Again, I will ask you, how is Americans having jobs silly in your book? (Reply #65)

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Response to chickypea (Reply #64)

Wed May 16, 2012, 10:18 PM

Zalatix (8,994 posts)

65. Again, I will ask you, how is Americans having jobs silly in your book?

In addition, your evasive response was totally wrong.

1) Americans have no problems picking vegetables, mowing grass, packing frozen chicken, or making bouquets, IF THEY ARE PAID A LIVING WAGE.

2) Undocumented workers are hired specifically because they will tolerate shit for pay and working conditions that are often lethal.

3) Before you come back with another ignorant argument, YOU do some research. In fact, I will help you. Read and be educated about the working conditions imposed upon immigrant workers:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/06/hormel-spam-pig-brains-disease
http://www.fwjustice.org/workplace-safety/heat-stress
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91240378

4) And you haven't even addressed the MANUFACTURING jobs that we have lost, which far outnumber the farming jobs.

Once again... how is Americans having jobs silly in your book?

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80 replies	Author	Time	Post
Whoever believes "American jobs for Americans" is racist should give up their jobs now [View all]	Zalatix	May 2012	OP
How do you know these people have jobs in the first place?	Fumesucker	May 2012	#1
Holy provincial oversimplification Batman.	redgreenandblue	May 2012	#2
Unfortunately, there's a deep racist, nativist vein running through America that this taps into.	baldguy	May 2012	#3
How dare the rest of the world have jobs. All your base are belong to us!	leveymg	May 2012	#4
Exactly. So why don't you give up your job and hire one of them in your place?	Zalatix	May 2012	#5
If one of them could do it as well, and cheaper, they would already have it.	leveymg	May 2012	#7
So if an American worker is in a vulnerable job then they can just suck it, right?	Zalatix	May 2012	#9
No, I'm not saying that. But, I can't safely assume that I "own" my job.	leveymg	May 2012	#17
You kinda are saying that. You show absolutely no pity for America's working class.	Zalatix	May 2012	#19
I am very much part of America's working class. Knowledge industry "no-collar" 1099 Proletariat,	leveymg	May 2012	#22
Your claim is that you have a good reason to undermine American workers. The rebuttal is	Romulox	May 2012	#23
I didn't make any such claim. You mischaracterized my statement. Read it again.	leveymg	May 2012	#26
Nonsense. You don't get to dictate how your attack on workers is received. You're transparent. nt	Romulox	May 2012	#28
Once again: You have no sympathy for America's working class. Your arguments work to their detriment	Zalatix	May 2012	#36
You don't seem to grasp the difference between Trade in Services and Trade in Goods,	leveymg	May 2012	#44
Yup, you still don't understand much of this at all. You didn't even address most of my points.	Zalatix	May 2012	#45
I don't think "we're" in a war at all, if by we you mean the US as a government + its corporations.	HiPointDem	May 2012	#78
Sigh...	Zalatix	May 2012	#79
sigh. it ain't that simple. there is collusion between the us & china because the arrangement	HiPointDem	May 2012	#80
TL;DR version: But LEVEYMG works in the service industry. So these jobs are important! nt	Romulox	May 2012	#47
^ Correct ^ Why were America's basic jobs offshored ?	Mimosa	May 2012	#58
Then the poor things should quit buying stuff made elsewhere because it is cheaper	treestar	May 2012	#25
As always, you are a font of both compassion and reason. nt	Romulox	May 2012	#27
Well I am a font of not just blaming others for our own acts	treestar	May 2012	#31
What's this "us" stuff? I'm blaming you for promoting a rightwing economics. nt	Romulox	May 2012	#34
Ah yes, blame American workers. The US Chamber of Commerce loves that argument.	Zalatix	May 2012	#35
That just means you're in a field where it doesn't happen. Head in sand.	Honeycombe8	May 2012	#74
