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Igel

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27. So do you judge the Troika reps?

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:49 AM

Jul 2015

Have you walked in their shoes?

Have you lived the life Merkel has, been a politician in Germany, been in negotiations with Greece? Do you come from a former socialist country that was a basketcase, rising to the leader of the country that absorbed the basketcase and spent billions trying to bring it up to speed, restructuring, rebuilding, reinvigorating, and while that area is still not as prosperous as it should be forking over billions of euros to help others?

No? Perhaps they don't count as people then, whatever they look like.

It's a lopsided version of nihilism you have there, one that's very self-serving, denying everybody standing because there is no valid principle that can be invoked for judgment--while invoking the very same right for yourself as you sit in judgment.

Nihilism is really an all-or-nothing sort of game. In for a penny, in for a pound. Or in for a cent, in for a euro.

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Varoufakis: On the Euro Summit’s Statement on Greece: First thoughts [View all] GliderGuider Jul 2015 OP

An unservicable, unpayable debt that the greek governments intentionally amassed! DetlefK Jul 2015 #1

So Greek workers deserve to die? nt GliderGuider Jul 2015 #2

OMG, that hyperbole is sooooooo cute. DetlefK Jul 2015 #6

Who is "Greece" in your view? GliderGuider Jul 2015 #8

And who created this problem in the very first place? DetlefK Jul 2015 #15

I don't know if I agree with you or not but to put in another context: Are we all guilty because jwirr Jul 2015 #26

That depends: Did you at least try to change something for the better? DetlefK Jul 2015 #28

I hear what you are saying but I fail to see how this does not also discribe us. We had a 2+ wars jwirr Jul 2015 #30

And things would have been much worse if they left the Euro. randome Jul 2015 #16

Things would have been much better if the troika had offered debt relief... GliderGuider Jul 2015 #21

And they may. Igel Jul 2015 #25

"Syriza does not want a new Greece..." Fighting corruption, tax evasion etc. is a Syriza priority. Ghost Dog Jul 2015 #31

This poseur omits his own role in this fiasco. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #3

At least he had some skin in the game. Did you? nt GliderGuider Jul 2015 #4

No, never been happier to be on this side geek tragedy Jul 2015 #5

So how much do you actually know about the situation? GliderGuider Jul 2015 #7

Is there a quiz? geek tragedy Jul 2015 #9

And you surrendered a great deal of your sovereignty by being a citizen of a country. DetlefK Jul 2015 #12

Waitwaitwait... DetlefK Jul 2015 #10

No, I'm suggesting that unless you've been in someone else's shoes GliderGuider Jul 2015 #11

Let's say, I'm a bloodthirsty dictator ruling a tiny country with an iron fist. DetlefK Jul 2015 #13

If you were saying that the people he was ruling over deserved what they were getting GliderGuider Jul 2015 #14

I am merely using your very argument to show how ridiculous it is. DetlefK Jul 2015 #18

You're judging the wrong people, in that case. nt GliderGuider Jul 2015 #19

I am judging the guy who fucked up critical negotiations with grandstanding. DetlefK Jul 2015 #22

There were no negotiations. Ever. GliderGuider Jul 2015 #23

here are some other lines from that article: DetlefK Jul 2015 #24

So do you judge the Troika reps? Igel Jul 2015 #27

I have walked in the shoes on both sides of the fence. GliderGuider Jul 2015 #29

I like "demons in human flesh", thanks. Ghost Dog Jul 2015 #32

from his interview with the New Statesman reorg Jul 2015 #17

It was a Troika stitch-up from the word go. nt GliderGuider Jul 2015 #20