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In reply to the discussion: Varoufakis: On the Euro Summit’s Statement on Greece: First thoughts [View all]DetlefK
(16,670 posts)24. here are some other lines from that article:
[But] Schäuble was consistent throughout. His view was Im not discussing the programme this was accepted by the previous government and we cant possibly allow an election to change anything. Because we have elections all the time, there are 19 of us, if every time there was an election and something changed, the contracts between us wouldnt mean anything.
So at that point I had to get up and say Well perhaps we should simply not hold elections anymore for indebted countries, and there was no answer. The only interpretation I can give [of their view] is Yes, that would be a good idea, but it would be difficult to do. So you either sign on the dotted line or you are out.
That is not disregard for democracy. That is keeping your word.
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The EU keeping Greece from implementing partial reforms... that's interesting. But it clashes with a german politician complaining last week that Greece hasn't implemented reforms yet that were agreed upon in January. (-> with the old greek government)
Schäuble may have insisted on a comprehensive deal because he didn't trust Greece: Maybe he thought they would abandon the big picture once they had secured a partial way out.
I am german and I have seen Schäuble once during a public speech. He is no man who shows much of emotions. He's from the Southwest of Germany and this region has a culture that is laid-back and fiscally conservative. I think, the portrayal of him being evil is wrong, he's merely pragmatic and analytical. Being in politics for 30+ years does that to you. And he has held several ministerial positions through the years, which means he knows how to get shit done.
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HL: Did you try working together with the governments of other indebted countries?
YV: The answer is no, and the reason is very simple: from the very beginning those particular countries made it abundantly clear that they were the most energetic enemies of our government, from the very beginning. And the reason of course was their greatest nightmare was our success: were we to succeed in negotiating a better deal for Greece, that would of course obliterate them politically, they would have to answer to their own people why they didnt negotiate like we were doing.
Laughable. Pure propaganda.
So at that point I had to get up and say Well perhaps we should simply not hold elections anymore for indebted countries, and there was no answer. The only interpretation I can give [of their view] is Yes, that would be a good idea, but it would be difficult to do. So you either sign on the dotted line or you are out.
That is not disregard for democracy. That is keeping your word.
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The EU keeping Greece from implementing partial reforms... that's interesting. But it clashes with a german politician complaining last week that Greece hasn't implemented reforms yet that were agreed upon in January. (-> with the old greek government)
Schäuble may have insisted on a comprehensive deal because he didn't trust Greece: Maybe he thought they would abandon the big picture once they had secured a partial way out.
I am german and I have seen Schäuble once during a public speech. He is no man who shows much of emotions. He's from the Southwest of Germany and this region has a culture that is laid-back and fiscally conservative. I think, the portrayal of him being evil is wrong, he's merely pragmatic and analytical. Being in politics for 30+ years does that to you. And he has held several ministerial positions through the years, which means he knows how to get shit done.
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HL: Did you try working together with the governments of other indebted countries?
YV: The answer is no, and the reason is very simple: from the very beginning those particular countries made it abundantly clear that they were the most energetic enemies of our government, from the very beginning. And the reason of course was their greatest nightmare was our success: were we to succeed in negotiating a better deal for Greece, that would of course obliterate them politically, they would have to answer to their own people why they didnt negotiate like we were doing.
Laughable. Pure propaganda.
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Varoufakis: On the Euro Summit’s Statement on Greece: First thoughts [View all]
GliderGuider
Jul 2015
OP
An unservicable, unpayable debt that the greek governments intentionally amassed!
DetlefK
Jul 2015
#1
I don't know if I agree with you or not but to put in another context: Are we all guilty because
jwirr
Jul 2015
#26
I hear what you are saying but I fail to see how this does not also discribe us. We had a 2+ wars
jwirr
Jul 2015
#30
Things would have been much better if the troika had offered debt relief...
GliderGuider
Jul 2015
#21
"Syriza does not want a new Greece..." Fighting corruption, tax evasion etc. is a Syriza priority.
Ghost Dog
Jul 2015
#31
And you surrendered a great deal of your sovereignty by being a citizen of a country.
DetlefK
Jul 2015
#12
Let's say, I'm a bloodthirsty dictator ruling a tiny country with an iron fist.
DetlefK
Jul 2015
#13
If you were saying that the people he was ruling over deserved what they were getting
GliderGuider
Jul 2015
#14