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Lordquinton

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119. Monogamy hasn't worked well for women and children in reality.

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 05:17 PM

Jul 2015

People aren't talking about the stereotype, they are talking about real poly relationships.

The hatred and right wing talking points are out of control on this board.

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No, polygamy isn't rape. THIS is rape. [View all] Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 OP

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How, well, expected. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #4

If you're trying to insult me somehow, I guess I'm not following. Sheldon Cooper Jul 2015 #8

Ok, Sparky, I'll spell it out. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #10

Gee thanks, Hoss. Sheldon Cooper Jul 2015 #12

Polygamy is not rape. thesquanderer Jul 2015 #26

Thank you. eggplant Jul 2015 #56

Well said. Can't believe you had to explain that. cui bono Jul 2015 #129

It's damned strange JackInGreen Jul 2015 #139

Perhaps, but then some monogamy is rape as well. Maedhros Jul 2015 #84

don't particularly see the need to hide your post but it's not rape PatrynXX Jul 2015 #134

First, my best to you. I am glad you are doing well, and that your rapist boston bean Jul 2015 #14

Yes there is. GeorgeGist Jul 2015 #22

pretty much Kevin from WI Jul 2015 #28

Well, there are homophobic and sexist/misogynist basis in these boston bean Jul 2015 #33

Agreed Kevin from WI Jul 2015 #47

But many times, the woman does not have a choice... boston bean Jul 2015 #54

^ n/t BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2015 #72

Why does poly have to have a female Kevin from WI Jul 2015 #86

In terms of this discussion, it was about females. Why can't it be. boston bean Jul 2015 #88

So are you against marriage equality for poly couples in the USA for consenting adults? Kevin from WI Jul 2015 #92

I don't think I ever said such a thing. nt boston bean Jul 2015 #93

No one is tip-toeing around it, it's a red herring Lordquinton Jul 2015 #117

It is not the exact same problem. boston bean Jul 2015 #122

I think you need to educate yourself about what poly relationships are Lordquinton Jul 2015 #138

many times women in monagamist marriages do not have a choice as to when to have sex uppityperson Jul 2015 #104

right, that would go without saying, but glad you did. boston bean Jul 2015 #108

no, sorry, have been on and off, reading and not going to research as time is limited uppityperson Jul 2015 #109

I'm not looking for "proof", I would like to understand the context.. boston bean Jul 2015 #110

many times women in monogamist marriages do not have a choice as to when to have sex. oberliner Jul 2015 #142

I am just dumbstruck with incredulity at some of the responses you have received in this thread. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #18

Agreed. Someone on this thread was actually advocating the rape by a barb wired Akicita Jul 2015 #99

nt Whatthe_Firetruck Jul 2015 #127

Welcome to DU. That "nt" is generally placed in the reply title when there is No Text in the body uppityperson Jul 2015 #156

Right, noted. Thought it meant 'no title' =) /nt Whatthe_Firetruck Jul 2015 #159

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As has been explained TIME AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #5

Not all of it, but a huge percentage of it is. kcr Jul 2015 #19

I think there are WAY more consensual polygamous Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #21

and -I- think there are way more abusive polygamous relationships that involve rape. KittyWampus Jul 2015 #27

Why do you think that? Are you just guessing? n/t kcr Jul 2015 #126

I conduct surveys for a living. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #130

Okay. And? kcr Jul 2015 #151

The surveys are for the U.S. Census Bureau Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #152

Okay. But that doesn't answer the question, so kcr Jul 2015 #154

@alarimer, what the fuck is wrong with you? Quackers Jul 2015 #95

In days past that would have been Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #96

From the "Stalin was an atheist so all atheists are as evil as Stalin" school of argument? brooklynite Jul 2015 #13

Exactly Kevin from WI Jul 2015 #30

Or "Hitler was a vegetarian, therefore..." /nt demwing Jul 2015 #66

Well, THAT of course goes without saying... brooklynite Jul 2015 #67

gosh damn it I am a vegetarian too Kevin from WI Jul 2015 #87

You are correct. BKH70041 Jul 2015 #6

Isn't it rape if underage children are involved? Nitram Jul 2015 #55

WTF does that have to do with anything? eggplant Jul 2015 #58

Calm down, I'm just suggesting that some people may have equated /conflated polygamy with.. Nitram Jul 2015 #61

Sex with an underage child is rape, no matter if they are monogamous, poly, or whatever uppityperson Jul 2015 #105

Exactly my point. Nitram Jul 2015 #145

This is exactly the crock o shitthat I was pissed about here... pipoman Jul 2015 #7

Sometimes you gotta say what needs saying, even though you know it'll be hidden. uppityperson Jul 2015 #106

I hadn't had a post hidden for well over a year... pipoman Jul 2015 #120

Thank you for being amazingly brave! luvspeas Jul 2015 #9

Yes, rape is rape and can happen in all sorts of relationships Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #11

I wanted to say something madokie Jul 2015 #15

Thanks, madokie. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #16

I no longer will allow either to appear on my monitor madokie Jul 2015 #20

Yes it does do something for me. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #24

. madokie Jul 2015 #25

Always plcdude Jul 2015 #63

I wanna echo this Plucketeer Jul 2015 #101

Thank you for reporting that SOB to the police. That was courageous of you. raccoon Jul 2015 #17

It's up to each individual rape victim whether or not they want Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #23

+1 jonno99 Jul 2015 #42

Thank you for trying to bring some sense to the dialogue Hydra Jul 2015 #29

That took a lot of courage for you to Ilsa Jul 2015 #31

Your experience was horrific amuse bouche Jul 2015 #32

Ah, I've been ruffling feathers around here Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #34

