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Ghost in the Machine

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151. You don't have to "be done with this thread", you make some valid points with reasoned debate..

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 04:24 PM

Jul 2015

I, personally, just see both acts as theft of another persons belongings. If I would have caught someone stealing my flag, I probably would have broken their hand or arm, just so they would think about things twice before they tried to steal something again. Pedophiles, thieves, and liars are at the top of my shit list. If you're hungry, I'll give you the food off of my plate. If you're cold, I'll give you the shirt off of my back.... but if you STEAL it from me, and I catch you, I'd just as soon rip your arm off and beat you half to death with your own arm.

I have lived in the South all my life, except for a short time in Michigan, and I have NEVER owned a "rebel flag". As someone here once said, in fact it was someone that I hardly ever agree with but did on this... "If you want to fly the Confederate Flag, fly the LAST ONE that they did... the WHITE FLAG OF SURRENDER!" It will probably shock the hell out of him, but to Bolo Boffin!

I live in East Tennessee. Most people don't know it, but East Tennessee broke off with the rest of the State and fought FOR the UNION ARMY. That's part of the reason that the University of Tennessee, Knoxville Campus, was allowed to keep their Charter after the war. The train depot still stands behind the University to this day.

As far as I am concerned, I am just a mutt! When people ask what I am, I just say "American". My Paternal Grandmother was of Dutch/English Descent, my Paternal Grandfather was Scots-Irish. My Maternal Grandfather was of German Descent, and my Maternal Grandmother was Full Blood Cherokee. See? I'm just a mutt, lol!

Peace,

Ghost

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Man removes Confederate flag off the back of truck during traffic [View all] KamaAina Jul 2015 OP

Awesome. I ran into one at 4th celebration with thousands of people, I apologized to randys1 Jul 2015 #1

Wish the video was longer. longship Jul 2015 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2015 #3

there are any number of things that could have gone wrong here HFRN Jul 2015 #4

He removed something from someone else's property DavidDvorkin Jul 2015 #5

And suppose someone removed a burning cross from the neighbor's yard? That not alright either? lonestarnot Jul 2015 #6

It would not be all right if the cross belonged to the neighbor DavidDvorkin Jul 2015 #7

not the same thing maser Jul 2015 #8

Probably not Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #27

Are you equating a symbol of bigotry with a symbol of tolerance? uppityperson Jul 2015 #133

No, what they are saying is that, to be consistent, you cannot argue that... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #137

I'd like to hear from maser, what they meant. Thank you for telling me what you think they meant uppityperson Jul 2015 #142

So you advocate for theft, whidh is what happened. n/t oneshooter Jul 2015 #9

And how do you know that someone didn't put it on the truck at a previous stop in the same fashion lonestarnot Jul 2015 #41

As someone who has been a trucker for almost 30 years....(Edited) A HERETIC I AM Jul 2015 #91

It may not have been her trailer. ladyVet Jul 2015 #124

It's their trailer alright. A HERETIC I AM Jul 2015 #125

A burning cross prevents a danger Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #30

Agreed... Spatened Jul 2015 #19

civil disobedience is a good thing RichGirl Jul 2015 #24

This is not civil disobedience DavidDvorkin Jul 2015 #32

What David said. I understand the young mans actions but we all have to deal with others bullshit... BlueJazz Jul 2015 #85

This message was self-deleted by its author Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #89

This is not the same thing awoke_in_2003 Jul 2015 #117

Horrors! hunter Jul 2015 #43

Offensive speech requires even more careful protection than inoffensive speech. DavidDvorkin Jul 2015 #44

Both the flag, and the removel of it, I'd consider "Free Speech." hunter Jul 2015 #49

If someone can squelch your free speech, then it isn't really free DavidDvorkin Jul 2015 #50

Oh for fucks sake. hunter Jul 2015 #61

Perhaps property law fanatics might have been satisfied Warpy Jul 2015 #80

ask a trucker DustyJoe Jul 2015 #58

Um... really? hunter Jul 2015 #66

If I remove something from your property awoke_in_2003 Jul 2015 #118

Usually the right wing nuts quickly escalate to actual vandalism. hunter Jul 2015 #119

Something tells me it wasn't right wing nuts that took your stuff or shot your car Telcontar Jul 2015 #147

This is the same argument I saw last week... Spatened Jul 2015 #144

Why? uppityperson Jul 2015 #134

Because all speech has the potential to be offensive to someone, and we cannot allow... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #138

Yes! We must protect property at all costs! Cal Carpenter Jul 2015 #45

No. Here's to the right to express yourself without fear of vandalism. DavidDvorkin Jul 2015 #51

