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In reply to the discussion: White Fragility: Why It’s So Hard to Talk to White People About Racism [View all]JustAnotherGen
(37,893 posts)69. okay - so you aren' t familiar with where this OP came from - context is everything
I'll share with you - you are still fairly new at DU - so the best approach when you aren't familiar with 'what's going on' is to ask.
Serena Williams Drinks, Bathes In, And Makes Lemonade With White Tears
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026969528
This thread is a spin off of that thread from yesterday. It's the next step in a conversation.
Now - since you probably aren't aware of the blog that KamaAna posted from yesterday - The guys there also did this post:
White Tears, Explained, For White People Who Dont Get It
http://verysmartbrothas.com/white-tears-explained-for-white-people-who-dont-get-it/
From the article:
So, what does White Tears mean? Where does it come from?
White Tears is phrase to describe what happens when certain types of White people either complain about a nonexistent racial injustice or are upset by a non-White persons success at the expense of a White person. It encompasses (and makes fun of) the performative struggle to acknowledge the existence of White privilege, and the reality that it aint always gonna go unchecked.
A nationally prominent example of this is Fisher v. University of Texas, a court case that basically boils down to a slightly above average White woman upset her slightly above-averageness aint granting her the birthright privileges she believes she deserves. Instead of banging a gavel, the judge presiding over this case should just shake a Dasani bottle full of Abigail Fishers tears.
Again, this doesnt apply to all White people. Just the type whod be frustrated that a person like Serena is dominating tennis
Only a bigot would be upset about Serena Williams dominating tennis - get it now?
It's easy for a white person to in America to 'rise above it all'.
We can't just rise above it HFRN - You might be able to. But I have a nephew that just started a job at an investment firm (hedge fund) in Manhattan last month. He's 22 - he's a 'smart brotha'. But that doesn't matter to racist with a gun and a chip on their shoulder because he worked hard and beat them at the game of life in America. On the internet - he can laugh about 'white tears' - but when confronted face to face by Zimmerman type - he will be shot and made out to be a thug and a lowlife - and the Zimmerman type will get support for being a mediocre loser who can't even keep a relationship for more than five minutes. . .from white racists.
If a couple of very smart brothas offend you with the words they use - perhaps you could reach out to them and offer to guest post on their blog - to better explain to them why their words are wrong and they should focus on the words - as opposed to their VERY REAL EXPERIENCE in America - that white racists really need to hear.
Here's some other blog posts by the very smart brothas - they are equal opportunity 'make fun of-ers'
50 Cent Is The Worst Type Of Person: Powerful And Petty
*this is a rapper who recently filed bankruptcy - he's kind of a massive jackass
http://verysmartbrothas.com/50-cent-is-the-worst-type-of-person-powerful-and-petty/
VSB Roundtable: The One Where We Talk About Camille Cosby
*Camille Cosby is the wife of Bill Cosby. Bill Cosby is a comedian who has had several successful network shows. They go back and forth about denial being more than a river in Egypt
http://verysmartbrothas.com/vsb-roundtable-the-one-where-we-talk-about-camille-cosby/
Bill Cosby, Dirty And Guilty Old Shit, Admits To Being A Dirty And Guilty Old Shit
*See above - for who Bill Cosby is
http://verysmartbrothas.com/bill-cosby-dirty-and-guilty-old-shit-admits-to-being-a-dirty-and-guilty-old-shit/
They kind of just like to make fun of shitty people in general!
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White Fragility: Why It’s So Hard to Talk to White People About Racism [View all]
Zenlitened
Jul 2015
OP
Well said. Doubtful if those who need to will actually hear your words . . .
Journeyman
Jul 2015
#29
When I--a white woman--was running for City Council, I said the words "white privilege" in a debate
femmedem
Jul 2015
#30
insulting maybe, but most of the time those making the insult have no power to oppress
yurbud
Jul 2015
#177
When you break it down like that, the whole exercise seems kinda cheap and chickenshit.
Throd
Jul 2015
#205
I have only read what is excerpted, clearly nothing there is remotely hostile, so I assume the
randys1
Jul 2015
#110
The funny thing is oppressors don't like to think of themselves as oppressors
951-Riverside
Jul 2015
#2
Who are the oppressors? How do we identify them? By their actions or is the evidence only skin deep?
Nuclear Unicorn
Jul 2015
#87
If racists are deemed to be deemed racist by the color of their skin? Seriously?
