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In reply to the discussion: BFEE Just Us [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)200. The Machine: Taking the Risk out of Democracy, Corporate Propaganda vs Freedom & Liberty
Corporate McPravda owns the airwaves. And Corporate Tee Vee is still where most Americans get most of their information.
The Propaganda System That Has Helped Create a Permanent Overclass Is Over a Century in the Making
Pulling back the curtain on how intent the wealthiest Americans have been on establishing a propaganda tool to subvert democracy.
Wednesday, 17 April 2013 00:00
By Andrew Gavin Marshall, AlterNet | News Analysis
Where there is the possibility of democracy, there is the inevitability of elite insecurity. All through its history, democracy has been under a sustained attack by elite interests, political, economic, and cultural. There is a simple reason for this: democracy as in true democracy places power with people. In such circumstances, the few who hold power become threatened. With technological changes in modern history, with literacy and education, mass communication, organization and activism, elites have had to react to the changing nature of society locally and globally.
From the late 19th century on, the threats to elite interests from the possibility of true democracy mobilized institutions, ideologies, and individuals in support of power. What began was a massive social engineering project with one objective: control. Through educational institutions, the social sciences, philanthropic foundations, public relations and advertising agencies, corporations, banks, and states, powerful interests sought to reform and protect their power from the potential of popular democracy.
SNIP...
The development of psychology, psychoanalysis, and other disciplines increasingly portrayed the public and the population as irrational beings incapable of making their own decisions. The premise was simple: if the population was driven by dangerous, irrational emotions, they needed to be kept out of power and ruled over by those who were driven by reason and rationality, naturally, those who were already in power.
The Princeton Radio Project, which began in the 1930s with Rockefeller Foundation funding, brought together many psychologists, social scientists, and experts armed with an interest in social control, mass communication, and propaganda. The Princeton Radio Project had a profound influence upon the development of a modern "democratic propaganda" in the United States and elsewhere in the industrialized world. It helped in establishing and nurturing the ideas, institutions, and individuals who would come to shape Americas democratic propaganda throughout the Cold War, a program fostered between the private corporations which own the media, advertising, marketing, and public relations industries, and the state itself.
CONTINUED...
http://truth-out.org/news/item/15784-the-propaganda-system-that-has-helped-create-a-permanent-overclass-is-over-a-century-in-the-making
Thankfully, to help spread light when the protectors of the First Amendment won't, Maria Galardin's TUC (Time of Useful Consciousness) Radio. The podcast helps explain how we got here and what we need to do to move forward, starting with putting the "Public" into Airwaves again:
Alex Carey: Corporations and Propaganda
The Attack on Democracy
The 20th century, said Carey, is marked by three historic developments: the growth of democracy via the expansion of the franchise, the growth of corporations, and the growth of propaganda to protect corporations from democracy. Carey wrote that the people of the US have been subjected to an unparalleled, expensive, 3/4 century long propaganda effort designed to expand corporate rights by undermining democracy and destroying the unions. And, in his manuscript, unpublished during his life time, he described that history, going back to World War I and ending with the Reagan era. Carey covers the little known role of the US Chamber of Commerce in the McCarthy witch hunts of post WWII and shows how the continued campaign against "Big Government" plays an important role in bringing Reagan to power.
John Pilger called Carey "a second Orwell", Noam Chomsky dedicated his book, Manufacturing Consent, to him. And even though TUC Radio runs our documentary based on Carey's manuscript at least every two years and draws a huge response each time, Alex Carey is still unknown.
Given today's spotlight on corporations that may change. It is not only the Occupy movement that inspired me to present this program again at this time. By an amazing historic coincidence Bill Moyers and Charlie Cray of Greenpeace have just added the missing chapter to Carey's analysis. Carey's manuscript ends in 1988 when he committed suicide. Moyers and Cray begin with 1971 and bring the corporate propaganda project up to date.
This is a fairly complex production with many voices, historic sound clips, and source material. The program has been used by writers and students of history and propaganda. Alex Carey: Taking the Risk out of Democracy, Corporate Propaganda VS Freedom and Liberty with a foreword by Noam Chomsky was published by the University of Illinois Press in 1995.
