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notadmblnd

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23. Such a scary word "socialist"
Thu Jun 25, 2015, 06:32 PM
Jun 2015

What so many politicians and the media leave off is that Bernie identifies himself as a "Socialist Democrat", again, I do believe there is a difference.


Socialism vs Social Democracy — What’s The Difference?

One is about collective ownership of the means of production;
the other about organic social solidarity with private ownership of production.

One is restrictive;
the other libertarian.

One is metaphysical (excessively abstract reasoning);
the other empirical (demonstrable, verifiable reasoning).

One is dogmatic;
the other scientific.

One is emotional;
the other reflective.

One is destructive;
the other constructive.

Both are in pursuit of the greatest possible welfare for all.

– One aims to establish happiness for all;

– the other to enable each to be happy in one’s own way.

The first regards the State as a society “sui generis,” of a unique essence, the product of a right outside of and above all society, with special rights and able to exact special obediences;
the second considers the State as an association like any other, generally managed no better and no more efficient than others.

The first proclaims the sovereignty of the State;
the second recognizes no sort of sovereign.

One wishes all monopolies to be held by the State;
the other wishes the abolition of all monopolies.

One wishes the governed class to become the governing class;
the other wishes the disappearance of classes.

Both declare that the existing state of things cannot last.

– The first considers revolutions as the indispensable agent of evolutions;

– the second teaches that repression alone turns political evolutions into revolution.

The first has faith in a cataclysm;
the second knows that social progress will result from the free play of individual efforts.

One wishes that there should be none but proletariats;
the other wishes that there should be no more proletariats.

The first wishes to take everything away from everybody;
the second wishes to leave each in possession of its own.

The one wishes to expropriate everybody;
the other wishes everybody to be a proprietor.

The first says: Do as the government wishes;
the second says: Do as you wish yourself.

The former threatens with despotism;
the latter promises liberty.

The former makes the citizen the subject of the State;
the latter makes the State the employee of the citizen.

One proclaims that labor pains will be necessary to the birth of a new world;
the other declares that real progress will not cause suffering to any one.

The first has confidence in social war;
the other believes only in works of peace.

One aspires to command, to regulate, to legislate;
the other wishes to attain the minimum of command, of regulation, of legislation.

One would be followed by the most atrocious of reactions;
the other opens unlimited horizons to progress.

The first will fail;
the other will succeed.

One desires equality; the other seeks equity.

– The first by lowering heads that are too high;

– the other by raising heads that are too low.

One sees equality under a common yoke;
the other will secure equity in complete liberty.

One is intolerant;
the other tolerant.

One frightens;
the other reassures.

The first wishes to instruct everybody;
the second wishes to enable everybody to instruct one’s self.

The first wishes to support everybody;
the second wishes to enable everybody to support one’s self.

One says:

– The land to the State

– The mine to the State

– The tool to the State

– The product to the State

The other says:

– The land to the cultivator.

– The mine to the miner.

– The tool to the laborer.

– The product to the producer.

One is the infancy of Socialism;
the other is its manhood.

One is already the past;
the other is the future.

One will give way to the other…

Based upon the writing of ~ Ernest Lesigne – Liberty V, 10 (December 17, 1887), No. 114, p. 5.

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Yeah, it's been a truly magical show today. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #1
I have never watched Morning Joe and never will katmondoo Jun 2015 #2
Probably a lot better for your blood pressure. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #3
businesses in CT have gotten all kinds of tax breaks over the years and now our Governor CTyankee Jun 2015 #9
and now they have Clair McCaskill (sp?) trashing Bernie Sanders notadmblnd Jun 2015 #4
I don't know how she has room to talk, stuffed with all that onecaliberal Jun 2015 #5
I've always thought she was nothing but a DINO. Her pal Susan Collins too. notadmblnd Jun 2015 #7
???? - isn't Susan Collins a republican? DrDan Jun 2015 #11
Yup, look at how often Claire votes with Susan. onecaliberal Jun 2015 #12
just responding to the poster that said the she and Claire were what's wrong with the Dem party DrDan Jun 2015 #15
They are two peas in a pod. Party affiliation is starting to mean very little. onecaliberal Jun 2015 #16
of course it means a lot DrDan Jun 2015 #17
Maybe, but I thought she was a Democrat. notadmblnd Jun 2015 #18
agree - there is a difference. But with regard to McCaskill, she is working for DrDan Jun 2015 #19
I don't think Bernie has trashed Hillary. I think people are tired of negativity notadmblnd Jun 2015 #20
I think they would be more open to voting for a moderate than DrDan Jun 2015 #22
Such a scary word "socialist" notadmblnd Jun 2015 #23
I am not afraid of the word - I am talking about convincing independents to vote for him DrDan Jun 2015 #24
I think republicans are going to vote for him in droves notadmblnd Jun 2015 #25
yep - no sense trying to persuade independents - they represent only 40% of the voters DrDan Jun 2015 #32
I'm not going to argue with you notadmblnd Jun 2015 #33
He's OK if they vote on issues, not labels. immoderate Jun 2015 #28
TPP Claire should go find a lobbyist job n/t n2doc Jun 2015 #6
she probably has one already lined up... CTyankee Jun 2015 #10
Those are plusses in my candidate column. ananda Jun 2015 #13
And yet you keep right on watching it. 99Forever Jun 2015 #8
Comcasts paid liars. AngryAmish Jun 2015 #14
I don't know how anyone could stomach that show. Oneironaut Jun 2015 #21
Yep, my exact thoughts too. I try to watch it once in awhile, but then turn if off in RKP5637 Jun 2015 #29
i can't bring myself to watch restorefreedom Jun 2015 #26
It would be a far better show!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2015 #30
LOLOLOLOL!!!!! blm Jun 2015 #27
! annabanana Jun 2015 #31
Who is BJ? I don't watch morning joe. n/t FourScore Jun 2015 #34
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