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208. Part of the SCOTUS ruling said

Mon Jul 6, 2015, 12:13 AM

Jul 2015

"The right to marry is a fundamental right inherent in the liberty of the person, and under the Due Process and Equal Protection Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment couples of the same-sex may not be deprived of that right and that liberty. "
I didnt see any part in this decision where they said that they made the ruling because its an "inherent trait so if we go by the quoted part it could be argued by some consenting adults who want to enter into a polygamist marriage that its just as much a violation of their 14th amendment right as it was a violation of the 14th amendments rights for same sex couples.

Edit: And no, I would not be willing to wager money on scotus agreeing with that argument especially considering how close the vote was in this recent ruling were all it would have taken was one judge to switch their vote differently and we would have had an entirely different outcome.

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Equating or aligning polygamy with gay marriage is bigotry and has no place here.... [View all] joeybee12 Jul 2015 OP

Thank you. I agree. djean111 Jul 2015 #1

K&R demmiblue Jul 2015 #2

Should be grounds for PPR, IMO. It's a rightwing, bigoted argument, and it's a huge FAIL. nt MADem Jul 2015 #3

You may not see it PowerToThePeople Jul 2015 #8

Say what? Trying to "marry" the polygamy argument to the equality one is utter bigotry. MADem Jul 2015 #11

Their views on gays has been invalidated PowerToThePeople Jul 2015 #12

Good grief. There's no path from marriage equality to poly marriage, either. MADem Jul 2015 #20

I agree PowerToThePeople Jul 2015 #25

Polygamy is a patriarchial, sexist, often abusive construct that often MADem Jul 2015 #46

So has monogamy been for hundreds of years oberliner Jul 2015 #65

You're free to enter into any little relationships that float your boat, but the state does not have MADem Jul 2015 #75

Loaded statement oberliner Jul 2015 #85

I've never seen one--not even on reality TV--that wasn't just that. MADem Jul 2015 #89

Fair enough oberliner Jul 2015 #103

I would have to disagree. The nature of the relationship is inherently unequal. MADem Jul 2015 #180

Well, clearly since you've never "seen" one, they don't exist. eggplant Jul 2015 #112

Oh, I think if they DID exist, on an equal level with no exploitation, the media would MADem Jul 2015 #179

I think JackInGreen Jul 2015 #193

+1! Chan790 Jul 2015 #195

Oh yeah, sure!!! You and your wife and girlfriends, yes, of course.... MADem Jul 2015 #206

Used to that bit of witty hate too JackInGreen Jul 2015 #215

No hate--but a large dose of healthy skepticism, to be blunt. MADem Jul 2015 #216

I work graves JackInGreen Jul 2015 #217

Sorry, it sounds like a cool story though. nt MADem Jul 2015 #222

It's not a story JackInGreen Jul 2015 #224

Neither should any marriage for that matter Major Nikon Jul 2015 #244

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #295

Indeed. Further, no one is stopping anyone from engaging in those "arrangements" of which you speak. MADem Jul 2015 #305

except if you read the OP you would realize that polygamy is a choice, being gay isn't still_one Jul 2015 #29

Monogamy is just as much a choice. n/t PowerToThePeople Jul 2015 #30

Time to ignore... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #67

A lifestyle choice and an inherent trait are not the same thing. Rex Jul 2015 #71

We're never really JackInGreen Jul 2015 #194

Actually... Chan790 Jul 2015 #199

+1 JackInGreen Jul 2015 #218

Except the court case was about a persons 14th amendment rights not if gay is or isnt a choice. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #286

While the bible doesn't say much regarding Gays, it is all down with Poligamy. Dustlawyer Jul 2015 #19

It's also down with smiting, raping, crucifying, and cutting little children in two. MADem Jul 2015 #21

Please don't JackInGreen Jul 2015 #220

Agreed 100%. Here is a perfect example... cleanhippie Jul 2015 #43

WOOOOOOOOSH!!!!!! Supersonic right over the head. MADem Jul 2015 #44

Is that directed at me or the examples I provided? cleanhippie Jul 2015 #59

The examples of course--wasn't I clear? MADem Jul 2015 #64

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #72

A relative newcomer posted a similar argument with no repercussions. MADem Jul 2015 #82

This thread is full of more perfect examples skepticscott Jul 2015 #183

I agree this has gone beyond idiotic and into the realm of concern trolling. Rex Jul 2015 #81

I am getting the upsetting impression that it's by design, as well. MADem Jul 2015 #84

It was bad enough watching women get bashed here on DU3 and some still do. Rex Jul 2015 #93

