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TM99

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139. The Left have lots of myths about Reagan's

Sun Jun 28, 2015, 07:30 AM

Jun 2015

conservatism.

He was far more moderate than either the Right or the Left of today want to believe.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/nicole-hemmer/2014/03/11/the-reagan-myth-was-alive-and-well-at-cpac

Reagan was not a racist either. After he won the GOP nomination in 1980, he said,

“I am committed to the protection and enforcement of the civil rights of black Americans . . . into every phase of the programs I will propose.”

And on MLK's birthday in 1983, he said, “Abraham Lincoln freed the black man,” he noted. “In many ways, Dr. King freed the white man. … Where others—white and black—preached hatred, he taught the principles of love and nonviolence.”

Now, I am not here to glorify Reagan or his administration. But Obama said he admired Reagan and was a 1980's moderate Republican economically. This is absolutely true especially when you strip away the myths of history and look at the actual reality.

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Is President Obama a corporatist? [View all] Sancho Jun 2015 OP

I hope you're correct. Little Star Jun 2015 #1

my questions would be these HFRN Jun 2015 #2

Obama himself told us that his economic policies are 1980's Republican LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #3

Exactly. BillZBubb Jun 2015 #9

Yup. And people somewhow do not want to believe hifiguy Jun 2015 #70

Yeah-- I don't get why so many people build these elaborate narratives to Marr Jun 2015 #11

Simply stated Yes he is and he admits it. Vincardog Jun 2015 #33

People are placated by social stances while the divide between poor and rich grows wider. EndElectoral Jun 2015 #68

There can be no socal justice without ecomonic justice. "Fiscal conservative" = FASCIST Vincardog Jun 2015 #86

It amazes me RichVRichV Jun 2015 #41

Yep-- and the mental gymnastics they have to do to reconcile that simple admission Marr Jun 2015 #45

I thought he compared himself to a "moderate" republican of the pre-Reagan era, not pampango Jun 2015 #49

The quote: PETRUS Jun 2015 #59

To me that is ambiguos. Many think of moderate republicans as like Eisnehower and conservative pampango Jun 2015 #65

We'd have to ask Obama for clarification in order to know what he meant. PETRUS Jun 2015 #79

A Rockefeller Republican to the core. LittleBlue Jun 2015 #77

Nope. He said his policies were moderate 1980s Republican LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #99

As opposed to 'conservative' 1980's republican policies which is what Reagan pursued. pampango Jun 2015 #102

You can twist yourself up all you'd like trying to rationalize his policies as "not as bad as Reagan LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #104

Being an "avowed republican economically" is not bad if Eisenhower is your version pampango Jun 2015 #109

That is not consistent with what Pres. Obama said. delrem Jun 2015 #131

I thought he said "moderate", not "conservative", republican. Reagan was not "moderate" and pampango Jun 2015 #137

The Left have lots of myths about Reagan's TM99 Jun 2015 #139

Well, in fairness the right have that myth too Recursion Jun 2015 #144

Re-quoting from EndElectoral's reply #68 delrem Jun 2015 #166

Can you post the quote and it's comtext? Adrahil Jun 2015 #156

Google is pretty simple to use LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #163

Fine. He's basically right. Moderate Republicans used to reject the whole Trickle Down Bullshit. Adrahil Jun 2015 #172

I find it amusing that in their loyalty to Obama LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #174

I eschew labels... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #4

'I just want them to live by the rules the rest of us do' HFRN Jun 2015 #6

Nobody is asking that corporations go away. That isn't the issue. BillZBubb Jun 2015 #12

Corporations wrote TPP. HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #18

Believe it. KeepItReal Jun 2015 #5

'He is just a fiscal conservative'---> for whom? HFRN Jun 2015 #10

He's in line with the EU austerity movement, Wall Street, and big money politics KeepItReal Jun 2015 #13

He is most certainly not in line with the EU austerity movement. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #23

The whole "Sequester" BS was how we implemented EU-style austerity KeepItReal Jun 2015 #25

I liked the Eulogy PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #7

I don't think he's in anyone's pocket. He simply believes in trickle down economics. Marr Jun 2015 #8

"Without Penny Pritzker, it is unlikely that Barack Obama ever would have been elected" KeepItReal Jun 2015 #16

and not backstage now: she is the current Secretary of Commerce afterall corkhead Jun 2015 #37

Interesting...I didn't know this background Sancho Jun 2015 #61

^^ This. winter is coming Jun 2015 #17

"...can we take Obama's word that the TPP will be good for American's jobs?" NO. truebluegreen Jun 2015 #14

the oldest game in the world is HFRN Jun 2015 #15

What's your point? truebluegreen Jun 2015 #123

Yet it might still be good for American jobs. darkwing Jun 2015 #56

Or not... BillZBubb Jun 2015 #93

The middle class in Asia is growing faster than anywhere else. darkwing Jun 2015 #117