SOURCE: http://tucradio.org/new.html
If you find a moment, here's the first part (scroll down at the link for the second part) on Carey.
http://tucradio.org/AlexCarey_ONE.mp3
It's important for there to be more than a handful of companies providing "news." As you so well know, my esteemed colleague nashville_brook, Democracy depends on it.
The Propaganda System That Has Helped Create a Permanent Overclass Is Over a Century in the Making
Pulling back the curtain on how intent the wealthiest Americans have been on establishing a propaganda tool to subvert democracy.
Wednesday, 17 April 2013 00:00
By Andrew Gavin Marshall, AlterNet | News Analysis
Where there is the possibility of democracy, there is the inevitability of elite insecurity. All through its history, democracy has been under a sustained attack by elite interests, political, economic, and cultural. There is a simple reason for this: democracy as in true democracy places power with people. In such circumstances, the few who hold power become threatened. With technological changes in modern history, with literacy and education, mass communication, organization and activism, elites have had to react to the changing nature of society locally and globally.
From the late 19th century on, the threats to elite interests from the possibility of true democracy mobilized institutions, ideologies, and individuals in support of power. What began was a massive social engineering project with one objective: control. Through educational institutions, the social sciences, philanthropic foundations, public relations and advertising agencies, corporations, banks, and states, powerful interests sought to reform and protect their power from the potential of popular democracy.
SNIP...
The development of psychology, psychoanalysis, and other disciplines increasingly portrayed the public and the population as irrational beings incapable of making their own decisions. The premise was simple: if the population was driven by dangerous, irrational emotions, they needed to be kept out of power and ruled over by those who were driven by reason and rationality, naturally, those who were already in power.
The Princeton Radio Project, which began in the 1930s with Rockefeller Foundation funding, brought together many psychologists, social scientists, and experts armed with an interest in social control, mass communication, and propaganda. The Princeton Radio Project had a profound influence upon the development of a modern "democratic propaganda" in the United States and elsewhere in the industrialized world. It helped in establishing and nurturing the ideas, institutions, and individuals who would come to shape Americas democratic propaganda throughout the Cold War, a program fostered between the private corporations which own the media, advertising, marketing, and public relations industries, and the state itself.
CONTINUED...
http://truth-out.org/news/item/15784-the-propaganda-system-that-has-helped-create-a-permanent-overclass-is-over-a-century-in-the-making
Thankfully, to help spread light when the protectors of the First Amendment won't, Maria Galardin's TUC (Time of Useful Consciousness) Radio. The podcast helps explain how we got here and what we need to do to move forward, starting with putting the "Public" into Airwaves again:
Alex Carey: Corporations and Propaganda
The Attack on Democracy
The 20th century, said Carey, is marked by three historic developments: the growth of democracy via the expansion of the franchise, the growth of corporations, and the growth of propaganda to protect corporations from democracy. Carey wrote that the people of the US have been subjected to an unparalleled, expensive, 3/4 century long propaganda effort designed to expand corporate rights by undermining democracy and destroying the unions. And, in his manuscript, unpublished during his life time, he described that history, going back to World War I and ending with the Reagan era. Carey covers the little known role of the US Chamber of Commerce in the McCarthy witch hunts of post WWII and shows how the continued campaign against "Big Government" plays an important role in bringing Reagan to power.
John Pilger called Carey "a second Orwell", Noam Chomsky dedicated his book, Manufacturing Consent, to him. And even though TUC Radio runs our documentary based on Carey's manuscript at least every two years and draws a huge response each time, Alex Carey is still unknown.
Given today's spotlight on corporations that may change. It is not only the Occupy movement that inspired me to present this program again at this time. By an amazing historic coincidence Bill Moyers and Charlie Cray of Greenpeace have just added the missing chapter to Carey's analysis. Carey's manuscript ends in 1988 when he committed suicide. Moyers and Cray begin with 1971 and bring the corporate propaganda project up to date.
This is a fairly complex production with many voices, historic sound clips, and source material. The program has been used by writers and students of history and propaganda. Alex Carey: Taking the Risk out of Democracy, Corporate Propaganda VS Freedom and Liberty with a foreword by Noam Chomsky was published by the University of Illinois Press in 1995.
