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2. Did you *NOT* just read the story that I did?

Reply to pnwmom (Reply #1)

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 03:09 AM

Jul 2015

Because if you can have that opinion after reading that article, I'm speechless.

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The Latest Snowden Leak Is Devastating to NSA Defenders [View all] Ichingcarpenter Jul 2015 OP

Right. So instead of going to Bernie Sanders or another trusted Senator about this, pnwmom Jul 2015 #1

Did you *NOT* just read the story that I did? Aerows Jul 2015 #2

Why couldn't he have gone to Bernie Sanders instead of dumping these files with Wikileaks? pnwmom Jul 2015 #3

What could any senator have done if Snowden had gone to them? JDPriestly Jul 2015 #19

Under the Whistleblowers Protection Act....both the Senator and Snowden msanthrope Jul 2015 #52

The Whistleblower Protection Act does not apply to intelligence employees. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #66

Yes.....it does.....you have the wrong law...... msanthrope Jul 2015 #67

Here is the ACLU's answer to your comment. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #122

But of course the ACLU is wrong and that poster is always right so you lose. Or something. BeanMusical Jul 2015 #125

What does SMH mean? JDPriestly Jul 2015 #139

Oh sorry, using too many acronyms. It means Shaking My Head. BeanMusical Jul 2015 #141

Thanks. New to me. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #143

The ACLU also wrote an amicus supporting Citizen's United....and here, they agree with me msanthrope Jul 2015 #177

I love it how you think that calling him "Comrade Eddie" is somehow shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #198

Nothing illustrates how empty the so-called "Whistleblower Protection" laws really are more than . . markpkessinger Jul 2015 #191

Legal opinion is split on the matter . . . markpkessinger Jul 2015 #199

Legal opinion is split on the matter, but here's the thing..... msanthrope Jul 2015 #201

I don't accept that being a whistleblower means becoming a legal martyr . . . markpkessinger Jul 2015 #209

Actually that's exactly what it means.......too bad Comrade Eddie didn't have her courage: msanthrope Jul 2015 #210

No . . . markpkessinger Jul 2015 #211

As if the Whistleblowers Protection Act protects. cui bono Jul 2015 #109

Can you document Snowden giving information... bvar22 Jul 2015 #110

"he just gave the info to Russia, China" BeanMusical Jul 2015 #120

I thought it was parody at first Ichingcarpenter Jul 2015 #4

Where did you come up with the idea that anyone is blaming Sanders? pnwmom Jul 2015 #12

How exactly -could- Sanders have done anything? Shamash Jul 2015 #25

Um, Congress creates legislation. They conduct investigations. randome Jul 2015 #33

Um, right. Shamash Jul 2015 #35

You do not steal national security docs, flee the country and hand over info to foreign nationals. randome Jul 2015 #36

Send me some mail if you decide to answer my question, otherwise we're done Shamash Jul 2015 #40

Where have we gotten during the past two years? randome Jul 2015 #41

Do you think we the people would be better off had there not have been a Snowden? rhett o rick Jul 2015 #78

Are you happy about the fact that we live in a police state? JDPriestly Jul 2015 #92

Deliriously happy. randome Jul 2015 #160

"Deliriously happy." BeanMusical Jul 2015 #166

I guess this means you were on board with the Bush/Cheney admin when this mass spying on US sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #107

Foreign nationals do not enjoy our Constitutional privileges. randome Jul 2015 #126

Additional safeguards against secrets JonLP24 Jul 2015 #155

I'm not going to take the time to address every point. randome Jul 2015 #161

The point I was addressing these safeguards or whatever things to keep them in check had any power JonLP24 Jul 2015 #163

Lol. ronnie624 Jul 2015 #195

Like with Kriakou? Look it up. Congress is powerless to protect its witnesses. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #91

Kriakou did us all a world of good. He also lied to get his book published. randome Jul 2015 #132

The Founding Fathers warned us against foreign entanglements for a reason. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #138

This is on US the CIA mostly JonLP24 Jul 2015 #156

Thanks. Eisenhower became enamoured with intelligence because the ENIGMA and JDPriestly Jul 2015 #157

And don't forget Truman's 1963 Washington Post Op-Ed markpkessinger Jul 2015 #188

