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TM99

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82. Thank you Ms. Toad.

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 09:50 PM

Jul 2015

I agree.

I can celebrate with my sister who finally after 20 years in a long term committed relationship has married the love of her life.

I can also wonder how long it might take for my partner who is bisexual and loves me and another woman that we are in a poly relationship with before our union can be legally recognized.

These are inline with each other. I celebrate the ruling because it is another step forward. My parents married during a time when it was still not legal for blacks and whites to marry. I have advocated for my LGBT friends, cousins, aunts, godparents, and sibling for 40 years and applaud the cultural changes that took so many so long to evolve on.

I can be working towards my own goals AND still be advocating and supporting the next step which is getting sexual orientation added to the federally protected non-discrimination laws so that everyone is safe at work, at home, everywhere from institutionalized oppression.

Frankly, the animosity is getting to me. I am strongly considering just not ever discussing my own personal relationship issues again on these boards.

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Gay Marriage - Can we have *one* week [View all] Aerows Jul 2015 OP

No you cant because they HATE you that much. Sorry, not here, not in judeo christian America randys1 Jul 2015 #1

Really though. bravenak Jul 2015 #2

Bravenak said it. cwydro Jul 2015 #37

She's a good friend Aerows Jul 2015 #60

Yup. I have strong opinions on the poly thing, but it is inappropriate to raise them now IMHO. stevenleser Jul 2015 #150

It isn't that it is inappropriate to raise them now Aerows Jul 2015 #155

For some it is, for others it isn't. n/t Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #157

A band of merry pranksters yelling "Look at MEEEE!" is not helpful or kind.... Hekate Jul 2015 #159

It isn't the timing, it is the intent. I agree with Aerows, she is absolutely correct. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #165

I agree with you and with Aerows. BeanMusical Jul 2015 #190

Bullshit is their default position. blm Jul 2015 #160

Ain't god's country great, so fucken loving, so kind, NOT. n/t RKP5637 Jul 2015 #3

I don't know Aerows Jul 2015 #5

I've been attacked a couple of times, but fortunately not hurt. I have another friend, super RKP5637 Jul 2015 #9

And then to see this victory get diminished Aerows Jul 2015 #16

I liken it to the civil rights era. There is still so much endless hostility and hatred in this RKP5637 Jul 2015 #28

So sorry to hear this... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2015 #20

It is Aerows Jul 2015 #33

Congratulations to all of us, gay and hetero, on the occasion of this civil rights victory pinboy3niner Jul 2015 #4

This kind of shit HURTS. Aerows Jul 2015 #8

I drink their tears. nt pinboy3niner Jul 2015 #10

I've drank too many Aerows Jul 2015 #14

Most of us do value your input... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2015 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author Mojorabbit Jul 2015 #106

K&R! I am still amazed any of this happened. The timing was just right. Never, did I ever RKP5637 Jul 2015 #15

With the pin boy�... blm Jul 2015 #182

You deserve more than a week, a lifetime, to enjoy finally getting Cleita Jul 2015 #6

It's to the point, on DU Aerows Jul 2015 #12

I hope that does not happen. niyad Jul 2015 #36

Ignore is your good friend. roody Jul 2015 #44

I do Aerows Jul 2015 #193

They never let us have anything DemocraticWing Jul 2015 #7

Here's one straight who does NOT. I thank the gay community for its courage and CTyankee Jul 2015 #11

This is stuff Aerows Jul 2015 #13

oh, god... CTyankee Jul 2015 #24

It seems to be a serious effort to divide the DU community csziggy Jul 2015 #68

You and me both. Aerows Jul 2015 #71

It's so relentless I think they must be trolls csziggy Jul 2015 #72

I'm not here much Nite Owl Jul 2015 #103

I so agree. romanic Jul 2015 #110

All I can say is, consider the source. MADem Jul 2015 #152

Consider the source. Aerows Jul 2015 #161

Yes, I think it's organized disruption. hunter Jul 2015 #135

You got right to the heart of it - it is flamebait Aerows Jul 2015 #154

My sentiments exactly! nt redwitch Jul 2015 #26

I don't understand why we have to automatically accept homophobic framing... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #17

Suspicious of the timing? Aerows Jul 2015 #47

The fact is that some of us do both, and I don't want us to tear down poly people to prop up... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #52

But you are a straight person and you minimize the 'timing' which is the entire point. Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #77

There's nothing wrong with the position itself. n/t Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #83

There's nothing wrong with allowing a hard-won victory to stand as is for the time being, either... LanternWaste Jul 2015 #137

True, but that doesn't excuse the over the top, hateful attacks on poly relationships that I saw... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #142