SOURCE: http://tucradio.org/new.html
If you find a moment, here's the first part (scroll down at the link for the second part) on Carey.
http://tucradio.org/AlexCarey_ONE.mp3
It's important for there to be more than a handful of companies providing "news." As you so well know, my esteemed colleague nashville_brook, Democracy depends on it.
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I tried to warn those around me of these sleezy low grade criminals, I was ridiculed
AuntPatsy
Jul 2015
#14
And in fact one of the things I have noticed on MSNBC is that they are doing exactly that. If they
jwirr
Jul 2015
#98
You are trying to smear him for defending justice. He clearly is not defending Mr. Cosby.
rhett o rick
Jul 2015
#57
Smear him? His hypocrisy on Cosby versus pronouncing the BFEE guilty is staggering
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#62
I'll bet if we did searches we would find hundreds of examples when he accused folks of things
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#192
How many more do you need? We have already mentioned Bush, Cheney and the BFEE. Isn't that enough?
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#210
This is the kind of debater you are. Half a dozen to a dozen of us have provided you several
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#218
Oh yes, he is, and he is asserting a standard he never applies elsewhere. It's obvious.
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#91
Thank you, marym625. Looking back, I admire the overall work as a most splendid smear.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#26
Well said sir. You, and those that speak the truth will always be a target.
rhett o rick
Jul 2015
#67
Hail Bartcop Hail Octafish If the world was fair Joni Ernst would be folding breadbags this summer.
IADEMO2004
Jul 2015
#6
Thanks to the alerter for the explanation and the indication of a big problem
rhett o rick
Jul 2015
#54
The whole S&L crisis and Neil Bush's role in it has been allowed to drop into the memory hole!
LongTomH
Jul 2015
#116
JEB's own role in the S&L thing was overshadowed, if possible, by SILVERADO Neil.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#139
And he didn't directly address the issue that this OP is really about. The OP is manipulation
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#56
You claim Foley is guilty- but that statute of limitations ran out too. Same shit, different story
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#170
And with his response to you, down you go down the rabbit hole. He's even telling you what you
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#120
OMG, and he did it to Sid just above. Exactly the kind of crap I said he does.
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#81
Yes, of course that's what my comment means. Strawman much? Actually calling that a strawman is
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#83
Right. Like 'taking some piece of what the person actually said and twisting it' isn't what you did.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#88
Nope, and several other folks agreed that is the upshot of what you wrote. nt
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#89
'Make the comparison between his positions on Cosby and the BFEE and he accuses you of supporting...
Octafish
Jul 2015
#92
Here, you accused me of supporting the BFEE. "Stick with the BFEE Stevenleser"
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#94
Yeah. Like where I've asked you up and down this thread to show where I'm wrong.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#274
Repeating the same strawman over and over doesn't make it correct, stevenleser.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#78
This OP and the links I provided where folks can read the other comments is all the evidence I need.
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#79
How VP Poppy Bush of CIA got real big when Pruneface Raygun was ''Head Honcho''
Octafish
Jul 2015
#95
You're one of the most right-on DU'ers of all. I treasure your posts, and the knowlege behind them.
NBachers
Jul 2015
#19
Ha I have connections to both Bushes and Smedly Butler (my Grandfather met and admired him).
gordianot
Jul 2015
#27
My kids never heard of Butler from school before 2004, I made sure they did.
gordianot
Jul 2015
#103
Odd my relative met his cousin Bush on his Grandfathers oil field in Kansas.
gordianot
Jul 2015
#183
Some never get the opportunity. Remember GOP US Attorney John David R. Atchison?
Octafish
Jul 2015
#141
I remember the case being posted here, and the Repubs being upset about it being their team again
Hydra
Jul 2015
#187
A lot of them settled in Huntsville, helping the Army build rockets, boosters, and what-all.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#194
There's a lot of child preadators and serial adulterers popping up in the GOP lately.
Initech
Jul 2015
#37
Strange how quickly the 'media' forget. Remember that nice juvie Judge in business with the prisons?