"Open up Japan? Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #134

Agriculture darkwing Jun 2015 #162

Japan already imports 60% of its food, and there is no food shortage. Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #167

As far as farmers are concerned, more is better. darkwing Jun 2015 #168

Which farmers? Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #170

That's because Japan has one of the most protectionist farm industries in the world... darkwing Jul 2015 #178

Japanese food is some of the most wholesome in the world Art_from_Ark Jul 2015 #179

He is a neo-liberal. TM99 Jun 2015 #19

+1 Very well said. /nt RiverLover Jun 2015 #22

+1 BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #46

Bingo. roamer65 Jun 2015 #54

Or he is an imperfect liberal. "He is a human being like all of us, and he is a politician." pampango Jun 2015 #95

Do I have to post the video yet again TM99 Jun 2015 #119

"Obama's (2015) budget with a proposed increase in the maximum federal tax on capital gains pampango Jun 2015 #135

We can go back and forth more if you would like. TM99 Jun 2015 #138

Reagan raised capital gains taxes later in exchange for a slashing of income tax on the rich. pampango Jun 2015 #154

The Democratic Party is never going to bring down Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #20

He can be well-intentioned but wrong geek tragedy Jun 2015 #21

+1, I agree. Marr Jun 2015 #43

Good intentions and $3 tblue Jun 2015 #47

That is exactly the mindset I'm talking about. You assume because he geek tragedy Jun 2015 #48

"Obama Sides W/ the Wrong People for the Wrong Reasons at the Wrong Time" RiverLover Jun 2015 #24

He "introduced" the TPP? Way back in 2005? Recursion Jun 2015 #26

Indeed......this was the point I was going to write on....nt msanthrope Jun 2015 #29

True, but I meant he's been promoting it. Sancho Jun 2015 #72

His policy makers put the work in. joshcryer Jun 2015 #100

GWB signed on Brunei and Chile (nt) Recursion Jun 2015 #101

Fair enough. joshcryer Jun 2015 #103

in 2008 he was my next to last choice going into the caucuses rurallib Jun 2015 #27

Me too. I think many of us thought the same. eom Cleita Jun 2015 #38

I actually had some hope, naive in retrospect, hifiguy Jun 2015 #71

The Southern Democrats joined the Republicans when LBJ got the 65 INdemo Jun 2015 #83

Most likely, in my armchair non-economist opinion, TPP will either be good or neutral for jobs. randome Jun 2015 #28

+1. Hoyt Jun 2015 #58

+1 darkwing Jun 2015 #64

He is a complex human being Agnosticsherbet Jun 2015 #30

His whole life has been a rejection of the corporate path BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #31

The ACA was not a compromise. Advocates of single payer were not even Cleita Jun 2015 #32

Single payer had 8-10 votes in the Senate. Taking away everyone's health insurance geek tragedy Jun 2015 #52

The Wayne Gretzky Rule applies here. hifiguy Jun 2015 #73

How many shots did Michael Jordan attempt from beyond half-court? geek tragedy Jun 2015 #75

Single payer did not fail or implode. It was shot down by Gov. Shumlin. Cleita Jun 2015 #81

Because the politics of the necessary tax increase were toxic. nt geek tragedy Jun 2015 #82

Exactly, it had nothing to do with the failure of the program. It was never tried because the Cleita Jun 2015 #85

If the politics are toxic in VT, that's not very encouraging for national efforts nt geek tragedy Jun 2015 #87

No shit Sherlock. Some of us have been trying for decades to do just that because it works. eom Cleita Jun 2015 #89

Single payer was Medicare for all and it has been tested, mostly notably our neighbors to the Cleita Jun 2015 #74

Who would process claims in the Medicare for All program? geek tragedy Jun 2015 #76

It would be financed with the money that now goes to insurance companies and Cleita Jun 2015 #80

Single payer is the best end result. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #84

As long as the fox is in the henhouse, he will not leave until there are no more hens to eat. Cleita Jun 2015 #88

Precisely. hifiguy Jun 2015 #91

Gay marriage wasn't possible either, not so long ago. Marr Jun 2015 #158

Her's the thing... Adrahil Jun 2015 #157

Yes, as long as the insurance and pharmaceutical industries are Cleita Jun 2015 #165

Out comes the names, I have found when the argument is going away from some then the Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #34

Come in from the (brain) dead zone, Sancho Doctor_J Jun 2015 #35

Perhaps. Perhaps not. But, the sytem he operates in is. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2015 #36

Basically, yes. alarimer Jun 2015 #39

I woke up in the middle of the night composing a letter to him which asked that question. The jwirr Jun 2015 #40

It's not just the TPP, but every step of the way he puts corporations first... polichick Jun 2015 #42

YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT! n/t JTFrog Jun 2015 #130