The horror... the horror. LanternWaste Jul 2015 #53

Given the tone of the article, clearly we are expected to cheer the action DavidDvorkin Jul 2015 #60

This message was self-deleted by its author tenderfoot Jul 2015 #62

I don't see why it's now ok to steal other peoples property Lulu Belle Jul 2015 #10

Screw the traitors and their DiverDave Jul 2015 #11

You are 100% wrong on this. But I assume you know that already. nt Logical Jul 2015 #15

WRONG leftynyc Jul 2015 #42

I'm with you. The false equivalency between this and a GLBT flag Cal Carpenter Jul 2015 #52

The difference between what the flags represent is irrelevant to whether TeddyR Jul 2015 #75

Both represent an act of political speech mythology Jul 2015 #94

I agree taking the flag off was probably wrong on the face of it hollowdweller Jul 2015 #71

DUers cheer the strangest things. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #12

Or if the flag was a gay pride flag? Texasgal Jul 2015 #13

Then, we'd be calling for his head, and people would be trying to identify him from the video. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #14

I agree, the old disagee with him but he has a right to prove he is a racist. nt Logical Jul 2015 #16

Remember the post the other day about how we "de-nazified" Germany that asked why we couldn't do it cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #18

Good points! nt Logical Jul 2015 #20

I agree and you won't see that yuiyoshida Jul 2015 #23

^THIS^ cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #25

someone once said that the eagle on yuiyoshida Jul 2015 #28

LOL no I don't think it's snooty. Its head is tilted a little, and its beak is in the air. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #35

California Pride! yuiyoshida Jul 2015 #36

Galveston Texas snooper2 Jul 2015 #48

Fort Myers, FL A HERETIC I AM Jul 2015 #76

...and this one: TeeYiYi Jul 2015 #31

Abso-friggen-lutely! yuiyoshida Jul 2015 #33

Then the racists get to meet in secret and hide their hate flags in the bunkers. TeamPooka Jul 2015 #121

Duers also passive-aggressively defend the strangest things. LanternWaste Jul 2015 #55

this thread has been very telling olddots Jul 2015 #17

It would have been better if the video showed the company csziggy Jul 2015 #21

It did Lulu Belle Jul 2015 #22

You're right, though it's only visible at the very beginning csziggy Jul 2015 #26

Tribe Transportation???? luvspeas Jul 2015 #87

I'll bet she doesn't know. n/t A HERETIC I AM Jul 2015 #103

They knew. They took down my post. n/t luvspeas Jul 2015 #107

Sure. Now. A HERETIC I AM Jul 2015 #108

Perhaps, as has been suggested, the driver put it there himself KamaAina Jul 2015 #128

Excellent. Lucky he wasn't shot though, since most racists mix gun love with their hatred. Hoyt Jul 2015 #29

That's good way to get yourself in a world of hurt. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #34

lol. truck drivers never know what is going on back there Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 #37

Really? Better not try to test that theory. Ikonoklast Jul 2015 #152

Fuck him Reter Jul 2015 #38

Are you serious? Cal Carpenter Jul 2015 #47

Yes, yes, yes, no, you are, no, doubt it, depends, so what Telcontar Jul 2015 #148

I agree. The asshole who put that sticker on the truck probably deserves to lose his job... hunter Jul 2015 #90

Uh, I think you need a time out. Darb Jul 2015 #113

Like everything else in life, it's subjective The2ndWheel Jul 2015 #39

About a month before the Iraq invasion, I saw a young man do the same thing to a car's anti-war Marr Jul 2015 #40

Threads like this are very telling Cal Carpenter Jul 2015 #46

Telling indeed. You either support the 1st amendment, or you don't. Throd Jul 2015 #56

Unless that guy works for the govt Cal Carpenter Jul 2015 #57

How about free speech in principle then? Spatened Jul 2015 #145

Exactly. DavidDvorkin Jul 2015 #63

"Hooray for these small acts of disobedience because they are inspiring and necessary." Ghost in the Machine Jul 2015 #129

No. That is qualitatively different Cal Carpenter Jul 2015 #149

You don't have to "be done with this thread", you make some valid points with reasoned debate.. Ghost in the Machine Jul 2015 #151

This is wrong on principle. Had no right to remove it, that is oppression on point Jul 2015 #54

Oppression: Cal Carpenter Jul 2015 #68

Both a and b true in this case. No right to impose his theft on another on point Jul 2015 #70

