provided for you, it is delicious... Spazito Jun 2015 #153
And, why not Spazito..he's loveable! President Barack Obama's message to the GOP on #ObamaCare's 6-3 Cha Jun 2015 #161
Today was a great day, two big decisions, two big wins for the public... Spazito Jun 2015 #162
Awwww! Sweet for your grandson, too.. congratulations to him on graduating! Cha Jun 2015 #163
Mahalo, Cha! Spazito Jun 2015 #164
Your choice of words here is most unfortunate & unseemly 99th_Monkey Jun 2015 #78
"He’s our Slavoj Žižek" Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #9
If only he were Zizek! The idea actually makes me laugh tishaLA Jun 2015 #25
Yes...Hmmmm, indeed! Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #34
Cornell West will not help Bernie Sanders if he wins the nomination. West is a Markist without still_one Jun 2015 #10
Noam Chomsky is a bad guy now? Wow. Fearless Jun 2015 #12
wow, where did I say he was a bad guy? I said he would not help Bernie's campaign. Also, I never still_one Jun 2015 #31
I agree with you completely. cheapdate Jun 2015 #80
You articulated the point I was trying to make far better than I did still_one Jun 2015 #96
Sanders isn't "embracing" anyone. Other people are embracing HIM. arcane1 Jun 2015 #53
I agree, I just don't agree with the speculation of the OP that West would help Sanders garner the still_one Jun 2015 #57
Agreed. n/t arcane1 Jun 2015 #58
and as you said, Sanders does not need to embrace anyone. He is his own person, and quite still_one Jun 2015 #62
And I suspect he's going to attract a lot of people who otherwise disagree w/each other. arcane1 Jun 2015 #65
Frankly I've been wondering when this was going to happen. ucrdem Jun 2015 #17
i disagree. Sanders is far better. most of the criticism JI7 Jun 2015 #23
Well I disagree. For all the talk of Bernie's piety I've yet to see it in 23 years. nt ucrdem Jun 2015 #29
Piety? That's the quality of being religious or reverent, which in politics is usually expressed as Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #40
LOL, that isn't what I meant. nt ucrdem Jun 2015 #45
So what did you mean instead of 'piety'? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2015 #140
Pious professions of innocence. nt ucrdem Jun 2015 #141
Innocence about what? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2015 #146
You missed the irony. nt ucrdem Jun 2015 #147
You are saying your posts are meaningless muriel_volestrangler Jun 2015 #148
Bernie is a political pro and West puts him on the road to Kookyville BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #42
Okay. But realistically, consider what Sanders' platform IS, per his own admission: ucrdem Jun 2015 #49
You insult a lot of Democratic constituencies. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #86
A lot of constituencies have parted company with their senses. Here's a good example: ucrdem Jun 2015 #94
Bernie has been very consistent in his positions dreamnightwind Jun 2015 #143
This. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #51
Yes. Bernie knows what he's doing. Allying himself with West is not to his advantage. n/t pnwmom Jun 2015 #63
As I posted in another thread.... tishaLA Jun 2015 #20
Yes, I believe there is a misreading of the sentiment... Spazito Jun 2015 #44
maye the President deliberately incinerating the party's good name in order to get the GOP to pass MisterP Jun 2015 #99
I don't deny that's a fair criticism, but West is a very poor messenger tishaLA Jun 2015 #107
And this is a good thing how? wyldwolf Jun 2015 #21
how about causing more polarization, especially with Cornell West still_one Jun 2015 #32
White Third Way conservatives don't like Professor West. This will surely cost Bernie Zorra Jun 2015 #36
An alliance would cost Bernie the votes of anyone who doesn't like Obama pnwmom Jun 2015 #59
Most Harlem residents are pretty pissed off at West after his tantrums stevenleser Jun 2015 #70
Bernie would have to get the endorsement of Rahm Emanuel.... raindaddy Jun 2015 #84
Blacks don't much like West, either. Drunken Irishman Jun 2015 #108
Got proof that any substantial number of African Americans don't like him? Zorra Jun 2015 #114
Yes. Drunken Irishman Jun 2015 #115
Yes, here's one DUer's comment who actually supports Bernie. I've read lots of other posts online Cha Jun 2015 #122
No problem. bravenak Jun 2015 #129
Great! 'Cause you say it all. End of story. Cha Jun 2015 #131
That ought to work.... Historic NY Jun 2015 #39
I certainly hope not. JTFrog Jun 2015 #43
Cornel West is not one of America's leading public intellectuals mythology Jun 2015 #46
Right. Sanders wants and needs Obama voters. The last thing he'd want to do is ally himself pnwmom Jun 2015 #61
After aligning himself with the Republicans to fast track his signature raindaddy Jun 2015 #89
Have a link ... NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #128
A link? You're joking right? raindaddy Jun 2015 #138
I'm going to go ahead and assume ... NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #156
Are they an item now? leftofcool Jun 2015 #76
Someone should give West the line POSUCS. lovemydog Jun 2015 #82
Good for Cornell West... raindaddy Jun 2015 #83
...^ that 840high Jun 2015 #97
Cornel West is the socialist Donald Trump. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #85
Ahahahaha... SidDithers Jun 2015 #88
But, I bet he doesn't. leftofcool Jun 2015 #95
I say "go for it, Bernie".. so many of your supporters on DU think he's great or so I've read. Cha Jun 2015 #121
This guy is serious SmittynMo Jun 2015 #90
Cornel West is the left's version of Ben Carson and Allen West... Drunken Irishman Jun 2015 #102
“Calling Obama a ‘global George Zimmerman’?No. No.”: Michael Eric Dyson sounds off on Cornel West.. Cha Jun 2015 #132
interesting is a great comment on this marym625 Jun 2015 #120
"Cornel West: Obama Is First 'Niggerized' Black President" yeah, that cornel would be a game changer Cha Jun 2015 #134
Well, it would bring attention to his campaign. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #139
Tainted currency Prism Jun 2015 #142
The concern trolls here crack me up dreamnightwind Jun 2015 #144
Not that there's any reason to think there could be an 'alliance'; Flanders asked 'will you ... muriel_volestrangler Jun 2015 #145
Bernie may snag coveted endorsement from guy who has not one lick of political sense! struggle4progress Jun 2015 #150
Because people who look to Cornel West for guidance were totally open to voting geek tragedy Jun 2015 #151
If the MSM thought Jeremiah Wright threw down some vengeful untruths. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #152
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