He must think it will do us good treestar Jun 2015 #44

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. BillZBubb Jun 2015 #92

Everyone wants business to continue to do well. treestar Jun 2015 #116

yes. restorefreedom Jun 2015 #50

It's easy to believe he is for it Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #136

almost forgot about the reagan years restorefreedom Jun 2015 #149

If Obama's heart is in the right place, then that must say something about the current state AZ Progressive Jun 2015 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author AZ Progressive Jun 2015 #55

I can't beleive the 2008 Presidential canidate said the things he did, and saw orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #53

Let me remind everyone that even Bernie the fighter has a history of being a pragmatist AZ Progressive Jun 2015 #57

1983 Is no 1984, He was also the first Mayor of a city to indict the CIA , for orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #96

I am not sure, but he is corporeal. Vattel Jun 2015 #60

Another thing one must consider about the TPP is that it's likely a hail mary pass AZ Progressive Jun 2015 #62

I get why it's US policy but it's a fool's errand Recursion Jun 2015 #90

See, I don't care what he believes. It is a non factor as the road to Hell is TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #63

Yes, and he always has been. ananda Jun 2015 #66

Yes. He definitely is a corporatist. Never doubted he oratory skills. It's his actions I have a GoneFishin Jun 2015 #67

Is the Pope Catholic? hifiguy Jun 2015 #69

Yes he is INdemo Jun 2015 #78

What specifically is a "corporatist"?? DCBob Jun 2015 #94

Some would say fascist Lite, incorporating us with business, by force . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #105

I don't see how there can be any doubt. Broward Jun 2015 #97

The founding fathers were corporatist. joshcryer Jun 2015 #98

Oh like Jefferson saying they were the new enemy ? FDR was a corporatist ? orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #106

Hamilton laid the foundation for corporate America. joshcryer Jun 2015 #108

And Aaron Burr was the best editor the ' New York Evening Post ' ever had, no doubt orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #110

WTF are you talking about? joshcryer Jun 2015 #112

WTF ? He was an upstart who would have built another monarchy if given the chance , a real Bush. orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #113

He was an orphan who rose to the top. joshcryer Jun 2015 #114

No it's the ilk who will do whatever they need to profit, Orphaned great people included, Corporatist orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #118

The stock market did better during FDR's first two terms than it has under Obama. Does that pampango Jun 2015 #111

He saved US from, not for Capatalism . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #115

Of course FDR was a corporatist Recursion Jun 2015 #143

Reorganize ?? You mean organize, and this is how much he liked corporations.. orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #145

That's a Jefferson quote Recursion Jun 2015 #146

I'm sorry didn't mean to confuse presidents and centuries, those coalitions you speak of created orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #147

His TPP was the Reciprocal Trade Agreements Act and the Ex-Im bank Recursion Jun 2015 #148

The Founders had a fairly healthly distrust of corporations dflprincess Jun 2015 #128

You had the Jefferson and Hamilton camps. joshcryer Jun 2015 #129

We lost . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #132

Oh man, if Jefferson won... joshcryer Jun 2015 #140

Agreed, Bailouts included, but your right he was a Libertarian . And orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #142

The first Halliburton . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #133

If actions speak louder than words "Yes" Joe Turner Jun 2015 #107

Obama: Knock, Knock, Who's There? Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #120

YES!!! burrowowl Jun 2015 #121

He's won a lot of battles that we needed him to win..corporatocracy just wasn't one of them.. now lostnfound Jun 2015 #122

In a word, yes. 99Forever Jun 2015 #124

I can't decide TheFarseer Jun 2015 #125

I have formulated an opinion about TPP SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #126

i have no doubt restorefreedom Jun 2015 #151

Has This Question Already Been Answered By past Actions cantbeserious Jun 2015 #127

The "corporatist" confusion: Why a prominent political term needs to be retired -- The Salon DCBob Jun 2015 #141

Salon.com 3/2015 Rahm has "corporatist worldview"... RiverLover Jun 2015 #150

Actually, his being a corporatist was clear long before the vocal support of the TPP. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #152

i guess it all depends on if you think he gives more consideration raouldukelives Jun 2015 #153

I believe the President is a pragmatist. Adrahil Jun 2015 #155

I'm both an idealist and a pragmatist AZ Progressive Jun 2015 #169

I almost completely agree with you. Adrahil Jun 2015 #171

If the system is Right Wing and Racist, then being a "pragmatist" means supporting that status quo. Romulox Jun 2015 #176

Nonsense. Adrahil Jun 2015 #177

Yeah he is a corporatists betterdemsonly Jun 2015 #159

No, he's a communitarian. haele Jun 2015 #160

Yes, see his appointments, follow the money, and ask again honestly. TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #161

Is President Obama a corporatist? sjk.fly4ever Jun 2015 #164

Wish I could K&R more than once SCantiGOP Jun 2015 #173

He is absolutely a corporatist. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #175