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Igel

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24. I'll be sure to spit on the next Vietnam vet I see.

Sat Jul 11, 2015, 12:04 PM

Jul 2015

After all, we lost.

I'd also point out that the people who were enslaved had also lost. Those who engaged in slave uprisings should be held in contempt and disgrace.

Really, let each group memorialize their dead. Many war memorials aren't just to the winning side, but to all those who died in the war under question.

It's been 160 years. I knew people who lost friends and family in WWII, who fought in those wars and were shot at and even wounded, who had more sympathy for former German and Japanese soldiers than many "liberals" have for kids who died 150 years ago. I've known German concentration camp survivors who managed to deal with and mourn the dead on all sides--those in the camps as well as the German kids on the front lines. They reserved their hatred for those who gave the orders, well aware that some of those who staffed the camps had the choice of being brutal to them or being killed themselves. Anything you personally experienced during the Civil War happened a long time ago and it's time to let it go--and if you weren't there then the vicarious hate is a bit overmuch, and probably less about the war than about a symbol, less about history and more about personal grievances or grievances felt to be personal.

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The South Lost [View all] martalcd Jul 2015 OP

Nobody "won"... kentuck Jul 2015 #1

and, that's the very sad truth. In_The_Wind Jul 2015 #2

Millions of enslaved people won their freedom. Warren Stupidity Jul 2015 #4

^THIS! nt LostOne4Ever Jul 2015 #17

Yes! BillZBubb Jul 2015 #75

Define freedom. Glassunion Jul 2015 #80

True. kentuck Jul 2015 #81

Indeed. Glassunion Jul 2015 #84

Not a chattel slave. Warren Stupidity Jul 2015 #86

Well we did go from chattel to indentured Glassunion Jul 2015 #90

Actually for about 10 years reconstruction worked. Warren Stupidity Jul 2015 #91

Yes somebody did underpants Jul 2015 #7

Exactly. Winner/Loser utterly childish. Nothing snagglepuss Jul 2015 #8

Exactly. Octafish Jul 2015 #31

+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #128

My g grandpa was a sargent in Shelby's Cavalry. He was from Missouri and heard his father had died roguevalley Jul 2015 #39

+1 n/t jaysunb Jul 2015 #126

I have to STRONGLY disagree. BillZBubb Jul 2015 #74

I'm with you tabasco Jul 2015 #97

+10000 n/t Euphoria Jul 2015 #123

40,000,000 people died in WWII edhopper Jul 2015 #111

�(T)he blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword� DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #113

Gettysburg and Antietam are not sacred and hallowed ground because of who won Algernon Moncrieff Jul 2015 #121

+1 Enthusiast Jul 2015 #127

Would you honor the dead soldiers from the Vietnam War ? still_one Jul 2015 #3

Germany does not allow the display of the nazi flag. Warren Stupidity Jul 2015 #6

That is not what I said. I was specifically addressing the OP whose contention was still_one Jul 2015 #9

Those were wars on foreign soil... martalcd Jul 2015 #22

Maybe you should watch Ken Burns documentary on the civil war still_one Jul 2015 #32

I've rewatched Ken Burns "Civil War" many times... martalcd Jul 2015 #70

Where did I say anything about preserving that flag? In fact just the opposite still_one Jul 2015 #79

One country? USA vs CSA. That is the Confederate States of America - a country with its own jwirr Jul 2015 #36

The CSA never legally existed. n/t Gore1FL Jul 2015 #50

Well they certainly thought they did. jwirr Jul 2015 #56

Nonsense. The CSA was a legal fiction. nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #57

those wars just don't compare treestar Jul 2015 #21

Old generations die out and with them their old ways? It has been 150 years. I do not think the jwirr Jul 2015 #33

If that is the thought behind their flag displays, no one should be mad when Nazi flags fly or roguevalley Jul 2015 #40

Germans don't honor dead Nazis Matrosov Jul 2015 #47

They mourn that sheen of nobility Mopar151 Jul 2015 #5

Just more South bashing. oneshooter Jul 2015 #10

I know. cwydro Jul 2015 #19

The ones... quickesst Jul 2015 #34

Let's see anyone win an election without the South. I am not talking the flag, most still_one Jul 2015 #82

how is it bashing treestar Jul 2015 #23

You might want to proofread your post lol. cwydro Jul 2015 #35

What's wrong with the post? ybbor Jul 2015 #62

Yep. treestar Jul 2015 #88

they are very sensitive indeed, yes? Skittles Jul 2015 #117

Why is it considered "South Bashing" Nac Mac Feegle Jul 2015 #30

Ann Coulter act???? CherokeeDem Jul 2015 #64

awww, poor south heaven05 Jul 2015 #38

Ah poor you. South been so mean to you npk Jul 2015 #92

I guess all those lynchings of our family members was nice? bravenak Jul 2015 #94

Did the entire south lynch your family. npk Jul 2015 #95

of course not. They also did nothing to stop it. Promoted lynchings, really. bravenak Jul 2015 #96

How do you know "they" did nothing to stop it npk Jul 2015 #98

Well, when I see photos of lynchings there are usually about 50 to 150- bravenak Jul 2015 #99

Do you see anybody trying to stop it??? I sure the hell don't. bravenak Jul 2015 #100