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#116
"people in this world who are more interested in stirring up racial animosity" < Mostly white ones.
jtuck004
Jul 2015
#19
Or, maybe you are just incorrect. Since it's a simple fact, and true. It may be
jtuck004
Jul 2015
#35
I say its time is over because I think the country is over. It's too integral to our success,
jtuck004
Jul 2015
#50
Don't you think that our system also allows us to thwart the evil that men do?
LuvLoogie
Jul 2015
#60
I didn't say I would kill it, you did. I said it would kill itself. What comes after is not up
jtuck004
Jul 2015
#206
God I hope the time is over, but not yet. Wait till the vile, filthy, disgusting puke fuck
randys1
Jul 2015
#118
that may be accurate for anyone who focuses on format rather than content in any given discussion.
LanternWaste
Jul 2015
#70
Thank you so much! Getting black people to admit some "reverse racism" means that it absolves
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jul 2015
#166
There are examples on this page of racists desperate to pass on their tradition of hate...
Spitfire of ATJ
Jul 2015
#193
Privileged white people dont believe, as you can see in this thread, that racism is their
randys1
Jul 2015
#112
Some whites act like you're projecting onto them the entire history of racism and get angry....
Spitfire of ATJ
Jul 2015
#17
I wondered where that mindset came from that POC aren't supposed to help you deal with it....
Spitfire of ATJ
Jul 2015
#111
Or enslaved, or refused service in a hotel or restaurant. Or questioned when if you were white
randys1
Jul 2015
#114
So, this title: "Serena Williams Drinks, Bathes In, And Makes Lemonade With White Tears"
betsuni
Jul 2015
#26
And always with the "shush, stop being so childish and immature, let the real grown-ups talk."
betsuni
Jul 2015
#41
Uh-Huh! Look at how these fools talked to me in that other thread. Ridiculously condescending.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jul 2015
#167
There's a reason that Barack Obama is President and the "lemonade with white tears" guy is not.
Nye Bevan
Jul 2015
#44
I don't know about reactions - linking article BY a white person - not my words
JustAnotherGen
Jul 2015
#48
And that's why we don't expect bloggers- like the Rude Pundit - to POTUS standards-
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#82
One group told to suck it up on a message board, the other murdered at will by cops and
randys1
Jul 2015
#122
the OP was 'White Fragility: Why It’s So Hard to Talk to White People About Racism'
HFRN
Jul 2015
#64
okay - so you aren' t familiar with where this OP came from - context is everything
JustAnotherGen
Jul 2015
#69
I'm not going to bother citing the red herrings, rationalizations and false assumptions in your post
HFRN
Jul 2015
#71
And your interaction here is text book illustration of white privilege in America.
randys1
Jul 2015
#124
Generally speaking, people who benefit from the mechanisms of oppression rarely want to admit to it
me b zola
Jul 2015
#65
The Serena Williams OP to which you refer wasn't "talking to" whites, it was "talking at" them.
lumberjack_jeff
Jul 2015
#77
Well I think some people enjoy snark but avoid serious commentary and they actually might learn some
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#91
You could, you know, actually be doing something to help the black community
LittleBlue
Jul 2015
#96
Nice assumption, but it's actually a dodge. Silencing dissent is your answer. Noted.
bettyellen
Jul 2015
#100
You just can't help yourself, can you. You do realize that people here can see right
Guy Whitey Corngood
Jul 2015
#136
Exactly! "White people should be reminded of how privileged they are on a regular basis."
Guy Whitey Corngood
Jul 2015
#145
But there's no such thing..... even if there were. We need to keep it quiet and
Guy Whitey Corngood
Jul 2015
#163
If half or more of so called liberals are still stuck on stupid when it comes to this, or
randys1
Jul 2015
#164
The primal scream in November 2008 when the presidency was seized from the grasp of white males,
Nye Bevan
Jul 2015
#198
If someone tells you that your opinion doesn't matter, before they even hear it, simply
hughee99
Jul 2015
#174
If you want someone to listen to you, telling them to shut up, listen and agree is a bad way to go
hughee99
Jul 2015
#194
What if you aren't thinking about learning about baseball, and someone starts
hughee99
Jul 2015
#199
I keep reading that you can't start a conversation about race with the wrong language
JustAnotherGen
Jul 2015
#207