Yep--under the bus with 'em! nt MADem Jul 2015 #95

Agreed skepticscott Jul 2015 #182

The Right Wing is arguing AGAINST polyamory and polygamous marriage Wella Jul 2015 #282

The right wing is arguing against EQUALITY, and using polygamy as if it is "equivalent." MADem Jul 2015 #290

They continue to argue against polymarriage. Wella Jul 2015 #291

No, they don't. Use your google and pay attention to "slippery slope" arguments. MADem Jul 2015 #292

Love is a behaviour? n/t PowerToThePeople Jul 2015 #4

Yes WestCoastLib Jul 2015 #164

Highly recommend..thank you. n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2015 #5

One is an agreement the other is servitude, a world of difference . orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #6

You are correct on all points. Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #7

"Not in uncharted waters" kiva Jul 2015 #9

K & R mountain grammy Jul 2015 #10

It's getting weird HassleCat Jul 2015 #13

May be "odd" to you...but no, that's it almost exactly. Chan790 Jul 2015 #200

Maybe it's time JackInGreen Jul 2015 #249

DU rec... SidDithers Jul 2015 #14

I disagree entirely bobbobbins01 Jul 2015 #15

I think it depends on the nature of the particular polygamous relationship. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #22

Yes, non-consensual polygamy is wrong bobbobbins01 Jul 2015 #31

I concur. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #145

Please do explain this passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #151

No, not my intent, but a fair question. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #210

but why exclude heterosexual marriage from that involvement? passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #212

In practice, I actually do just use the term "marriage." Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #261

The same is true about monogamous marriages, too. Exilednight Jul 2015 #39

Yup, exactly. bobbobbins01 Jul 2015 #77

Sadly true. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #146

If you think being homophobic is inclusive... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #70

How is supporting polygamy in any way homophobic? bobbobbins01 Jul 2015 #165

Supporting polygamy is not the homophobic part. Jamastiene Jul 2015 #196

I thought about the issue some more... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #16

Thank you for writing what I couldnt articulate DiverDave Jul 2015 #17

.. PowerToThePeople Jul 2015 #18

Yes, there has been some confusion. Quixote1818 Jul 2015 #24

Yeah, I was coming off as being hostile to the poly people... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #37

Um, no. eggplant Jul 2015 #108

Except polygamy has historically not been freely consentual and has significant mythology Jul 2015 #113

You are missing the point. eggplant Jul 2015 #120

can you provide an example of a progressive democratic polygynous society? Warren Stupidity Jul 2015 #156

no, and that is irrelevant. eggplant Jul 2015 #160

I can't provide any examples of predominantly gay societies. Warren Stupidity Jul 2015 #238

Can we get a chance JackInGreen Jul 2015 #236

There are plenty "in the light of day" and they are all repulsive. Warren Stupidity Jul 2015 #237

Thanks JackInGreen Jul 2015 #240

I'm sure that you don't mean to insult all of my friends. eggplant Jul 2015 #242

Um, yes... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #115

Ugh. eggplant Jul 2015 #126

Hoisted on your own petard: DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #131

You truly need to get the ban hammer for this post PowerToThePeople Jul 2015 #278

Read what you said again passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #272

I was not comparing gay people to poly people. That would be silly. eggplant Jul 2015 #279

but not for being poly...for being gay. passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #280

I'm sure that makes all the difference to them. eggplant Jul 2015 #281

Exactly. PowerToThePeople Jul 2015 #149

They're being quite the troll. eggplant Jul 2015 #163

Actually, polygamy was hurled in opposition Jamastiene Jul 2015 #188

The toaster has no choice? GeorgeGist Jul 2015 #141

You notice I referred to a toaster and not an animal. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #142

Consummating a union with a toaster would be an electrifying idea davidpdx Jul 2015 #189

I would hope they would unplug it first... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #197

Equating or aligning polygamy with gay marriage is bigotry and has no place here.... The CCC Jul 2015 #23

Willful ignorance deserves an ignore...nt joeybee12 Jul 2015 #74

Exactly treestar Jul 2015 #26

It is shocking when you see liberals behave like Conservatives 4now Jul 2015 #27

Absolutely. Polygamy is a choice. Being gay isn't, and that is why some of these threads that still_one Jul 2015 #28

Monogamy is a choice. n/t PowerToThePeople Jul 2015 #32

Yep. But monogamy isn't marriage. jeff47 Jul 2015 #62

Excellent critical thinking still_one Jul 2015 #109

But people JackInGreen Jul 2015 #250

Then they can make a different discrimination argument. jeff47 Jul 2015 #253

I'm not seeing most posters or OP JackInGreen Jul 2015 #257

And I'm seeing most posters claim the decision immediately requires poly marriage jeff47 Jul 2015 #259

