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bravenak

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119. Gandhi did his own work. MLK did his and died for it.

Wed Jul 8, 2015, 09:51 PM

Jul 2015

Why can't poly people do what needs to be done? Why should we rewrite the laws for them? Child custody, inheritance, those laws have been in place for a long time.
It's not selfish to say, I WORKED for mine, I've suffered for mine, I'm still struggling for mine, NO PIGGY BACK RIDES! Get yo ass in the street and do the damn thang. Why do you need to ride in on black civil rights and gay rights to get what you want?

Sounds like poly folks don't have the resilience to do the work to get recognition. They want it easy. They don't want to fight and die for acceptacne, gay folks did the fighting and dying and marching and crying, the coming outs, the banishments, suffered loss, no help for aids, beatings, harsh treatment, etc. Your turn to change minds and hearts. No piggy back rides, lgbt and blacks already have enough burdens to bear without carrying poly people on their backs.

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Polygamy Is An Attempt to Legalize Rape. Comparing It To Marriage Is Sexist and Homophobic. [View all] msanthrope Jul 2015 OP

Not all polygamy fits into your narrow box. eShirl Jul 2015 #1

Except my "narrow box" describes the majority of polygamist communities in North America. nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #3

Do I detect a mobile goal post? eShirl Jul 2015 #10

I have no idea what you detect. nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #13

! eShirl Jul 2015 #14

The poster very clearly described various forms of polygamy. canuckledragger Jul 2015 #48

? eShirl Jul 2015 #106

Pretending ignorance now? canuckledragger Jul 2015 #110

The majority of polygamist communities in North America are among Muslims oberliner Jul 2015 #12

There's estimated to be about 100k Christian/Mormon based in Utah msanthrope Jul 2015 #24

Mormons do not engage in polygamy oberliner Jul 2015 #33

Well, I don't do the "One True Scotsman." Religions tend be self-identifying.... msanthrope Jul 2015 #40

So your admitting that "majority" is not all? If so how do you know its a Katashi_itto Jul 2015 #17

I'm not understanding your point. Can you explain it? nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #27

So how do you categorize a threesome? snooper2 Jul 2015 #64

a threesome that lasts for years? msanthrope Jul 2015 #82

So you think if a polywhatever is given same respect as marriage snooper2 Jul 2015 #84

I think you're conflating institutionalised patriarchy with private sexual acts msanthrope Jul 2015 #93

Reminds me of the old adage as to why you shouldn't marry more than one wife Man from Pickens Jul 2015 #128

Let me get this straight. Your taking what happens in cults and just applying it to all Polys? Katashi_itto Jul 2015 #2

I am sure, as my OP mentioned, you have a specific, anecdotal poly relationship msanthrope Jul 2015 #6

Right...again your applying what happens to cults and applying it to all Polys? Katashi_itto Jul 2015 #8

Are you calling Muslims a "cult?" (see post #12.) nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #15

No you are. I never mentioned Muslims. Your the one saying they are all rapists. Katashi_itto Jul 2015 #20

I did not write the post you are referring to. nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #28

Some Muslims are poly. You state all Polys are Rapists. Katashi_itto Jul 2015 #29

The women involved in polygamy are rapists? How so? msanthrope Jul 2015 #31

The women in religious polygamy are monogamous, it's the men who are 'poly'. Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #35

That is correct. Thank you for pointing that out. nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #42

I'll also point out that for men who are gay in Poly countries the punishments are so great that Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #54

I think that issue deserves an op of its own... msanthrope Jul 2015 #99

Are these two men getting raped? Should we call social services? snooper2 Jul 2015 #70

you confuse an act amongst three people with a societal institution. KittyWampus Jul 2015 #72

Bingo tymorial Jul 2015 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author Mojorabbit Jul 2015 #83

+1000 nt Mojorabbit Jul 2015 #86

Interesting contention you have that the most autocratic and sexually repressive countries are Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #34

those are Muslim countries which allow men to marry multiple women but 2 consensual men could not JI7 Jul 2015 #125

Islam is a cult. So is Christianity. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #91

What a crock of metabolic byproducts. hobbit709 Jul 2015 #4

The Duggars are a family based on female consent and reproductive control? msanthrope Jul 2015 #7

Are the Duggars Poly? Katashi_itto Jul 2015 #9

I have no idea what the Duggars are. But they were used as an example of "traditional" marriage. msanthrope Jul 2015 #16

So you cant even figure out what the Duggars and we are suppose to think your credible? Katashi_itto Jul 2015 #22

I wasn't the one who brought up the Duggars. You seem upset. nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #25

You obviously are sarchasm challenged. hobbit709 Jul 2015 #23

I ask you, why don't the people in 'multi partner families' speak out against the vile repression of Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #43

Please stop conflating TM99 Jul 2015 #55

So Poly is a People except when they are not? Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #60

Blue you are impossible to communicate with. TM99 Jul 2015 #65

You preach and sermonize and demand and yet you refuse to discuss what I say. Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #69

Project much?! TM99 Jul 2015 #73

blue isn't impossible to communicate with on msanthrope Jul 2015 #85

Your input is neither requested TM99 Jul 2015 #90

DING DING DING!!! 2naSalit Jul 2015 #95

you do realize this is my thread? nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #97

Exactly. He is spot on. bravenak Jul 2015 #111

So... the scene in the movie "Bandits" DetlefK Jul 2015 #5

I think works of fiction are stories---and you don't base government on them--- msanthrope Jul 2015 #11

I was missing the unrec but then I decided recing this so more people see it was even better. nt PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #18

