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185. Captain Obvious comes to mind

Reply to PoliticAverse (Reply #127)

Mon Jun 29, 2015, 05:50 PM

Jun 2015

That phrase, to most progressives, is a near-slur.

I thought that concept was fairly obvious.

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Would you say "illegal immigrants" or "undocumented" ? [View all] Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 OP

Undocumented. n/t GP6971 Jun 2015 #1

Undocumented AuntPatsy Jun 2015 #2

Undocumented. azmom Jun 2015 #3

In the real world either works. -none Jun 2015 #4

Human beings are not illegal brush Jun 2015 #5

Can a human be undocumented? GummyBearz Jun 2015 #10

This is a progressive site, come on brush Jun 2015 #15

is it a "repug" talking point to say they are scabs who help force wages down? KittyWampus Jun 2015 #16

OFF TOPIC! nt brush Jun 2015 #20

Tangents are allowed in sub-threads. Please answer the question. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2015 #96

Love the Bernie pic... randys1 Jun 2015 #104

WTH, it's not even your question. brush Jun 2015 #184

Yes, and we educated folks shouldn't keep getting hung up on wording GummyBearz Jun 2015 #21

"progressive" site? - look at all the threads trashing the south DrDan Jun 2015 #42

Is their target the people or the policies? brush Jun 2015 #45

and that applies throughout the U.S. - not exclusively the South DrDan Jun 2015 #49

True! brush Jun 2015 #52

Agreed randys1 Jun 2015 #105

? An undocumented immigrant is one who immigrates into a country without immigration documents merrily Jun 2015 #205

Their actions can be. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #61

Not all are here at DU for the same reasons CreekDog Jun 2015 #123

The phrase "illegal immigrant" doesn't mean the person is illegal it means their immigration PoliticAverse Jun 2015 #127

As the Supreme Court has explained, being undocumented is not a crime. Luminous Animal Jun 2015 #150

Again speaking to the "illegal immigrant" phrase, you are no more saying that the person themself PoliticAverse Jun 2015 #160

I take my cue from GG.....he calls them illegal.....me, undocumented msanthrope Jun 2015 #202

Captain Obvious comes to mind brush Jun 2015 #185

True but the saying is short for treestar Jun 2015 #162

Illegal entry into the country is ... illegal. earthside Jun 2015 #203

That's your opinion, everybody has one of those too. nt brush Jun 2015 #210

undocumented oldandhappy Jun 2015 #6

Undocumented is more polite. roody Jun 2015 #7

No...there were no laws therefore nothing was illegal.. pipoman Jun 2015 #11

the folks in the Caribbean had no laws when he arrived? CreekDog Jun 2015 #128

I doubt any stone age people had immigration laws. EX500rider Jun 2015 #179

They weren't stone age when Columbus arrived CreekDog Jun 2015 #181

So you think the Arawak/Taino/Carib tribes were in the Iron age or Bronze age? EX500rider Jun 2015 #183

You're just peddling stereotypes here CreekDog Jun 2015 #186

In other words they were in the Stone Age and had likely zero laws concerning immigration. EX500rider Jun 2015 #192

They probably had at least a vague guideline about not killing and enslaving everyone Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #194

Certainly.. EX500rider Jun 2015 #195

I think you mentioned sometime ago that you worked in some sort of legal profession CreekDog Jun 2015 #131

Native americans had laws. They just were disregarded by Europeans: freshwest Jun 2015 #207

Yeah, bottom line.. pipoman Jun 2015 #212

nice impression of Archie Bunker CreekDog Jun 2015 #209

Maybe you can link to the text of the 1492 immigration laws? pipoman Jun 2015 #213

Yeah, thats what I thought...just talkin' shit...maybe some idiotic pm's might help? pipoman Jul 2015 #217