So when would be the right JackInGreen Jul 2015 #262

Any time is the right place and time. jeff47 Jul 2015 #263

Absolutely. Polygamy is a choice. Being gay isn't, and that is why some of these threads that The CCC Jul 2015 #53

Because people don't live in a bubble where their actions don't affect others. kcr Jul 2015 #276

I agree. Tipperary Jul 2015 #33

You mean the argument that polygamy should be outlawed? n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #38

I am sorry. Is it not already against the law? Tipperary Jul 2015 #42

Yes, and conservatives certainly argue that should (continue) to be the case. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #47

Recommending, I appolgize if I offended anyone on DU, until I read this, I did not see it.. AuntPatsy Jul 2015 #34

I couldn't disagree more smiley Jul 2015 #35

Great points oberliner Jul 2015 #51

thank you smiley Jul 2015 #130

Pathetic... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #55

okay fine, resort to childish name calling. smiley Jul 2015 #128

I agree Marrah_G Jul 2015 #36

I think so too libodem Jul 2015 #40

I would never equate a biological trait with a choice. guillaumeb Jul 2015 #41

Then give an example. jeff47 Jul 2015 #83

Then give an example. The CCC Jul 2015 #119

Yet you didn't manage to give one. jeff47 Jul 2015 #124

I thought SCOTUS did change the law in several states. nt tjl148 Jul 2015 #152

Nope. The laws are still on the books. jeff47 Jul 2015 #168

Perhaps not an example, but some reasoning: guillaumeb Jul 2015 #166

If it were so easily done, don't you think it would have been done? jeff47 Jul 2015 #170

This message was self-deleted by its author guillaumeb Jul 2015 #176

The point is pontificating on theory does not create reality. jeff47 Jul 2015 #245

I missed your response to my statement about 50% of marriages ending in divorce. guillaumeb Jul 2015 #247

50% divorce rate a myth kcr Jul 2015 #274

40-50% divorce rate in the US as of this source: guillaumeb Jul 2015 #308

The 50% is a myth. Correct? kcr Jul 2015 #310

This message was self-deleted by its author guillaumeb Jul 2015 #311

Polygamists were not born that way. Faygo Kid Jul 2015 #45

Neither are monogamists oberliner Jul 2015 #49

The issue is legal marriage, not the practice of monogamy. pnwmom Jul 2015 #121

This is absolute BS oberliner Jul 2015 #48

We agreed again. Perhaps only possible away from the other group. guillaumeb Jul 2015 #54

Yeah I was going to post something similar in response to your post in this thread oberliner Jul 2015 #56

The same to you O. Nice when we can agree. guillaumeb Jul 2015 #58

Regrettably, we appear to be in the minority oberliner Jul 2015 #63

I have pretty much given up. DeadLetterOffice Jul 2015 #96

Your true colors have shown through... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #57

What do you mean? oberliner Jul 2015 #61

BS reorg Jul 2015 #91

Encouraging to see that oberliner Jul 2015 #100

Lmao looks like someone lost their alert privileges LittleBlue Jul 2015 #111

LOL Capt. Obvious Jul 2015 #241

Are you really not comprehending that the same-sex marriage case was about geek tragedy Jul 2015 #73

Of course oberliner Jul 2015 #79

That's the rightwing "slippery slope" argument--if geek tragedy Jul 2015 #88

Let's not let the right wing set the terms of the debate oberliner Jul 2015 #98

There is nothing rightwing about supporting geek tragedy Jul 2015 #122

Monogamy has been pretty terrible too oberliner Jul 2015 #154

Monogamy did not make all problems go away. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #159

That "slippery slope" argument never did make any sense. Chan790 Jul 2015 #203

Because time and again history shows that societies that allow polygamy fasttense Jul 2015 #97

Monogamy has had a similar history oberliner Jul 2015 #101

Polygamy can never be about equality. If it was, there would only be 1 wife and 1 husband fasttense Jul 2015 #129

Little girls have been pressured to marry rich old men under monogamy oberliner Jul 2015 #136

You fail to ever address the inherit inequality of polygamy fasttense Jul 2015 #148

You present only one model of polygamy oberliner Jul 2015 #150

The nature of humans to be possessive and jealous fasttense Jul 2015 #157

Fair points oberliner Jul 2015 #158

Agreed. mmonk Jul 2015 #50

+1000 smirkymonkey Jul 2015 #52

Nope. Not going for that bigotry claim. That word gets used excessively around here. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #60

