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Igel

(37,455 posts)
25. And they may.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:41 AM
Jul 2015

Sometimes compassion means taking a hard line. That's the way it is.

Right now Greece gets no sympathy because it's been both abusive, hostile, and deceptive. Now, without anything but a repeat of the words that in the mouths of others usually signifies repentance and a willingness to change, they want to be treated as though they'd been cooperative, friendly, and acted in good faith.

Thing is, to tell a liar he's a liar typically results in great offensive. "How dare you call me a liar?" To tell somebody who's abusive that he's abusive can get you seriously abused. Suddenly the topic isn't the dishonesty and deceit, it's not the abuse, but it's all about the offense taken (if not given). So let's have this guy get his way: Suspend all negotiations for a bail out and funding bank liquidity. Instead, for the next month the only thing they'll do is negotiate, for several hours a week, whether or not offensive is appropriate and, depending on that decision, who should apologize to whom.

Having then resolved the really important issue, they can get back to trivial thinks like bank solvency and whether, when Greece has shown a willingness to actually behave with honor instead of bloviate about its honor, attention can be given to structural reforms that show Greece is acting in good faith, and then serious discussions can be held about debt relief of some form.

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An unservicable, unpayable debt that the greek governments intentionally amassed! DetlefK Jul 2015 #1
So Greek workers deserve to die? nt GliderGuider Jul 2015 #2
OMG, that hyperbole is sooooooo cute. DetlefK Jul 2015 #6
Who is "Greece" in your view? GliderGuider Jul 2015 #8
And who created this problem in the very first place? DetlefK Jul 2015 #15
I don't know if I agree with you or not but to put in another context: Are we all guilty because jwirr Jul 2015 #26
That depends: Did you at least try to change something for the better? DetlefK Jul 2015 #28
I hear what you are saying but I fail to see how this does not also discribe us. We had a 2+ wars jwirr Jul 2015 #30
And things would have been much worse if they left the Euro. randome Jul 2015 #16
Things would have been much better if the troika had offered debt relief... GliderGuider Jul 2015 #21
And they may. Igel Jul 2015 #25
"Syriza does not want a new Greece..." Fighting corruption, tax evasion etc. is a Syriza priority. Ghost Dog Jul 2015 #31
This poseur omits his own role in this fiasco. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #3
At least he had some skin in the game. Did you? nt GliderGuider Jul 2015 #4
No, never been happier to be on this side geek tragedy Jul 2015 #5
So how much do you actually know about the situation? GliderGuider Jul 2015 #7
Is there a quiz? geek tragedy Jul 2015 #9
And you surrendered a great deal of your sovereignty by being a citizen of a country. DetlefK Jul 2015 #12
Waitwaitwait... DetlefK Jul 2015 #10
No, I'm suggesting that unless you've been in someone else's shoes GliderGuider Jul 2015 #11
Let's say, I'm a bloodthirsty dictator ruling a tiny country with an iron fist. DetlefK Jul 2015 #13
If you were saying that the people he was ruling over deserved what they were getting GliderGuider Jul 2015 #14
I am merely using your very argument to show how ridiculous it is. DetlefK Jul 2015 #18
You're judging the wrong people, in that case. nt GliderGuider Jul 2015 #19
I am judging the guy who fucked up critical negotiations with grandstanding. DetlefK Jul 2015 #22
There were no negotiations. Ever. GliderGuider Jul 2015 #23
here are some other lines from that article: DetlefK Jul 2015 #24
So do you judge the Troika reps? Igel Jul 2015 #27
I have walked in the shoes on both sides of the fence. GliderGuider Jul 2015 #29
I like "demons in human flesh", thanks. Ghost Dog Jul 2015 #32
from his interview with the New Statesman reorg Jul 2015 #17
It was a Troika stitch-up from the word go. nt GliderGuider Jul 2015 #20
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