All of the sudden Aerows Jul 2015 #145

I'm sorry, according to some here, people in poly relationships are swingers, want to molest... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #149

Yes, there is. Because it's a deliberate blurring of the distinction pnwmom Jul 2015 #220

Ah, yes, the picture suddenly makes sense. historylovr Jul 2015 #69

Easy to connect the dots Aerows Jul 2015 #73

Humanist Activist will not acknowledge what you showed him, count on it. Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #79

Of course I acknowledge it. And who is this "they" I'm a part of? n/t Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #84

You did not acknowledge what she linked to, which is a 'flagged for review' gay baiting jerk Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #132

Uhm, I was under a different username, but here you go... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #144

You got right to the heart of it Aerows Jul 2015 #175

It isn't about gay people getting married Aerows Jul 2015 #88

How is advocating that polyamorous relationships get some type of legal protection/recognition... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #107

Singing happy birthday to your own guest at someone else's wedding is poor form LanternWaste Jul 2015 #138

Like I said, the timing sucks, doesn't mean that polygamy delegitimize SSM... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #143

Oh I am so sorry Aerows Jul 2015 #180

I'm sorry that your happiness is dependent on the misery of others... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #186

Here is the status of the poster from Aerow's link: Posting Privileges Revoked by Earl G Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #245

Thank you. Change has come Jul 2015 #108

THAT one's account is "flagged for review", so closeupready Jul 2015 #128

+1 Hekate Jul 2015 #163

^^THIS PowerToThePeople Jul 2015 #48

+10000 eggplant Jul 2015 #81

This straight guy is right there with you... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2015 #18

I think you nailed it Aerows Jul 2015 #196

Yep, you have some trolls awoke_in_2003 Jul 2015 #197

I guess not - in part because there's already been a polygamous legal issue Yo_Mama Jul 2015 #19

They found a new way to gay bash, that's why this 'issue' dropped out of the blue so suddenly Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #21

+infinity etherealtruth Jul 2015 #45

It's freaking mean Aerows Jul 2015 #58

This is part of how one can tell it is a created issue on DU, actual people self advocating would Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #62

I don't let it bother me bigwillq Jul 2015 #23

Oh noes. That means YOU decide how much power your detractors have, and choose not to give them jtuck004 Jul 2015 #169

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #25

I have no vested interest Aerows Jul 2015 #29

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #31

Your post is hateful bullshit. Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #43

toasters and dogs are not consenting adults in any manner. uppityperson Jul 2015 #42

I know Aerows Jul 2015 #53

polygamous societies are also homophobic societies. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #30

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #34

Feel free to provide an example of a secular polygamist society. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2015 #46

and what flavour pizza would you like? niyad Jul 2015 #38

Thank you for providing a perfect example of what the OP complained about. jeff47 Jul 2015 #40

I didn't see all of it time Aerows Jul 2015 #54

are you really that insensitive? do you really not care what your comparison invokes? JanMichael Jul 2015 #49

I am truly sorry etherealtruth Jul 2015 #27

Yo cwydro Jul 2015 #32

Hear, hear! smirkymonkey Jul 2015 #35

DU rec...nt SidDithers Jul 2015 #39

Yup. Agreed. It completely sucks. riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #41

GAH! YES!!! Texasgal Jul 2015 #50

I am disappointed and amazed that this widespread spewing of santorum hifiguy Jul 2015 #51

Recommended! JohnnyLib2 Jul 2015 #55

Obergefell gives many people hope Tatiana La Belle Jul 2015 #56

lol Change has come Jul 2015 #115

I must be old and out of touch because I don't even want polygamy. I have enough to do trying to Ed Suspicious Jul 2015 #57

I hear you. It is truly beyond the pale... Wounded Bear Jul 2015 #59

"As far as I am concerned, gay rights are human rights" Aerows Jul 2015 #102

YW-I choose to believe that.... Wounded Bear Jul 2015 #118

This would be a far better world Aerows Jul 2015 #181

I am so sorry get the red out Jul 2015 #61

the bigots just cannot seem to help themselves, and they do not fool me for a minute Skittles Jul 2015 #63

+a million tammywammy Jul 2015 #76

I'd settle for just 2 fucking days! zappaman Jul 2015 #64

K&R nt LostOne4Ever Jul 2015 #65

Why stop at one week? seveneyes Jul 2015 #66

Do you really not have LGBT friends who are polyamorous, who also want their families recognized? Ms. Toad Jul 2015 #67

Best wishes to them, I hope some say they get the legal status they desire. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #70