Amazing... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #66

Thanks for posting that oberliner Jul 2015 #69

Yeah, I'm kind of disgusted with the number of people making this offensively stupid argument. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2015 #68

Exactly...although the good thing about all these idiotic joeybee12 Jul 2015 #76

Since bisexuality is often a characteristic of polyamorous people, the question arises, Kip Humphrey Jul 2015 #78

Denying polygamous people the right to marry is small-minded conservative bigotry LittleBlue Jul 2015 #80

Emabarssing that something so basic escapes you... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #86

Yet you can't explain why LittleBlue Jul 2015 #92

If polygamy is one man, multiple women, seems more like exploitation mmonk Jul 2015 #102

The principle is that any single adult, no matter what his race, gender, or orientation, pnwmom Jul 2015 #123

And before that standard, any single consenting adult could marry someone of the opposite sex LittleBlue Jul 2015 #134

You are free to engage in whatever relationships you want. pnwmom Jul 2015 #139

Gentle poyamorous families and their supporters need to back away from this right wing rat fuck. hunter Jul 2015 #87

Polygamy is based on making women subservient to men fasttense Jul 2015 #104

So was/is monogamy oberliner Jul 2015 #107

Actually not fasttense Jul 2015 #114

Actually yes oberliner Jul 2015 #155

I have an ancestor who was a mail order bride to Salt Lake City. hunter Jul 2015 #116

Beautifully said. Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #144

Thank you. Jamastiene Jul 2015 #198

+1 JackInGreen Jul 2015 #252

Thank you. we can do it Jul 2015 #90

It is bigotry. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #94

Next you will say that being Poly is a lifestyle. AngryAmish Jul 2015 #99

Enough with these piggy-backing polygamists!! nt 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #105

I remember when customerserviceguy Jul 2015 #304

Shouldn't the word be polyamory? backscatter712 Jul 2015 #106

^^THIS^^ n/t eridani Jul 2015 #175

+1 JackInGreen Jul 2015 #302

What about gay polygamy? Gay polygamists disagree with you. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #110

A dating site and a facebook page with a post from Feb 9th? Rex Jul 2015 #117

The issue has been around for awhile. The Advocate did a cover story on it in 2006. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #137

They also, if they want to be married, must choose a single partner to be legally married to. pnwmom Jul 2015 #125

Thank you. H2O Man Jul 2015 #118

They are separate issues, linked only by their involvement with "marriage." Maedhros Jul 2015 #127

Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #132

If in 2008 I were to tell you that some DUers would be equatiing polygamy and U4ikLefty Jul 2015 #133

to poly fans: find a dataset of well adjusted, adult, restorefreedom Jul 2015 #135

We'd love a chance JackInGreen Jul 2015 #246

agree that "non traditionals" are marginalized restorefreedom Jul 2015 #266

The GLBT community had to "come out of the closet" and fight for it riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #284

I'm not seeing a lot of coopting JackInGreen Jul 2015 #288

What?! These discussions are proof it's been hijacked riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #289

Wow, gee...you all get your same talking points from the same joeybee12 Jul 2015 #299

And welcome JackInGreen Jul 2015 #300

Actually, there are entire groups of them on FetLife. Chan790 Jul 2015 #318

Here's where I think you are completely wrong... The_Commonist Jul 2015 #138

You might want to rethink that sweetie... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #162

Oh, so now we're "Sweetie"ing, eh? The_Commonist Jul 2015 #167

Bigotry is bigotry, and I take that tone when confronted with it... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #169

My prejudices? The_Commonist Jul 2015 #171

^ This Tien1985 Jul 2015 #213

K&R Betty Karlson Jul 2015 #140

That's pretty hard to support logically. DirkGently Jul 2015 #143

And when marriage between two races was considered legal in the 1950's... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #161

No. Not the "next logical step." DirkGently Jul 2015 #172

Pathetic... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #173

Doors do open by degrees. DirkGently Jul 2015 #174

It's not hard at all. Being polygamous isn't a biological trait, unlike being gay. pnwmom Jul 2015 #211

No. The right to marry is not based on "biological traits." DirkGently Jul 2015 #243

Of course -- the right to marry is NOT based on biological traits. It would be discrimination if it were. pnwmom Jul 2015 #258

I entirely agree - thanks. TubbersUK Jul 2015 #147

very well put nt arely staircase Jul 2015 #153

As long as no one is hurting anyone, I don't give a flying fuck what they do. Fearless Jul 2015 #177