Ah, then you admit that you were just talking sh*t CreekDog Jul 2015 #219

personally Kali Jun 2015 #8

Undocumented. Daemonaquila Jun 2015 #9

Undocumented people. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #12

I call them desperate for a better life....I have pondered pipoman Jun 2015 #13

+1. Hoyt Jun 2015 #23

Thank you. People don't seem to understand azmom Jun 2015 #74

Immigrants riderinthestorm Jun 2015 #14

That's what I use. kentauros Jun 2015 #37

Are you saying that any person who can make it here should have the right to come? brooklynite Jun 2015 #71

And where did they come from? kentauros Jun 2015 #84

Undocumented. Anyone who knows what an H2-B visa is knows and understands Xipe Totec Jun 2015 #17

+ 1 azmom Jun 2015 #77

We need to have better slang describing the 'slave masters' that hire them and 'guest workers' cascadiance Jun 2015 #153

Legally they're called undocumented aliens. herding cats Jun 2015 #18

Undocumented is more PC Renew Deal Jun 2015 #19

Undocumented. No human being is illegal Their actions may be but their existence is not. Luminous Animal Jun 2015 #22

Neither. I use "illegal aliens". lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #24

yep 840high Jun 2015 #29

Doesn't sound like a Bernie fan at all RandiFan1290 Jun 2015 #40

That is not Bernie like at all. azmom Jun 2015 #78

Because immigrants don't have hearts for their family members? merrily Jun 2015 #31

Immigrants bring their families. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #54

Absolutely not true, nt COLGATE4 Jun 2015 #58

By definition, immigrants to the US are permanent residents here. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #65

Only those who are documented. Or are you saying that COLGATE4 Jun 2015 #66

Read this link. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #70

OK. I read the whole thing. So what? COLGATE4 Jun 2015 #73

You asked what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #79

I like you. Lumber_jeff. Thank you for defending my azmom Jun 2015 #83

Thanks lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #85

I wasn't clear. I was thanking you for being an ally. azmom Jun 2015 #89

his initial response shows how charitable you are CreekDog Jun 2015 #137

you responded by posting Mexico's immigration laws? CreekDog Jun 2015 #136

he's not defending them CreekDog Jun 2015 #135

Absolutely false. Immigrants from all countries were unable to bring their families, be it merrily Jun 2015 #68

Thank you. Ms. Toad Jun 2015 #124

wow DonCoquixote Jun 2015 #116

you making stuff up again? CreekDog Jun 2015 #134

Completely untrue metalbot Jun 2015 #163

Do you understand that many (if not a majority) of COLGATE4 Jun 2015 #56

So the Chinese, Indian, and Filipino "immigrants" aren't really immigrants either, right? Gormy Cuss Jun 2015 #59

Are they permanent residents? lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #69

Yes, many of the Mexican immigrants are permanent residents Gormy Cuss Jun 2015 #87

Subject to deportation = permanent resident? lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #98

Mexicans comprise more than one quarter (~28%) of all immigrants. Gormy Cuss Jun 2015 #111

This thread is about illegal foreign workers. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #118

You focused on Mexicans in the upthread post Gormy Cuss Jun 2015 #139

66,000 work visas were issued to Mexican citizens last year. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #151

And half of those undocumented workers aren't from Mexico Gormy Cuss Jun 2015 #155

No, 6 million represents half of the 12 million unauthorized population. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #159

I was responding to your last line Gormy Cuss Jun 2015 #177

many of the undocumented coming from Mexico aren't even Mexican CreekDog Jun 2015 #193

I hope you have asbestos underwear? 4Q2u2 Jun 2015 #76

I get mail. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #80

of course you use that term CreekDog Jun 2015 #100

Other abilities aside, you demonstrably have a good memory. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #103

Have you considered that when you say things for effect, they tend to be memorable? CreekDog Jun 2015 #120

If you found it a slur, it says more about you than me. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #125

My wife is a legal immigrant from the Philippines and we still send money to her family there pampango Jun 2015 #109

Pew built an interactive tool to show remittances. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #113

so now you're saying that all "temporary foreign workers" are (your term) "illegal aliens"? CreekDog Jun 2015 #140