Octafish
Jul 2015
#206
The Machine: Taking the Risk out of Democracy, Corporate Propaganda vs Freedom & Liberty
Octafish
Jul 2015
#200
BFEE judge Silberman compared people who say ''Bush lied America into war'' to NAZIs.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#203
Bush gave coin to Goldstar mother and said: ''Don't go selling it on e-Bay.''
Octafish
Jul 2015
#289
Key to present day: Secret Service didn't like African Americans in 1963. Ask Agent Abraham Bolden.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#295
Post on, My Friend, post on! The BFEE and their sycophants are endemic of the fetid rot that...
Raster
Jul 2015
#72
''No man but a blockhead ever wrote except for money.'' -- Dr. Samuel Johnson.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#304
That's a sign, an inability to focus on the point and a talent to promote the freak show.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#305
Exactly. Par from the course with him. And debates with him are like going down the rabbit hole
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#101
I've got your back, and I always will. A small handful of dead-enders can make lots of noise.
DisgustipatedinCA
Jul 2015
#127
Of course it's a conspiracy, using position and power to enrich one's cronies.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#138
LOL! Anything to say about what I actually wrote -- on this thread or anywhere?
Octafish
Jul 2015
#143
When you figure it out let me know. I've been down the rabbit hole with him on this for two days now
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#146
Justice demands prosecution of traitors, war criminals, mass murderers, war profiteers and thieves.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#162
apparently serial rapists are easy to ignore- women don't rate as important enough to get justice
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#176
Exactly- Octafish gets to judge who is criminal- the rest of us should STFU. Unless we agree!
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#175
you posted about Foley - crimes not found- as guilty but just cannot say it about Cosby, LOL....
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#179
'Florida closes Foley investigation without charges" so by your Cosby standards, also innocent.
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#185
As is the much testimony against Cosby, his lies and confession of employing drugs.
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#201
And note he wrote "Unlike you" accusing you of not finding the evidence against Foley compelling
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#212
Yeah, most of his replies have nothing to do with his dislike of calling Cos a rapist.
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#213
And he again asked upthread to provide examples of when he has accused other people of stuff
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#215
Lol, anything to deflect how he is basically a traitor to womankind. Society deserves protection....
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#216
So now I'm a ''traitor to womankind''? Nice smear, bettyellen. Guess that's the best you can do...
Octafish
Jul 2015
#229
And we can't get through to him. He uses all these weird defense mechanisms instead of listening.
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#243
I though Foley's case had "no criminal finding" so he's no more guilty than your BFF, Cosby....
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#165
Florida dropped the case on grounds of ''insufficient evidence'' meaning GOP Congress covered up.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#181
LOL, and no one covered for Cosby. Sounds like two innocent lambs with conspiracy theories
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#186
No one accused you or "covering it up"? WTF? He wasn't found guilty- so he's not guilty according to your
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#193
Octafish, I love you. You obviously care enough to dig deep and hard towards
AikidoSoul
Jul 2015
#167
nope, you have that exactly backwards. His hypocrisy on Bill Cosby is somehow OK because he hates
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#220
I'm not a Fox employee. So I can say anything I want. And we have proved you wrong dozens of times
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#225
You want me to publicly speculate on a nonexistent job offer? Yeah, that would be a good idea.
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#233
Nope, there are half a dozen of us pointing out the same thing, so its not me. Nice try though. nt
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#227
There are no Fox News Contributors on DU. At least none that I am aware of. There are guests
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#214
By the way, am permalinking and sending this to my journal for reference to your ad hominems
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#228
So those screen grabs are of someone with the same name as you who looks like you 3 times?
Octafish
Jul 2015
#265
At least you've now moved the goalposts to where you are not accusing me of being an employee
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#281
Oh and in other words, you are accusing me of something here, but can't accuse Cosby.
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#251
Lol, right? Jumping right into a conflict with another DUer isn't remotely suspicious
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#268
Yes, Dennis is a contributor, a paid employee of that network. I'm just a guest. nt
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#237
And I and every other Democrat on this site agrees that Bush is a lying, asshole
BainsBane
Jul 2015
#248
They don't care about the women, like you said its a game to them about personalities on DU.
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#246
I did a big piece on rape culture in 2013 with Marcotte and I should show you the stats on that show
stevenleser
Jul 2015
#250