CORRECT Skittles Jul 2015 #178

Who the hell wants TWO mother-in-laws? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #181

If we could JackInGreen Jul 2015 #248

I disagree Calista241 Jul 2015 #184

Wrong... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #187

So because i disagree with you i'm somehow now a Freeper. Calista241 Jul 2015 #207

Not at all what I said...not even close... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #221

The thing that gets me is that Jamastiene Jul 2015 #185

It's pretty obvious, too...where were all the pro-polygamy posts joeybee12 Jul 2015 #186

Exactly. Jamastiene Jul 2015 #192

Sunrise at the Kremlin apparently... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #234

Nailed it. Behind the Aegis Jul 2015 #209

"Just go there" JackInGreen Jul 2015 #230

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #190

I totally agree davidpdx Jul 2015 #191

Yeah. Separate issue. To equate polygamy with gay marriage is not comparing apples to apples. PatrickforO Jul 2015 #201

Except you and others are are forgetting that this case was really cstanleytech Jul 2015 #268

I never expected to see this level of hate here at DU Lordquinton Jul 2015 #202

+1000 Wella Jul 2015 #204

Preach it right out loud JackInGreen Jul 2015 #219

Thanks for posting...I like to know who to ignore...nt joeybee12 Jul 2015 #225

Well you can start with the guy talking about marrying toasters Lordquinton Jul 2015 #264

I didn't see anyone equating them goldent Jul 2015 #205

Thanks for posting...I like to know who to ignore...nt joeybee12 Jul 2015 #226

Well, when you post opinions, you take the risk of getting opinions posted back goldent Jul 2015 #235

Part of the SCOTUS ruling said cstanleytech Jul 2015 #208

Thanks for posting...I like to know who to ignore...nt joeybee12 Jul 2015 #227

Ahh, my apologies for hurting your tender little feelings with facts, heres a hug *hug* cstanleytech Jul 2015 #265

Nothing factual about what you posted... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #267

Check post #268 then. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #269

Inherent trait? Not so fast. Android3.14 Jul 2015 #214

Thanks for posting...I like to know who to ignore...nt joeybee12 Jul 2015 #228

In the next poll on polygamy... Newxtor Jul 2015 #223

Thanks for posting...I like to know who to ignore...nt joeybee12 Jul 2015 #229

Realistically, as I've said a number of times on DU and other sites ... 'I'm born that way ...' brett_jv Jul 2015 #231

And you made this case prior to SCOTUS, right? joeybee12 Jul 2015 #232

Yes. "Biology" is a right wing argument. DirkGently Jul 2015 #251

Conserva-Dems flipping out. Katashi_itto Jul 2015 #233

! Warren Stupidity Jul 2015 #239

I never knew polygamists were the majority now... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #256

Thanks for posting this get the red out Jul 2015 #254

Actually, I'd be surprised if there weren't... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #255

You are spot on get the red out Jul 2015 #260

Fine, please quote the part of the 14th amendment that says cstanleytech Jul 2015 #270

I really don't think you have any right (or basis) to accuse me of being a paid disrupter. eggplant Jul 2015 #283

Trust me you arent the only they have accused of that and eventually they will lose it and say that cstanleytech Jul 2015 #285

And yet I didn't mention you specifically and you chime right in joeybee12 Jul 2015 #293

Someone listens to Alex Jones to much. Katashi_itto Jul 2015 #287

Didn't you know JackInGreen Jul 2015 #303

Shhhhh! They'll be on to us. eggplant Jul 2015 #307

Polygamy is another word for Pimp d_legendary1 Jul 2015 #271

This gets a rec from me. kcr Jul 2015 #273

Why is it so hard to draw the line at adult, informed, consent? backscatter712 Jul 2015 #275

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #298

Blatant homophobia? backscatter712 Jul 2015 #309

You can count them on one hand tomm2thumbs Jul 2015 #314

Finally. eggplant Jul 2015 #315

Amen! Sparhawk60 Jul 2015 #301

The haters on this thread can't seem to accept the idea eggplant Jul 2015 #313

some people may raise the issue motivated by an agenda HFRN Jul 2015 #277

Same tired talking points I'm seeing... joeybee12 Jul 2015 #296

good example of 'punitive classifications' HFRN Jul 2015 #306

Don't bother and congrats ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2015 #312

What about equating polyamory with gay marriage? n/t eridani Jul 2015 #294

Give it a rest...your puerile tempts at making this a civil joeybee12 Jul 2015 #297

Because nothing oppresses women like having more than one husband n/t eridani Jul 2015 #316

And Joey is off on summer vacation Capt. Obvious Jul 2015 #317