Yes. Thanks for your post. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #190

America is not the answer to everything. But we have done more good than harm, IMO. randome Jul 2015 #159

"More good than harm. . ." markpkessinger Jul 2015 #196

You know what could have been a better route? He could have gone to A Simple Game Jul 2015 #121

Um, Snowden has given us a chance to be aware tavalon Jul 2015 #32

Sunlight is the best disinfectant davidn3600 Jul 2015 #38

If Snowden went to Congress, there would have been just as much sunlight as now. randome Jul 2015 #39

no it is not questionseverything Jul 2015 #42

If you obtain a target's email, you will always get information that does not belong to him/her. randome Jul 2015 #46

I'll stand with Snowden, Greenwald, ....and THIS guy: bvar22 Jul 2015 #175

A total non-sequitur. Nothing that Snowden stole shows that the NSA is spying on us. randome Jul 2015 #204

Did you bother to read the OP? bvar22 Jul 2015 #208

+1000 nt Mojorabbit Jul 2015 #57

No, at BEST this would have been handled behind closed doors and the public would have still been hughee99 Jul 2015 #63

Sanders would have hid this behind closed doors? Warren? Udall? randome Jul 2015 #89

Even those people aren't going to hold PUBLIC hughee99 Jul 2015 #100

They can't even go public about details of the TPP and you think they could A Simple Game Jul 2015 #123

He would have had to do so . . . markpkessinger Jul 2015 #197

It was months after his escape that Snowden claimed he had tried to go through channels. randome Jul 2015 #203

He did exactly the right thing. Btw, you are aware, are you not, that several other Whistle Blowers sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #48

^^^ THIS ^^^ cantbeserious Jul 2015 #76

+1000 BeanMusical Jul 2015 #105

+10 840high Jul 2015 #114

this post wins retrowire Jul 2015 #152

That is the point. Octafish Jul 2015 #162

I'm glad he didn't go to a senator and released it publicly instead LittleBlue Jul 2015 #70

Had he done as you suggest, it's my opinion that he'd be in solitary confinement, most rhett o rick Jul 2015 #84

I checked the weather report on my Yahoo account this morning. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #97

Those that choose to close their eyes to the un-Constitutional spying are rhett o rick Jul 2015 #108

J. Edgar Hoover had an incredible amount of very detailed files on an impressive number of people. BeanMusical Jul 2015 #124

Blackmail is a very useful tool and there is no reason to believe that the current, uncontrolled rhett o rick Jul 2015 #148

Absolutely, and on a much bigger scale than old Edgar did, I'm afraid. BeanMusical Jul 2015 #165

OK. Time for conspiracy theories. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #142

I've tried to make the point with some of our conservative friends (?) that this power can be used rhett o rick Jul 2015 #147

My suspicion precisely. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #153

Yes I agree. nm rhett o rick Jul 2015 #168

WTH? 840high Jul 2015 #112

The Constitution requires probable cause for a search and seizure. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #5

Um, no. msanthrope Jul 2015 #15

What are you saying no to? With what in my post do you disagree? JDPriestly Jul 2015 #20

The Constitution does not require probable cause for a search in all msanthrope Jul 2015 #50

Jurisprudence that is not based on a reading of the text of the Constitution. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #88

It's own budget. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #27

This is the great missed point. "What is the NSA defending if not the Constitution?" Enthusiast Jul 2015 #29

They violated the 4th Amendment rights of every US Citizen and until someone is held accountable for sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #49

Actually the snooping started long ago. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #90

I don't know Caretha Jul 2015 #127

What's interesting is, that when the mass spying using the telecoms by the Bush regime was exposed sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #128

Easy answer. The NSA/CIA Dark Security State work to protect the Oligarchs. rhett o rick Jul 2015 #87

Constitution? We don't need no stinkin' Constitution. OnyxCollie Jul 2015 #144

Gobbldygook. Meaningless chatter and justification. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #146

I do not support Snowden Dwayne Hicks Jul 2015 #6

Authoritarian types never like Snowden. Katashi_itto Jul 2015 #10

Touch�. Persecute the citizen to protect the state. tblue Jul 2015 #13

It's characteristic of any authoritarian government. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #31