It's a Corporatist meme used to divide the Cultural Left from the Economic Left	Odin2005	May 2012	#6
Ding, ding, ding!!	hifiguy	May 2012	#8
Thanks!	Odin2005	May 2012	#12
You have hit it dead on center, Odin.	TheKentuckian	May 2012	#10
Headshot!!!	Zalatix	May 2012	#11
+1	HiPointDem	May 2012	#13
And sadly, some DUers have fallen for it over the years.	HughBeaumont	May 2012	#14
Shameful.	Mimosa	May 2012	#60
I think that's one way to look at it, but not the only way	RZM	May 2012	#18
Question: Have you ever left the country?	redgreenandblue	May 2012	#20
I wish I had the money to travel overseas.	Odin2005	May 2012	#30
...	redgreenandblue	May 2012	#51
Wait, China has tariffs and currency manipulation but you don't call them isolationist	Zalatix	May 2012	#69
Reread my post. I did not mention trade tariffs anywhere.	redgreenandblue	May 2012	#76
Sorry about getting on you about tariffs	Zalatix	May 2012	#77
Americans would need jobs in order to do that. Said jobs moved overseas. Any further questions?	Zalatix	May 2012	#46
Spot on.	99Forever	May 2012	#29
Is it the Economic Left if "opposition to Globalist Corporatism" is more a right-wing phenomenon?	pampango	May 2012	#32
You're like a corporatist Nero, fiddling while the EU burns...	Romulox	May 2012	#33
You've been pushing that crap argument forever now. It is wrong and outdated.	Zalatix	May 2012	#38
Marine Le Pen wears pants. Pampango wears pants. Draw your own conclusion!!!! nt	Romulox	May 2012	#49
Ayn Rand supported abortion rights. Ergo we are all Ayn Rand!	Zalatix	May 2012	#54
Besides, pampango's bizarre contention that laissez-faire economics are not of the HARD RIGHT	Romulox	May 2012	#50
I wonder what Pampango has to say now that his argument has been destroyed. AGAIN.	Zalatix	May 2012	#55
Nothing, apparently, because he hasn't replied after his hit-and-run.	Odin2005	May 2012	#63
Pampango is a good example of the "cultural left" that I'm talking about.	Odin2005	May 2012	#62
He's not cultural left; he's a free trader.	Zalatix	May 2012	#66
There's nothing "left" about pampango--she spouts Rightwing economics here, and nothing else.	Romulox	May 2012	#75
+1	Poll_Blind	May 2012	#41
It isn't corporatists who accuse me of being a racist for believing that americans should have jobs.	lumberjack_jeff	May 2012	#59
+1!	uponit7771	May 2012	#61
love it or leave it	frylock	May 2012	#15
I support two big issues: 1) Abortion rights; 2) race-to-the-bottom "free trade" (prison labor AOK!)	Romulox	May 2012	#16
I don't think it's quite that simple...	cynatnite	May 2012	#21
How do you assign a nationality to a job?	treestar	May 2012	#24
Simple. If it's sold here, it must be made here.	Zalatix	May 2012	#37
It is comprehensible, but impractical	treestar	May 2012	#52
Impractical to you, maybe.	Zalatix	May 2012	#53
Gawd, it's not 'racist,' it's 'chauvinist' or 'nationalist'. The way	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#39
It's done intentionally, to shame American workers into letting globalism fleece them out of jobs.	Zalatix	May 2012	#40
It's not an honest mistake. It's a concerted effort by the Right to appropriate the language of the	Romulox	May 2012	#48
Yes, because those pesky foreigners working in sweat shops are the reason for unemployment.	Puregonzo1188	May 2012	#42
Workers of the World UNITE!	Tierra_y_Libertad	May 2012	#43
It Isn't Racist...	chickypea	May 2012	#56
Americans having jobs is silly? How so?	Zalatix	May 2012	#57
Who Are thes Big Bad People Stealing America's Jobs?	chickypea	May 2012	#64
Again, I will ask you, how is Americans having jobs silly in your book?	Zalatix	May 2012	#65
Change American Habits, Jobs will Follow	chickypea	May 2012	#70
You're wrong again. American habits aren't the problem, and you are lying about American students.	Zalatix	May 2012	#71
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YES, LYING. Mass defamation. Without any supporting facts, no less.	Zalatix	May 2012	#73
Some people have a real problem with the idea that a government should act in the interests of...	JVS	May 2012	#67
Bad global citizen! I revoke your Global ID Card!	Zalatix	May 2012	#68

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