Writing may be creative. Reading should not be. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #141

Yes, your posts about laws and immigrants are "creative writing" CreekDog Jun 2015 #143

Those of us who are foreigners in Korea are referred to as aliens as well davidpdx Jun 2015 #199

Undocumented lunamagica Jun 2015 #25

You could believe Reply 24? merrily Jun 2015 #32

host of DU's men's rights group, just sayin' nt geek tragedy Jun 2015 #46

There's no such thing as a "DU men's rights group". lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #63

where does the phrase "illegal alien" appear? nt geek tragedy Jun 2015 #64

Really? lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #72

ah: geek tragedy Jun 2015 #82

I avoid euphemisms. Especially meaningless (undocumented) and/or misleading (immigrant) ones. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #99

a term provided by the IRS is a euphemism? nt geek tragedy Jun 2015 #101

That's why the IRS put it "in quotes". lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #106

so your choice reflects nothing more than a strict adherence to the text of geek tragedy Jun 2015 #129

Dictionaries and the law aren't enough? n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #161

So, "illegal aliens" is the correct term, and terms like "undocumented geek tragedy Jun 2015 #164

Not at all. It's also "pro cheap labor" nonsense. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #165

Hmmmm. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #169

Which crowd whines? lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #174

American Labor wants an end to all immigration? geek tragedy Jun 2015 #175

You DO USE euphemisms. You asked me if I had a learning disability euphemistically CreekDog Jun 2015 #107

Here's a link to the US code. The entire body of law in the US. How many hits for "undocumented"? lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #110

do you use the term "negro"? what about "crippled"? CreekDog Jun 2015 #112

Now you're calling me a racist? n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #115

Don't try to play a game with me, you brought up the US Code to justify using "illegal alien" CreekDog Jun 2015 #122

I'm not calling you racist, but what does this post mean? CreekDog Jun 2015 #144

In fairness, this was before I learned the purpose of your polls. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #152

I can't be applying my poll to this because I don't even remember how you answered CreekDog Jun 2015 #168

I have no control over what you "wonder". lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #172

Sure you do. I wouldn't wonder about that if you didn't post it. CreekDog Jun 2015 #191

Verdad? WTF azmom Jun 2015 #90

Most fall under "undocumented innocents" in my book Exultant Democracy Jun 2015 #26

Oh gud gawd. Iggo Jun 2015 #27

Undocumented immigrants MrBig Jun 2015 #28

Undocumented immigrants merrily Jun 2015 #30

Undocumented. I'm involved with a group that tries to advise these workers on their rights and Cleita Jun 2015 #33

Where I live, I call them my neighbors...nt GReedDiamond Jun 2015 #34

I call them my families. roody Jun 2015 #35

Illegal immigrants. "Undocumented" is a deliberate attempt at obfuscation. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2015 #36

This group also has not JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #39

Do you know any as friends or have family members who are? CreekDog Jun 2015 #142

Your profile says that you're from England, and that you're in England CreekDog Jun 2015 #211

Tough one JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #38

When I have to teach about this subject, I use undocumented migrants... a la izquierda Jun 2015 #41

"Illegal immigrant" is misleading Recursion Jun 2015 #43

I don't care about the grammar of "illegal immigrant." Vattel Jun 2015 #44

Lots of things are deeply offensive. Igel Jun 2015 #50

I use both... but... Adrahil Jun 2015 #47

"illegal immigrants" rock Jun 2015 #48

Actually, you got me to thinking rock Jun 2015 #57

Undocumented or unauthorized MineralMan Jun 2015 #51

One is true, other not always true HassleCat Jun 2015 #53

I call them people, or neighbors. hunter Jun 2015 #55

"Illegal immigrants" or "cheap labor for the 1%". nt Romulox Jun 2015 #60

I say undocumented IVoteDFL Jun 2015 #62

I live in L.A. and call the people who call imigrants names olddots Jun 2015 #67

How about we find out what their names are and use their names? yellowcanine Jun 2015 #75