I have gay and lesbian friends Aerows Jul 2015 #75

not one person here ever wants to take that away. everevereverever. laundry_queen Jul 2015 #104

It's really nice that you think know what my life has been like Ms. Toad Jul 2015 #116

Thank you JackInGreen Jul 2015 #78

Thank you Ms. Toad. TM99 Jul 2015 #82

I don't see where Aerows compared poly families to marrying dogs riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #85

Thank you Aerows Jul 2015 #90

. riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #94

I don't see any other way to interpret this: Ms. Toad Jul 2015 #117

The "slippery slope" argument is a RW talking point. Jamastiene Jul 2015 #123

So you understand the Obergefell decision has nothing to do with polygamy riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #134

Here's an example of one post: Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #156

Good God. Aerows Jul 2015 #170

I specifically asked that person if people in polyamorous relationships hurt women.. Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #172

Yes, you aren't differentiating between polyamory and polygamy. The rest of us are riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #171

But she addressed polyamory in this post... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #173

If people followed "I got mine, now I'm done." We would never get anywhere. kjones Jul 2015 #148

This message was self-deleted by its author riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #86

There's a myth that gay people are more promiscuous.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #74

Technically, I think it's been over a week, so trolls are coming out snooper2 Jul 2015 #80

No. I can probably dig up 10,000 reasons why we can't have nice things around here. Glassunion Jul 2015 #87

Please Aerows Jul 2015 #93

Well when the hell am I going to be able to use this!!?!?!?!?!!!! Glassunion Jul 2015 #96

Exactly! ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #89

It has gotten out of hand Aerows Jul 2015 #91

And for what? ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #95

Making gay marriage Aerows Jul 2015 #99

I agree with you davidpdx Jul 2015 #92

It is, in my opinion Aerows Jul 2015 #97

Could be jumping on the bandwagon as well davidpdx Jul 2015 #100

I'm still not sure how the continuing freedom movement is an insult to the Gay community Hydra Jul 2015 #98

Apparently, we're on the highway to hell Tatiana La Belle Jul 2015 #101

exactly smiley Jul 2015 #230

Actually, I think the reason we're having so many discussions about it Hydra Jul 2015 #235

not one person blathering about poly has stated that they and their cohort want to get married luvspeas Jul 2015 #105

I have. TM99 Jul 2015 #109

you have been blathering all day...not an insult...it's a fact luvspeas Jul 2015 #111

You just can't stop the insults can you. TM99 Jul 2015 #113

maybe one or more of them don't want to marry you luvspeas Jul 2015 #114

I am done with you. TM99 Jul 2015 #124

It's 90% of what they have so far Hydra Jul 2015 #112

The best way to celebrate freedom attained is to fight for the freedoms still denied. Kurska Jul 2015 #119

nope ibegurpard Jul 2015 #120

What gets me is that I'm not even against polygamy Jamastiene Jul 2015 #121

Right? ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #126

I'm all for polyamory for those who want it, polygamy is a different matter and I have never seen it Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #130

So is it the word polygamy you have a problem with, or the legal recognition of... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #153

Clearly words don't matter, no matter what I write you just play parsing antagonistic fuckery Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #199

Who is Wella and why am I following them? You seem to think there is some conspiracy... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #205

Hell has frozen over....you and I agree completely. nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #164

Thank you for a cold splash of reality. It's not about words, it's about what is. nt Hekate Jul 2015 #177

In the strictest sense of the word, yes, Jamastiene Jul 2015 #237

+infinity (nt) LostOne4Ever Jul 2015 #158

That's what made me so irritated that I made this post. Aerows Jul 2015 #174

Well said. I particularly like the "slippery slope" argument used by all that are afraid of progress. rhett o rick Jul 2015 #243

My sentiments exactly. n/t Betty Karlson Jul 2015 #122

Polygamy IS "traditional biblical marriage" grahamhgreen Jul 2015 #125

Divorce is not forbidden oberliner Jul 2015 #127

OT permits divorce, Jesus says divorce is not permitted and any second marriage is adultery. Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #129

"I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality..." oberliner Jul 2015 #131

It means any sexual activity outside the marriage. Obviously. What do you think it means? Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #139

So divorce is permitted according to Jesus oberliner Jul 2015 #141

Yeah, Jesus basic thing is second partner is a no go for either person, period. Voids the whole set Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #185

And *here* Aerows Jul 2015 #188

I for one am unconditionally happy. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #133

I was wondering if that was what's actually going on LanternWaste Jul 2015 #136

Nope. The RWing concern trolls pounced as soon as the ink dried. Rex Jul 2015 #140