It's part and parcel of ANY nation state nolabels Jul 2015 #212

+1! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #30

So "authoritarian" means treestar Jul 2015 #55

Ah an anti Snowden type. Other Various Fascist Regimes have the rule of law too. Katashi_itto Jul 2015 #60

No fascists regimes do not have a rule of law treestar Jul 2015 #94

"Fascist regimes do not have the rule of law...."well at least we know you have no idea what your Katashi_itto Jul 2015 #102

what we mean by the rule of law is treestar Jul 2015 #103

Right...tell me what happened with the Bush Criminal Empire again? Katashi_itto Jul 2015 #104

No one is above the law. Just ask General Petraeus . . . markpkessinger Jul 2015 #192

It's sort of a Hobby Lobby Corollary, treestar. randome Jul 2015 #83

Exactly. BillZBubb Jul 2015 #79

Specifically what information was harmful? NorthCarolinaL Jul 2015 #14

What "potential" harm? Which lives did he put "at risk?" merrily Jul 2015 #16

Supporters of the STASI in East Germany did not like whistleblowers either. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #21

lol East Germany had a whistleblower protection act? treestar Jul 2015 #56

The Whistleblower Protection Act does not apply to many intelligence employees. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #61

I wish to see Snowden lauded and decorated. John Poet Jul 2015 #24

In charge of shutting it down? nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #28

whistleblowers are just so terrible, making it so hard for the "serious people" magical thyme Jul 2015 #26

Snowden is a hero and did exactly the right thing. What do you think he should have done, what all sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #51

+1000 BillZBubb Jul 2015 #80

^^^^^^ lordsummerisle Jul 2015 #113

Dwayne, you are poorly informed. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #98

Wikileaks? Hissyspit Jul 2015 #149

Some people don't see the big picture, like you! Nt Logical Jul 2015 #151

"Treason" under U.S. law is not anybody's matter of opinion markpkessinger Jul 2015 #193

all the hi tech NSA spying cant spy on white bonniebgood Jul 2015 #7

Sure didn't prevent the Boston Marathon bombers, either, despite specific tips. merrily Jul 2015 #18

Because the NSA is forbidden by law from monitoring American citizens. randome Jul 2015 #34

And also think4yourself Jul 2015 #140

i said it wrong but you get my point. nt bonniebgood Jul 2015 #8

Great finn, Ichingcarpenter vlakitti Jul 2015 #9

What's all this Wikileaks nonsense? Kablooie Jul 2015 #11

Pathetic attempts to distract from the issue reorg Jul 2015 #69

IMO, focusing on Snowden removes focus from the US Govt and the 4th Amendment, where it should be. merrily Jul 2015 #17

Ten thousand TARGETED out of seven billion people? My 4th Amendment rights quiver with fear! randome Jul 2015 #22

doesn't the article say: druidity33 Jul 2015 #44

Yeah, I misread that part. randome Jul 2015 #47

plus, heartbreaks and religious conversions treestar Jul 2015 #58

God forbid that any of the people should become well known. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #99

You misread pretty much everything reorg Jul 2015 #62

That ones never met a government agency they didn't like. Rex Jul 2015 #65

I've been here since 2001. Zero posts on DU3 is simply wrong. randome Jul 2015 #72

What was your DU1 name? Caretha Jul 2015 #131

It was randome (pronounced RAN-dohm). Now it's randome (pronouned RAN-doh-may). randome Jul 2015 #136

So what is 160,000 communications out of the hundreds of billions of yearly communications? randome Jul 2015 #74

It's the sample analyzed by the WP reorg Jul 2015 #77

Then there is no evidence that there is more. Or that this sample was obtained illegally. randome Jul 2015 #81

Yes, there is evidence, and yes, it was obtained illegally reorg Jul 2015 #93

So if a woman in the U.S. sends a photo of a toddler in a bathtub to a foreign suspect... randome Jul 2015 #135

no, this is about surveillance under FISA reorg Jul 2015 #176

So how would anyone monitor only one individual in a chat room? randome Jul 2015 #179

that's exactly the problem reorg Jul 2015 #200

Funny you ignore the fact that they did something illegal and pass off 10k people as nothing. Rex Jul 2015 #64