I hope you realize dumbcat Jun 2015 #81

My goodness. If you can't defend your own opinions, or you just want to be part of a clique... hunter Jun 2015 #92

Many people wish to be part of a clique dumbcat Jun 2015 #93

So what do you think? hunter Jun 2015 #173

I think dumbcat Jun 2015 #182

I have many "unapproved" opinions here, and I defend them with great vigor. hunter Jun 2015 #200

Sometimes there are wrong (no quotes) answers. Gormy Cuss Jun 2015 #94

Exactly the point I was trying to make dumbcat Jun 2015 #154

You're welcome. Posters should understand that right wing nonsense doesn't belong here. n/t Gormy Cuss Jun 2015 #157

Some are economic refugees. Kalidurga Jun 2015 #86

So many great responses. Thanks for your thoughts! Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #88

Is there a commonly accepted LEGAL term? And if there is... cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #91

Yes there is, and there are a variety of reasons for the quibbling. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #95

Like I said, I think all the white, uninvited immigrants are people first. randys1 Jun 2015 #130

I think if people referred to men as you're referring what you call "illegal aliens" CreekDog Jun 2015 #171

White rights, states rights, white flights, etc. They all have the same attitude about all non randys1 Jun 2015 #176

Illegal immigrants Prism Jun 2015 #97

I am a legal immigrant and feel 840high Jun 2015 #117

That's my experience Prism Jun 2015 #119

We went through legal channels - took 840high Jun 2015 #188

She's an interesting woman Prism Jun 2015 #189

She sounds like the Mexcian family 840high Jun 2015 #190

you're asking us to disregard the polling data because of what you say your sister thinks? CreekDog Jun 2015 #146

I'm explaining my experience Prism Jun 2015 #156

I consider all white people in America first as people, then as uninvited occupants randys1 Jun 2015 #102

Doesn't really matter to me. Inkfreak Jun 2015 #108

"Undocumented Worker" dos not carry the negative stigma of "Illegal Immigrant." Agnosticsherbet Jun 2015 #114

As I don't call anyone doing five miles an hour over the posted speed limit an 'illegal driver' LanternWaste Jun 2015 #121

Do you call someone driving without a driver's license an "illegal driver" or "undocumented driver"? PoliticAverse Jun 2015 #132

No, that person would be referred to as an unlicensed driver. Luminous Animal Jun 2015 #166

Still looking to validate that bias, eh? Unlicensed driver would be accurate. LanternWaste Jun 2015 #178

This message was self-deleted by its author hughee99 Jun 2015 #180

I would call them by their name Facility Inspector Jun 2015 #126

'foreign nationals'. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #133

I say "Undocumented". DawgHouse Jun 2015 #138

I tend to call them "immigrants." Orrex Jun 2015 #145

Undocumented. No human is illegal. n/t Raine1967 Jun 2015 #147

What would you say? Raine1967 Jun 2015 #148

I try to use a term that doesn't make people think I hate them CreekDog Jun 2015 #149

I'm OK with illegal immigrant LynnTTT Jun 2015 #158

Undocumented. nt avebury Jun 2015 #167

Neither. I call them "people". Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2015 #170

Looks like nativist underground checked in today. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #187

I thought it would be closer to unanimous with maybe a couple dissenters Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #196

I'm so glad they weren't in charge when my peeps came here about 500 years ago. freshwest Jun 2015 #206

Undocumented... Sancho Jun 2015 #197

I agree Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #198

Aliens? Katashi_itto Jun 2015 #201

Refugees. okasha Jun 2015 #204

I call them people who contribute infinitely more than tens of millions of 'muricans Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2015 #208

Undocumented. ananda Jun 2015 #214

No I would just say "immigrants" and welcome them, find them some work. nt bemildred Jun 2015 #215

People aren't illegal. n/t Orsino Jun 2015 #216

. astral Jul 2015 #218

Undocumented. KamaAina Jul 2015 #220