Monogamy has been pretty terrible for women for centuries oberliner Jul 2015 #19

Stop confusing patriarchy with monogamy. You keep doing it. KittyWampus Jul 2015 #76

Speaking as a rape victim. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #21

From my OP, since you seemed to miss it..... msanthrope Jul 2015 #38

I read the whole thing. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #41

Um, I haven't particpated in multiple threads on this subject. I think you mistake me for someone msanthrope Jul 2015 #44

Gee, I can't imagine how those communities became insular in the first place. nt laundry_queen Jul 2015 #26

Polygamy is illegal. TM99 Jul 2015 #30

More like unwilling than unable. hobbit709 Jul 2015 #32

Then the US Poly Culture needs to distance itself from and join the LGBT community in opposing Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #46

I have zero problem with what you are saying here. TM99 Jul 2015 #49

And yet DU and this very thread is full of folks claiming that religious Poly countries are part of Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #58

Sometimes you make little sense. TM99 Jul 2015 #59

When other posters say they are the same thing, as is done in this very thread, you do not object Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #63

They didn't. They haven't. TM99 Jul 2015 #67

"There are interesting arguments to be made for legalizing polygamy..." oberliner Jul 2015 #36

From the article you posted above, in 12, how many of those women were free to leave--truly msanthrope Jul 2015 #39

Monogamy seems richly subsidized by voluntary extra-marital relationships HereSince1628 Jul 2015 #37

It's not that simple, even if you think of polygamy as inherently bad Recursion Jul 2015 #45

Hmmm..not seeing your outrage Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2015 #47

Agree. 100% Calista241 Jul 2015 #50

Is this one of those "all marriage except gay marriage" is rape posts??? ileus Jul 2015 #51

I personally don't care if 5 men get married. Kevin from WI Jul 2015 #52

Countries that allow polygamy are places like Saudi Arabia alarimer Jul 2015 #53

So in your mind TM99 Jul 2015 #57

So how do you explain the fact that all poly countires are sexually repressive in the extreme to all Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #66

They are not poly countries. TM99 Jul 2015 #68

They are countires which practice Polygamy. This thread is about polygamy. Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #71

We have. TM99 Jul 2015 #75

Bullshit. 99Forever Jul 2015 #56

Nice irony-trolling! Man from Pickens Jul 2015 #61

This thread is about polygamy. In countries with legal polygamy, polysexuality is forbidden and Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #74

+1000 nt Mojorabbit Jul 2015 #88

DU rec for pissing off all the right people...nt SidDithers Jul 2015 #62

so you're shutting down a discussion by throwing labels HFRN Jul 2015 #77

This entire comment is utterly preposterous. tymorial Jul 2015 #78

Basically, yes HassleCat Jul 2015 #79

How is that different from your run of the mill marriage? The2ndWheel Jul 2015 #87

I believe you will be disappointed in 10 years yeoman6987 Jul 2015 #80

I lulz'ed KG Jul 2015 #89

The evidence that is currently available to us tends to show prayin4rain Jul 2015 #92

Also true of monogamous cult marriages LadyHawkAZ Jul 2015 #94

Brilliant strategy! Using the right's arguments against Gays! Glitterati Jul 2015 #96

Where does polyamory fit in your little box? tavalon Jul 2015 #98

I can't speak to msanthrope but personally I have zero problem with polyamory riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #100

it's unfortunate that women in polygamous marriages don't have the same freedom you describe. msanthrope Jul 2015 #102

Then make it clear that you are distinguishing between various forms of polygamy and polyamory tavalon Jul 2015 #124

My OP is extremely clear. I am sorry it was not for you. nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #129

Your sweeping condemnation is no different than Trump's LittleBlue Jul 2015 #101

geez I knew I was having a bad hair day..... msanthrope Jul 2015 #103

You've presented no proof that polygamous arrangements inherently grant fewer legal LittleBlue Jul 2015 #104

Right.....because the insular communities I've described are msanthrope Jul 2015 #105

Relevance to your dubious rape claim? LittleBlue Jul 2015 #107

I appreciate you backing down on your racism claim..... msanthrope Jul 2015 #108

I'm not backing away from my xenophobia claim LittleBlue Jul 2015 #109

Well....now it's xenophobia? Because I think Americans should not practice msanthrope Jul 2015 #122

can I bring up threesomes that share an apartment again snooper2 Jul 2015 #117

Here in the USA most polygamy is religious based. bravenak Jul 2015 #112

More narcissism I see. TM99 Jul 2015 #116

Gandhi did his own work. MLK did his and died for it. bravenak Jul 2015 #119

I normally like what you have to say TM99 Jul 2015 #120

You can't/won't even post any advocacy work you've done, let alone poly "groups"! riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #121

Take my bigotry elsewhere. That sounds stupid as fuck. bravenak Jul 2015 #132

Completely disagree with you. Kurska Jul 2015 #127

They can have fun with polyamory all they want. bravenak Jul 2015 #131

Thank you, bravenak Veruca Salt Jul 2015 #130

I try! bravenak Jul 2015 #133

so, how do you feel about polyandry? surrealAmerican Jul 2015 #113

It's practiced in Kerala and is associated with male infanticide Recursion Jul 2015 #114

Sounds horrible. bravenak Jul 2015 #115

Yeah, this post will be conveniently ignored... riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #118

I meant to reply to you up thread but my text to speech app ate my post..... msanthrope Jul 2015 #123

Foul, evil, bigotted nonsense. Shame on you. Donald Ian Rankin Jul 2015 #126