What is illegal about collecting foreign communications? randome Jul 2015 #73

If that is the best defense that you have Aerows Jul 2015 #75

It's the NSA's job to analyze foreign communications. randome Jul 2015 #86

Using classification as a means of hiding conduct that is illegal . . . markpkessinger Jul 2015 #194

That was never Snowden's concern until deep into his exile. randome Jul 2015 #202

Define mass Caretha Jul 2015 #130

So long as the NSA does not spy on American citizens, they are following the law. randome Jul 2015 #137

You contradict yourself Caretha Jul 2015 #180

By 'spy', I mean deliberately target an American citizen. randome Jul 2015 #185

No doubt many people predicate their rights on playing the Vegas odds. LanternWaste Jul 2015 #207

The NSA is an agency full of CRIMINALS. John Poet Jul 2015 #23

The blackmail component of the NSA spying is also summarily dismissed, yet look at the obvious GoneFishin Jul 2015 #37

This is such an important point. If its OK for the NSA to snoop on foreign and domestic JDPriestly Jul 2015 #101

All true. We are now the 1960s Russia which we were told was inferior to America, land of the free, GoneFishin Jul 2015 #181

And tragicomically, as evidenced by some of the responses, they'll find a way to defend it...... marmar Jul 2015 #43

I thought they were pro's, and all that power wouldn't get misused? Babel_17 Jul 2015 #45

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #53

If true, no one care about that stuff treestar Jul 2015 #54

The article says a woman was contacted by a reporter. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2015 #59

And did this woman have some sort of connection -direct or otherwise- to a foreign suspect? randome Jul 2015 #85

Guess you forgot Caretha Jul 2015 #182

No one has accused her of anything so innocence or guilt is irrelevant. randome Jul 2015 #184

I suppose the reporter found it because Eddie dumped it out there treestar Jul 2015 #96

They don't possess the scruples to be devastated by the truth n/t whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #68

In Snowden's Wake: New Book Examines Needed Intelligence Reforms (Spencer Brignac 7-7-15 Project On bobthedrummer Jul 2015 #71

Like climate change deniers, no facts will influence the NSA groupies. BillZBubb Jul 2015 #82

And a significant overlap with the BOG and hillarians Doctor_J Jul 2015 #95

45 years here. It is sad. 840high Jul 2015 #115

Great analogy! BeanMusical Jul 2015 #106

So how has all this affected you. timdog44 Jul 2015 #111

No words. At least, none that wouldn't get me an alert and time off. Maedhros Jul 2015 #129

You misunderstand. Period timdog44 Jul 2015 #170

For fucks sake man navarth Jul 2015 #134

show some fucking class will you timdog44 Jul 2015 #171

Crap apologism. Nt Hissyspit Jul 2015 #150

You misunderstand. timdog44 Jul 2015 #172

"The Latest Snowden Leak" cstanleytech Jul 2015 #116

I mentioned it was an old story in my first post but no one wanted to address that. randome Jul 2015 #117

Oh I kinda doubt is is actual silent, he is probably singing like a canary for the Russians because cstanleytech Jul 2015 #119

"he is probably singing like a canary for the Russians" BeanMusical Jul 2015 #145

Word of the day is ............"probably". cstanleytech Jul 2015 #154

Posted JUL 7, 2014. Happy one year birthday to this article! Number23 Jul 2015 #118

Is this the LBN forum? elias49 Jul 2015 #164

So fucking what? BeanMusical Jul 2015 #167

Thank you for proving my point better than I ever could Number23 Jul 2015 #178

See post 164, this is a discussion site, people have been discussing. BeanMusical Jul 2015 #186

Not one thing you've said refutes anything I've said. In fact, not one thing you've said even Number23 Jul 2015 #187

I can see that you are angry. BeanMusical Jul 2015 #205

I'd vote for this guy. V0ltairesGh0st Jul 2015 #133

From what I have gathered from the folks Aerows Jul 2015 #158

From what I see an what you see timdog44 Jul 2015 #169

holy crap Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 #173

Will it interfere with their 2 minutes of love for Big Brother? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2015 #174

Ron Cobb. navarth Jul 2015 #189

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #183

"Greenwald's fuck-buddy" BeanMusical Jul 2015 #206