OMG! What a hideous experience! calimary Jul 2015 #35

Oh, thanks, calimary, Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #37

Thank you for calling bullshit. You need a bullhorn for all the bullshit around here lately. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #80

Thank you! TM99 Jul 2015 #36

. . . Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #39

I became a therapist in part TM99 Jul 2015 #43

Thank you Le Taz Hot for your post Kevin from WI Jul 2015 #38

Thanks, hon. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #40

The person who replied that you made this up.. Duppers Jul 2015 #41

Thanks so much for sharing your story. We found out last year that a member jonno99 Jul 2015 #44

10! Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #48

Thank you jonno99 Jul 2015 #57

I believe that there are polygamous couples where no one is oppressed, however, i don't think that's La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2015 #45

because the women and young women in those scenarios are no free to say no- KittyWampus Jul 2015 #51

I believe, if I am reading and following correctly.. boston bean Jul 2015 #52

aah! i get it now. La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2015 #64

Depends on the point of reference and sub-group dynamics. haele Jul 2015 #116

Polyamory is fine. Institutionalized patriarchy as exemplified by polygamy not so much nt riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #124

that's my point. i have no issues with polyamory but institutionalized polygamy and bigamy La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2015 #149

I believe that there are monogamous couples where no one is oppressed, however, i don't think that's Lordquinton Jul 2015 #118

actually, that's not really true. monogamous marriages are pretty new La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2015 #148

Ugh, what a terrifying and horrible experience. prayin4rain Jul 2015 #46

I was trying to say that not all polymarraige sex is non-consensual. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #50

That makes sense and I agree with you. prayin4rain Jul 2015 #62

K/R KG Jul 2015 #49

I am truly sorry for your experience but marital rape happens too riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #53

I'm not diminishing the experience of marital rape, Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #60

The issue of consent is of crucial importance with sex riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #65

This. nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #97

Monogamy hasn't worked well for women and children in reality. Lordquinton Jul 2015 #119

Polyamory is fine. Institutionalized patriarchy as exemplified by polygamy not so much nt riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #123

And the two are easily distinguised Lordquinton Jul 2015 #137

This JackInGreen Jul 2015 #141

Thanks for sharing that LittleGirl Jul 2015 #59

For two years after that Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #68

Thanks. LittleGirl Jul 2015 #75

Thank you, La Taz Jack Rabbit Jul 2015 #69

FUCK THE GODDAMMED RAPISTS AND THEIR DEFENDERS!!!!! BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2015 #70

There ya go! Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #71

I agree with you completely Akicita Jul 2015 #89

I am truly sorry that you had to go through that ordeal rock Jul 2015 #73

Thank you tavalon Jul 2015 #74

I conduct surveys for the government Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #77

"When it isn't consensual then any forcible sexual encounter in any framework is rape." snort Jul 2015 #79

This ought to be at the top of the greatest - TBF Jul 2015 #76

Thank youbest comment of the week on the poly subject. craigmatic Jul 2015 #78

condolences timdog44 Jul 2015 #81

. . . Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #82

K&R LittleBlue Jul 2015 #83

Consensual sex is not rape no matter how bizarre it is to some of us. Cleita Jul 2015 #85

+1 Tatiana La Belle Jul 2015 #128

Rape isn't about sex any more than hitting someone in the head with a hammer is about carpentry. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #90

All I gotta say is d_legendary1 Jul 2015 #91

Poster # 2 is also a rape victim. I hope you don't mean she should choke on a pretzel. boston bean Jul 2015 #94

This message was self-deleted by its author Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #98

I also agree it was a bogus hide. Polygamy as practiced today, erases women's choice riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #102

Yep, and a rape victim punished here on DU for speaking her mind about it. boston bean Jul 2015 #103

Well other DUers want her to choke on a pretzel riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #111

That's true too. disturbing to say the least. nt boston bean Jul 2015 #114

Can you elaborate on how it erases women's choice Mojorabbit Jul 2015 #132

Im not leaving out the cults, Islam or Mormonism riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #150

She may be a victim, but it doesn't give her the right to d_legendary1 Jul 2015 #146

"may be a victim" WTH?? boston bean Jul 2015 #157

Should I replace it with "Though she is a victim" d_legendary1 Jul 2015 #158

Someone almost had a sadz oneshooter Jul 2015 #113

Yaaaooosaaa!!! d_legendary1 Jul 2015 #147

Kudos to you for having the strength and clarity to share this. lostnfound Jul 2015 #100

If I really commented on any polygamy thread get the red out Jul 2015 #107

I fail to see the "polygamy = rape" connection as well NickB79 Jul 2015 #112

Rape is being forced to have sex, perform sexual acts, threat of sexual force, rape of the mind Dont call me Shirley Jul 2015 #115

No arguments from me. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #131

That is so true. Truly consenting adults can have sex with as many consenting adults as they want. Dont call me Shirley Jul 2015 #155

Rape has nothing to do with sex. n/t jtuck004 Jul 2015 #133

Sorry to hear this... Lithos Jul 2015 #121

Thanks for spelling it out like that. Babel_17 Jul 2015 #125

Thank you JackInGreen Jul 2015 #135

The Bravest Post I've Seen On DU... WillyT Jul 2015 #136

WillieT Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #143

After reading this, I cannot get over all of the hidden message by jury... MrMickeysMom Jul 2015 #140

Thankfully, I can only see a couple of them. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #144

Kicked and recommeded. Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #153

I can't believe the hijacking of your thread by others who want to deny derail diminish... Hekate Jul 2015 #160