"Oppression" is not the word I would use. Darb Jul 2015 #114

people would do the same thing with the nazi flag. Sunlei Jul 2015 #59

And it would be just as wrong in that case. DavidDvorkin Jul 2015 #64

It figures that all the conservatives on DU are outraged by this. tenderfoot Jul 2015 #65

you don't need to be conservative Man from Pickens Jul 2015 #69

I've been assaulted for my DU sticker.... tenderfoot Jul 2015 #72

But you would be OK with someone removing your DU sticker? Throd Jul 2015 #73

They did it with a exacto blade when I was away - their cowardice was duly noted. tenderfoot Jul 2015 #74

I don't get the sense that anyone is defending the flag TeddyR Jul 2015 #77

Freedom of speech has consenquences... tenderfoot Jul 2015 #79

Why would you make such a leap in logic? Throd Jul 2015 #81

I think you're just pissed that the thief was black. tenderfoot Jul 2015 #84

Thinking doesn't seem to be in your wheelhouse. Throd Jul 2015 #86

I'm glad that man had the gumption to remove that Racist Sanitary Napkin from back of that truck. tenderfoot Jul 2015 #92

"Racist Sanitary Napkin" FTW! KamaAina Jul 2015 #100

The first amendment has NOTHING to do with this Cal Carpenter Jul 2015 #111

That isn't how the law works. Throd Jul 2015 #115

So, are you talking about the first amendment, or some other law? Cal Carpenter Jul 2015 #116

I have a friend who is a truck owner Lulu Belle Jul 2015 #112

Very good point Lulu davidpdx Jul 2015 #150

Near me there is a guy with a rebel flag on a flagpole hollowdweller Jul 2015 #67

To each their own wendylaroux Jul 2015 #78

That's pretty awesome... luvspeas Jul 2015 #82

I get it. Some here are upset that it's a black guy removing the flag from the truck. tenderfoot Jul 2015 #83

Don't be silly DavidDvorkin Jul 2015 #88

Bollocks! tenderfoot Jul 2015 #95

So I'm a racist? DavidDvorkin Jul 2015 #101

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #102

Goodbye. DavidDvorkin Jul 2015 #104

Unless it was a government building, that is bullshit. This is someone else's personal still_one Jul 2015 #93

This thread tho. Brickbat Jul 2015 #96

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #97

i am very interested to know which DUers in this thread you are referring to GusBob Jul 2015 #99

I think the poster was trying to make a joke - edgineered Jul 2015 #105

I suspect when the trucker hung that flag it was meant as a dare to guys like the one in the video. Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2015 #98

like I said before this thread is very telling olddots Jul 2015 #106

We get it. You are only for free speech when you agree with it. Throd Jul 2015 #109

You seem to be supporting only 1 person's free speech while saying the other doesn't have the right uppityperson Jul 2015 #135

Grabbing a decal/flag off someone else's vehicle is NOT free speech, its either... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #139

No, the second person can fly whatever flag they choose. X_Digger Jul 2015 #159

Better a libertarian than a fascist. name not needed Jul 2015 #120

Not OK. Despite good intentions, the truck and the signage on the truck are private property. Raster Jul 2015 #110

Shame on him, and on the idiots cheering him on. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jul 2015 #122

lots of misdirected outrage here JustinL Jul 2015 #123

I agree with the sentiment, wrong time and place. tymorial Jul 2015 #126

OK, this is not cool, flip the racist fucker off, yell at them if possible, etc. but don't... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #127

Yep. Jaywalking on the highway. It's against the law. hunter Jul 2015 #130

Is the race-baiting necessary? Do you also support ripping out campaign signs... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #136

Someone put the flag on the truck as a statement. That's free speech. hunter Jul 2015 #141

At least you asked, but I have a question, did the people behind the campaign for Proposition H8... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #143

It would be easy for me to say that's just petty theft or vandalism bhikkhu Jul 2015 #131

Honestly, its extremely petty, and I would venture to guess it would reflect... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #140

My point was the opposite bhikkhu Jul 2015 #153

That man was protesting against an oppressive regime, the one in the video in the OP... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #154

Again, that is easy to say being white bhikkhu Jul 2015 #157

Front would prolly be harder. Go Vols Jul 2015 #132

I thought the current meme was private display was okay, just take down from the gov't sites Telcontar Jul 2015 #146

The act of taking the flag off of private property was not free speech. graegoyle Jul 2015 #155

The act of taking the flag off of private property was not free speech. graegoyle Jul 2015 #156

Right after Obama passed Cash for Clunkers, I wrote on the back of my semi trailer B Calm Jul 2015 #158