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #102

I never said they did. You did. bravenak Jul 2015 #103

... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #106

THANK YOU!!!!! bravenak Jul 2015 #107

... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #110

Me neither. It's fucking sad. bravenak Jul 2015 #112

... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #114

Beautiful!! bravenak Jul 2015 #115

A lot did and some died heaven05 Jul 2015 #108

not recently heaven05 Jul 2015 #109

Born in the South with roots that go way back. safeinOhio Jul 2015 #68

I do not care. Texasgal Jul 2015 #11

That's just great, martalcd, Jawja Jul 2015 #12

I'm a long-time member of the DU... martalcd Jul 2015 #18

I haven't been here as long as you Omaha Steve Jul 2015 #133

No, the Confederacy lost Report1212 Jul 2015 #13

Thank you. Jawja Jul 2015 #15

Most everyone is sick of it. cwydro Jul 2015 #20

here here. those poor souls murdered in Charleston were southerners. nt arely staircase Jul 2015 #27

Exactly and most southerners agree. All it takes is a loud minority to keep a fight going. jwirr Jul 2015 #43

that's a good distinction. treestar Jul 2015 #89

Who knew that the last battle of that war would be fought Baitball Blogger Jul 2015 #14

Apparently not Man from Pickens Jul 2015 #16

^^^ THIS ^^^ cantbeserious Jul 2015 #101

strange Skittles Jul 2015 #119

let me tell you a little story Man from Pickens Jul 2015 #124

saying what the damage is, that is one thing Skittles Jul 2015 #129

why not? Man from Pickens Jul 2015 #130

OMG Skittles Jul 2015 #131

Amazing how that happens Man from Pickens Jul 2015 #132

I'll be sure to spit on the next Vietnam vet I see. Igel Jul 2015 #24

nope heaven05 Jul 2015 #29

Do you know how American prisoners were treated by the Japanese? cwydro Jul 2015 #41

I know a lot of what you just posted heaven05 Jul 2015 #44

Mm. cwydro Jul 2015 #46

they don't have to talk about heaven05 Jul 2015 #54

You really have no idea what you're talking about. cwydro Jul 2015 #60

heh, heaven05 Jul 2015 #67

Nice. cwydro Jul 2015 #87

Not attacking heaven05 Jul 2015 #116

Northerners and New Englanders recognized the brutality of slavery and abolished it... George II Jul 2015 #71

You're talking about the neo-confederate movement haikugal Jul 2015 #52

thank you heaven05 Jul 2015 #58

Oh my gosh. cwydro Jul 2015 #37

We can all mourn the dead of wars on both sides, even concentration camp survivors mourn... George II Jul 2015 #45

damn heaven05 Jul 2015 #59

As a white(ish) southerner, I hate that flag and despise the confederacy and everything it stood for arely staircase Jul 2015 #25

thank god, the union(north) did win heaven05 Jul 2015 #26

well i doubt there would still be slavery -probably more of an Aparthied type nation arely staircase Jul 2015 #28

The Confederacy was probably the biggest threat to the survival of the United States in our.... George II Jul 2015 #42

Agree - is there any country in history that allowed a flag they had defeated to fly throughout jwirr Jul 2015 #49

Well, the flags of countries that continue to exist after we defeated them do fly*, but.... George II Jul 2015 #73

Yes. jwirr Jul 2015 #76

That war had no winners LittleBlue Jul 2015 #48

The former slaves and future slaves, if the racist South won....they do not count!? Got it! Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #51

Yeah, Fred. That's exactly what I meant LittleBlue Jul 2015 #61

That is exactly what you said..."that war had no winners"....but, yes, it did. Refuse to see it, free country Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #63

Yeah because that's what I meant LittleBlue Jul 2015 #65

"I did not mean to say what I said"? All righty, then....."delete" can be your friend, mistakes happen. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #72

This. historylovr Jul 2015 #55

The slaves who were freed were the winners. Deadshot Jul 2015 #69

The people of the south shockey80 Jul 2015 #53

Southern people can be the best Drama Queens in the book. They wallow in misery like it's ... BlueJazz Jul 2015 #66

The south DIDN'T LOSE. Not entirely. They didn't get their own country, but they got to keep their slaves and slavery... Moonwalk Jul 2015 #77

As did the Native Americans... Phentex Jul 2015 #78

Shhhhhh, let's not bring up the Native American genocide. Whose idea was it to give blankets from still_one Jul 2015 #93

Agreed but some people will never rest until they get the last word tymorial Jul 2015 #105

You should disconnect the South from the Confederacy. Glassunion Jul 2015 #83

As Lincoln said.. kentuck Jul 2015 #85

I'm ready for this to be over any day now tymorial Jul 2015 #104

The only reason that war lasted so long was because of the best Confederate General. MohRokTah Jul 2015 #118

This is the BEST shit-stirring post I've seen in AGES. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #120

Can you imagine someone flying the S. Vietnamese flag in jaysunb Jul 2015 #122

Wow, have a little empathy. How many people in the South actually owned slaves? rhett o rick Jul 2015 #125

BS, the South was fighting to keep slaves. Empathy with whom? akbacchus_BC Jul 2015 #136

I am glad the flag came down also. But I do not like the rubbing salt in the wound of the South's rhett o rick Jul 2015 #137

Now do some research frustrated_lefty Jul 2015 #134

Put a Mexican Flag over the Alamo, after all they did WIN Jim Beard Jul 2015 #135

Countries who go through civil wars carry those scars nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #138