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DetlefK

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24. here are some other lines from that article:
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 09:31 AM
Jul 2015
[But] Schäuble was consistent throughout. His view was “I’m not discussing the programme – this was accepted by the previous government and we can’t possibly allow an election to change anything. Because we have elections all the time, there are 19 of us, if every time there was an election and something changed, the contracts between us wouldn’t mean anything.”

So at that point I had to get up and say “Well perhaps we should simply not hold elections anymore for indebted countries”, and there was no answer. The only interpretation I can give [of their view] is “Yes, that would be a good idea, but it would be difficult to do. So you either sign on the dotted line or you are out.”



That is not disregard for democracy. That is keeping your word.

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The EU keeping Greece from implementing partial reforms... that's interesting. But it clashes with a german politician complaining last week that Greece hasn't implemented reforms yet that were agreed upon in January. (-> with the old greek government)

Schäuble may have insisted on a comprehensive deal because he didn't trust Greece: Maybe he thought they would abandon the big picture once they had secured a partial way out.
I am german and I have seen Schäuble once during a public speech. He is no man who shows much of emotions. He's from the Southwest of Germany and this region has a culture that is laid-back and fiscally conservative. I think, the portrayal of him being evil is wrong, he's merely pragmatic and analytical. Being in politics for 30+ years does that to you. And he has held several ministerial positions through the years, which means he knows how to get shit done.

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HL: Did you try working together with the governments of other indebted countries?

YV: The answer is no, and the reason is very simple: from the very beginning those particular countries made it abundantly clear that they were the most energetic enemies of our government, from the very beginning. And the reason of course was their greatest nightmare was our success: were we to succeed in negotiating a better deal for Greece, that would of course obliterate them politically, they would have to answer to their own people why they didn’t negotiate like we were doing.



Laughable. Pure propaganda.

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An unservicable, unpayable debt that the greek governments intentionally amassed! DetlefK Jul 2015 #1
So Greek workers deserve to die? nt GliderGuider Jul 2015 #2
OMG, that hyperbole is sooooooo cute. DetlefK Jul 2015 #6
Who is "Greece" in your view? GliderGuider Jul 2015 #8
And who created this problem in the very first place? DetlefK Jul 2015 #15
I don't know if I agree with you or not but to put in another context: Are we all guilty because jwirr Jul 2015 #26
That depends: Did you at least try to change something for the better? DetlefK Jul 2015 #28
I hear what you are saying but I fail to see how this does not also discribe us. We had a 2+ wars jwirr Jul 2015 #30
And things would have been much worse if they left the Euro. randome Jul 2015 #16
Things would have been much better if the troika had offered debt relief... GliderGuider Jul 2015 #21
And they may. Igel Jul 2015 #25
"Syriza does not want a new Greece..." Fighting corruption, tax evasion etc. is a Syriza priority. Ghost Dog Jul 2015 #31
This poseur omits his own role in this fiasco. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #3
At least he had some skin in the game. Did you? nt GliderGuider Jul 2015 #4
No, never been happier to be on this side geek tragedy Jul 2015 #5
So how much do you actually know about the situation? GliderGuider Jul 2015 #7
Is there a quiz? geek tragedy Jul 2015 #9
And you surrendered a great deal of your sovereignty by being a citizen of a country. DetlefK Jul 2015 #12
Waitwaitwait... DetlefK Jul 2015 #10
No, I'm suggesting that unless you've been in someone else's shoes GliderGuider Jul 2015 #11
Let's say, I'm a bloodthirsty dictator ruling a tiny country with an iron fist. DetlefK Jul 2015 #13
If you were saying that the people he was ruling over deserved what they were getting GliderGuider Jul 2015 #14
I am merely using your very argument to show how ridiculous it is. DetlefK Jul 2015 #18
You're judging the wrong people, in that case. nt GliderGuider Jul 2015 #19
I am judging the guy who fucked up critical negotiations with grandstanding. DetlefK Jul 2015 #22
There were no negotiations. Ever. GliderGuider Jul 2015 #23
here are some other lines from that article: DetlefK Jul 2015 #24
So do you judge the Troika reps? Igel Jul 2015 #27
I have walked in the shoes on both sides of the fence. GliderGuider Jul 2015 #29
I like "demons in human flesh", thanks. Ghost Dog Jul 2015 #32
from his interview with the New Statesman reorg Jul 2015 #17
It was a Troika stitch-up from the word go. nt GliderGuider Jul 2015 #20
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