Rex, as usual, you hit the nail on the head Aerows Jul 2015 #178

I am extremely happy for the GLBT win, but I disagree with this post. bobbobbins01 Jul 2015 #146

You put your finger on what's been bugging the hell out of me about the polygamy posts.... Hekate Jul 2015 #147

Exactly what it is, Hekate Aerows Jul 2015 #183

DU never fails to disappoint. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #151

Plus a million ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #162

It was definitely organized. Just keep a list of those who thought msanthrope Jul 2015 #166

With friends like some on DU, who needs the teaparty as enemies, we have enough already. NoJusticeNoPeace Jul 2015 #176

Someone posted an *excellent* response in a previous thread Orrex Jul 2015 #189

It doesn't just feel like it Aerows Jul 2015 #224

Exactly. Jamastiene Jul 2015 #238

Welcome to progress. The march doesn't stop just because you want it to. craigmatic Jul 2015 #167

Probably not, because there are too many stupid, ignorant assholes? Spider Jerusalem Jul 2015 #168

It is easier to deal with Aerows Jul 2015 #201

Yup, and one of the most prolific of the polygamy OP starters Jamastiene Jul 2015 #239

The right wing use of it is terrible... MellowDem Jul 2015 #179

What's worse it's highly ironic since "Traditional Marriage" owns Polygamy and Pedophilia. Amimnoch Jul 2015 #184

in other words smiley Jul 2015 #187

To some, "exercising free speech" Aerows Jul 2015 #192

thanks for the lesson smiley Jul 2015 #200

I've suffered the consequences for what I believe in Aerows Jul 2015 #202

glad to hear you didn't let anyone silence you. smiley Jul 2015 #204

This is a private web site. You have no free speech rights here. jeff47 Jul 2015 #194

Amen Aerows Jul 2015 #195

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #206

This message was self-deleted by its author jeff47 Jul 2015 #209

It is open, brutal harrassment at this point Aerows Jul 2015 #211

Yep, he's a troll. Just careful enough to not use sufficiently inflammatory language to get a hide. jeff47 Jul 2015 #212

You're free to start your own thread instead of playing games in this one. Not cool. Hekate Jul 2015 #225

I can say whatever I want with the framework of the sites rules smiley Jul 2015 #203

If you have to say things Aerows Jul 2015 #208

I'm not sure how I'm skirting the framework of the rules? smiley Jul 2015 #214

Passive aggressive. Cute. Hekate Jul 2015 #227

Fear of Gay people can be found everywhere, cant it. randys1 Jul 2015 #216

Nope! They can ban you just for being an asshole. jeff47 Jul 2015 #210

ban away... smiley Jul 2015 #215

Pretending you are this clueless is not flattering. jeff47 Jul 2015 #218

okay you caught me... smiley Jul 2015 #221

"I have no idea who or what MIRT is." NuclearDem Jul 2015 #231

If you have no idea what MIRT is, then you probably Jamastiene Jul 2015 #240

AT least we have the Gay scaredy cats out in the open this way randys1 Jul 2015 #217

It just about has me in tears, though Aerows Jul 2015 #229

I made a supid mistake 20 yrs ago when I asked my Gay nephew why was he Gay, why not randys1 Jul 2015 #244

sadly I think it is 80/20 DonCoquixote Jul 2015 #191

What hypocrisy. Exilednight Jul 2015 #198

Oh goodness Aerows Jul 2015 #207

Guess what? Shoving polyamory in their face to diminish their victory does not make you look good. jeff47 Jul 2015 #213

Why are you scared of debate? Exilednight Jul 2015 #219

The folks afraid of this debate are the ones who claim it is important but never brought it up until Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #222

I'm not. Why are you deliberately hurting LGBT people? (nt) jeff47 Jul 2015 #223

What exactly have I done to hurt them? Exilednight Jul 2015 #226

Regurgitated Right-wing talking points about "gay marriage" jeff47 Jul 2015 #233

Debating never hurt anyone. Exilednight Jul 2015 #241

You aren't debating. You're demanding we stop talking about something good jeff47 Jul 2015 #242

You're not allowing the debate. Exilednight Jul 2015 #246

No, I'm not allowing you to smear LGBT people with your right-wing talking point. jeff47 Jul 2015 #248

Nobody is scared of a goddamn thing Aerows Jul 2015 #232

Your attacking me and I have made very few Exilednight Jul 2015 #247

You know the terms "mansplaining" or "whitesplaining"? jeff47 Jul 2015 #249

Bingo. n/t Aerows Jul 2015 #228

Yeah? Well, you're a narcissist, or a hypocrite for wanting that. herding cats Jul 2015 #234

Thank you for this Aerows Jul 2015 #236